Newborn Reaction to Cesium!
I'm a little unsure what to do here: I've been pumping my newborn full of Iodine and Zeolite and nothing seems to be improving! He continues to sleep most of the day and cries regularly which I'm sure is due the strontium in his teeth and the ever present fuel fleas! Help Cromack! Stone! Duff! ANYBODY!!!!! I've monitored him for the last two weeks and he is still showing readings of radiation. Also...he has continued to spit up for almost two weeks straight and I'm pretty confident it is the Cesium in the breast milk. I should mention we live in seattle and have been using the rain water for everything from soups to coffee to mixing his formula! Was this a mistake? I was assured the water would be safe to drink NOW I'M NOT SO SURE????!!!!
Hoax
By now, it is apparent that the OP is a cruel hoax. The 'self-reported' actions of the supposed 'mother' would clearly constitute child abuse if they occured anywhere in the Continental USA.
So, since CPS has not raided the house, confiscated the baby, jailed the mother AND put a hold on the thread; we can probably safely presume that this was a sick joke all along.
An actual parent doing such things would be in more trouble than Jerry Sandusky, formally of Penn State.
The USA Nanny State would not allow it, once any report of such insanity came to their attention. And it should be evident that there has been NO shortage of LEOs monitoring this website.
LMAO What's the matter Rick
LMAO What's the matter Rick "BC-AngusMerlin-Redmercury-VB" Cromack? Can't stand being called out for a liar? How much longer will you be "occupying" the forum? I'm not so sure the Troll-Police are monitoring BRAWM. If they are it's a waste of time and tax payers money. I'm freaking sick of your anti nuke BS. Pick a moniker and stick with it. If you have to reinforce your argument with multiple posts praising your other posts then it's probably a flimsy one...or an outright lie!
A crowd?
It appears to me, that you are grouping lots of separate individuals together under the 'name' ...
Rick "BC-AngusMerlin-Redmercury-VB" Cromack?
What is the source of this strange fixation with RC? If memory serves, he is the owner of a few 'convenience stores' in Texas; and posted regularly for a few months.
I do not recall RC being stridently pro-nuke or anti-nuke. He ran 'hot and cold' on the subject.
Why do you think these other posters, which you listed, are RC? Why would it even matter?
I am not associated with
I am not associated with these people. But you can think what you want obviously. You might take note that I have tried hard to grasp the science and post on such rather than getting all wrapped up in BS and panic. I think there is a threat, and that it is small but still significant, and I have really been trying to grasp how best to mitigate said risk (if that's even possible).
Bottom line, I can't speak for the rest, but I have only posted under this handle and have not seen anyone else use it. And I could certainly never ape the style of the inimatable Mr. Cromack...
I've been following the
I've been following the advice of this forum to the T, but now I'm a little concerned that perhaps I was listening to the wrong advice. I'm confused. People here are telling me that I don't need to administar zeolite or iodine because the levels are low. But now other people are telling me that I can administar these things in small amounts and stay out of the rain? So are the levels too low to worry about this or are they just high enough that I should buy more zeolite (and decrease the dosege) and to get a filter and a umbrella (we alwas enjoyed the rain too!) and should we stop eating salmon?? ( we love salmon!).
The xenon gas was in the
The xenon gas was in the upper atmosphere and you wouldn't have been able to smell it.
The rain does not currently contain Fukushima radiation, it's only natural radon, it's been in the rain your entire life you just didn't know it.
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5481
The radioiodine has all decayed away, there is no need to take iodine tablets.
I am not saying there is no health risk but it's very very small. I am taking a few precautions, but am trying not to overreact. I don't drink the milk because I am breastfeeding and don't want to pass anything on to the baby. I am drinking almond milk for now. I don't import anything from Japan anymore. I am a vegetarian anyway so I have never eaten fish, but I would be avoiding pacific fish if I was a meat eater. I don't eat pacific seaweed products. Aside from that I'm trying to go about life as normal, me being stressed is bad for the baby, it lowers milk production and he can sense it and it makes him cranky. If you worry yourself sick you will be less able to care for him, get off the computer and enjoy a cuddle with him. Do something you enjoy and get your mind off it. I knit to keep busy.
Have you looked up the soil samples here? There has been cesium in the soil since the 50s and we're still here. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2525#topsoilSD
Bandstra has said that cesium 134 and 137 came from Fukushima in roughly equal amounts. So with the cesium 134 in the top 2cm of topsoil so low that means most of the cesium 137 is leftover from the 50s, and it's gone through 1 half life already so in the 50s it was even higher. It's been there all this time and you didn't know, the difference now is that you know. Were you scared before? No, should you be now? No. You can act with some caution, but don't go overboard, overstress or stop living your life.
There are a lot of sites out there spreading fear and panic and a good deal of people on this forum as well. Try not to let them get to you,they are just afraid of the unknown and unseen and don't know how to deal with it.
hominem, absurdum, nauseum & infinitum
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When the strident nuke groups, (Pro & Con) and miscellaneous web trolls run out of lies, half-truths and sarcasm; they resort to logical fallacies.
This OP and most of the thread consist of:
ad nauseum
ad infinitum
ad absurdum
ad hominem
Uneducated people seldom accidentally fall into these fallacies. Such methods are generally the work-product of trained propagandists.
1st of all! I'm not a
1st of all! I'm not a person that works for the nukular industry! I'm a concerned mother! A person that I work with told me about the Fukeshima Crises and this forum and suggested I check this place out for advice about my newborn. He gave me the link to the Reverse osmosis discussion and now I'm unsure of what to think! Berkeley physicians keep telling everybody that they would drink the milk and swim in the ocean and even let they're dogs eat grass (I don't think we have to worry about the gross tho LOL)but there are alot of other posters that tell me these guys are working for the nukular industry and that we should worry. Don't even get me started on stuxnet and zardoz! This is very frightening for me. I haven't slept in two weeks and my baby only sleeps and eats and that's pretty much it! (I'm worried that perhaps xenon gas could have a sleepiness affect and we HAVE noticed a strange smell these last few days and our neighbors even commented on it too). I'm getting ahead of myself. So anyone that can offer advice please do. I'm not sure I can read manny more threads and the technical ones are WAYYYYYYYYYYY over my head! lol. Thanks guys.
All newborns sleep a lot,
All newborns sleep a lot, it's what they do. They wake just to eat and go back to sleep, often they will fall asleep while eating. They are using all their energy to grow. They will often sleep 16-22 hours a day for the first few weeks. If you are concerned about the sleepiness see a doctor, but it's probably normal.
To Terrifyed Momma
You need to carry your baby to a pediatrician. The forum's hosts readily admit that they are not health professionals and therefore any advice they give regarding your baby's health is worthless. See a doctor. They can analyze a blood sample, diagnose what is wrong and recommend treatment...
The forum hosts also deny that they are even part of the nuclear industry. Use this forum as a source of possible information once your baby's health is better. There is a very good ongoing post regarding how to know which food was made before the start of this nuclear catastrophe, see:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3361
Don't worry about the 'ad nauseum' guy. When he runs out of logical data for his argument he resorts to name calling and other forms of insulting the writer. He appears to know nothing and mostly sound like a sock puppet.
Just get your baby to a doctor, a real doctor. The forum's hosts are not 'Berkeley physicians'. Some of them possess Phd's, but they are no more of a physician than is someone with a Phd in basketweaving.
See an MD right away. I hope your baby gets well soon.
Hi Terryified Mom, I've been
Hi Terryified Mom,
I've been in your shoes. After my second child was born, I didn't know what was going on with me. There were circumstances at the time that got me highly anxious, and I did not experience the textbook version of postpartum depression. You may be experiencing what I had - postpartum anxiety. I, too, had everyone in my family worrying about me, and some even sent me to a few psychiatrists, one who was working at a mental hospital and wanted to prescribe me highly psychotropic drugs. My insurance company only wanted to make sure that I was not going to hurt my baby (obviously, that is what I was anxious about - not wanting my baby hurt or harmed in anyway), and kept insisting that I stop breastfeeding and get prescribed medication for my postpartum. I was pressured by EVERYONE to stop breastfeeding, since postpartum depression/ anxiety is exacerbated by the hormones going through your body while your body is producing milk and breastfeeding.
I was finally able to get help from a friend and therapist, who believed in the health of my baby, wanted to support me in me wanting to breastfeed my baby, and who also supported my need to find a healthy way to feel better. The way out of the postpartum for me was to make sure that I got the sleep that I needed. I found that the less sleep I got, the more anxious I got. Turn off the computer. You can read and do research when you feel better. Use your mind to work your way out of the anxiety and fear. Listen to BC and others who have done the research for the rest of us, and who in fact, keep me sane, as well as informed. Do not feed yourself or your baby anything that you normally would not eat (ie., boron, iodine, zeolite, etc.). Try to eat as healthy as you can. Do not drink or eat any products containing caffeine. I find that caffeine would heighten my anxiety - and studies also support this.
The best thing you can do for yourself and your baby right now, is to sleep whenever your baby sleeps, have people around who can can feed you good, healthy food, and use your mind to reason your way out of the anxiety. I am posting my email address for you, if you need someone to connect with.
God Bless,
T.O. Mom
lvnpc64@yahoo.com
BC=Cromack=Fear Monger!
BC=Cromack=Fear Monger! Terrified Momma: Beware 99% of the posters on here are usually the same guy pushing nuclear fears.
Don't drink rainwater.
Don't drink rainwater. Drink reverse osmosis water. Take boron yourself. 10 mg/day. Boron is what some smart people give their affected cows so that the milk is safe to drink.
The only iodine that would be somewhat safe for babies would be magnescent iodine, but even then I'd be leary of it, although you could take it yourself. However, iodine only helps mitigate radioactive iodine (131, etc). It won't do anything for cesium. There seems to be more fissioning going on again, but I don't know if any iodine 131 will make it's way across again without explosions.
Don't listen to people who don't know any better. Zeolite is perfectly safe for babies, if given in small quantities, but I'd stay away from FORMULA. Nasty stuff. Zeolite was given to babies, children, etc, after Chernobyl. However, if you are nursing exclusively and eating healthfully and taking zeolite and boron yourself to keep your body toxin free, then your milk should be fine for your baby.
I'm staying out of rain again since reading about the new fission scare. Use an umbrella if you go out by yourself and keep you little one out of the rain. It's a sadness. I used to live in Oregon and I loved the rain. It made everything so clean. Now I dread rain, because it most likely is bringing nasties with it.
Mostly, if this OP is not playing some sick joke (which it sounds like it is), then I'd say, relax. Babies get colic. Sounds like that's what is going on. Babies get colic much easier from nervous moms, whether breastfed or bottle fed. So do try to enjoy your baby. They grow so fast and you dont' want to taint these few precious months with fear.
We thought we were saving
We thought we were saving money by gathering mother natures gift! how wrong we were! It's sad. We had no idea that the rain could be poisonus. Also could anyone perhaps direct me to where I could find zeolite and iodine that is safe 4 newborns. I'm running out of the supply my co-worker gave me.
Agenda
Oh my gosh, this whole thread is the nuclear industry talking to itself trying to make average concerned citizens look like loons. Boy, you guys are desparate.
Yes yes, whoever doesn't
Yes yes, whoever doesn't agree with you works in the nuclear industry. I hope I'm getting a pay raise....In these hard economic times it's good to know I can get a job just by disagreeing with you.
Did you find your shill-job
Did you find your shill-job on craigslist? (I did...it's the only way to find em these days, my monster account hasn't gotten a response in almost three weeks)
These posts all read like
These posts all read like legal disclaimers. They pop up in rapid succession as if posted by the same person one after the other whenever someone mentions infants and iodine or zeolite.
I hope this is a
I hope this is a joke....
BUT in case it isn't DO NOT GIVE YOUR NEWBORN IODINE OR ZEOLITE! They are not approved for babies except in dire emergencies and only under the guidance of a doctor. They are also not approved for breastfeeding mothers.
I am a mother and a birth worker so I hope that what I am about to tell you will help. All newborns sleep a lot, when my baby was born I had to wake him up to eat and tickle his feet or gently blow air on his face to keep him awake long enough to eat. This last for the first month, then he started to stay awake a little longer each day. This is NORMAL.
You say you breastfeed and yet you mixed formula? Cow's milk intolerance is the #1 cause of puke. Build up your milk supply with fenugreek and oatmeal and cut out the formula (which contains milk) and only breastfeed. If he continues to puke try cutting out dairy from YOUR diet as the cow's milk protien can travel into the breastmilk. Milk intolerance also leads to screaming/crying as they get upset tummies.
For breastfeeding help and advice go to http://www.kellymom.com/
You could also find a local lactation consultant or find a Le Leche League support group.
No strontium has been detected in the USA from Fukushima as far as I know.
The cesium amounts detected are low (much lower than what our parents/grandparents were exposed to during the nuclear testing era and we are still here), if you breastfeed exclusively you will act as a filter for cesium before it reaches your baby. The highest source seems to be cow's milk, switching to almond, soy or rice milk for the time being may make you feel more secure.
You are over reacting. There is a lot of bad information out there and many scary websites that twist facts and spread fear. They remind me of the people that seriously prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse...Yes there is a health risk, but those sites are blowing it way out of proportion.
If you are concerned about rainwater then maybe you should get a water cooler and buy jugs of reverse osmosis water which is what I do for under $6 a week. The threat from tap water seems to have passed though.
Your baby from what you have described is acting like a normal newborn and you are doing far more harm than good by giving him anything for such a low dose of radiation. The best thing you can do for your baby is relax, read posts made by the BRAWM team here (there is a sticky at the top of the forum). Some of their posts could help you put things in perspective. Keep on breastfeeding! Breastfeeding builds up the baby's immune system and through exclusive (no formula) feeding even if he ingests some radioactivity he will likely be better able to get rid of it.
*exclusive breastfeeding*
*exclusive breastfeeding* that should say in the last line.
and yes, as another poster mentioned the infant death rise was debunked, there was no increase, just bad interpretation of data.
Oh and I meant you could
Oh and I meant you could switch to almond/soy/rice milk to reduce levels in your breastmilk. Babies' stomachs are not designed to digest them that young, don't give them to your baby.
Oh yeah one more thing. The
Oh yeah one more thing. The radiation increase during rainfall is radon, it's natural and has always occurred, but until Fukushima people weren't testing all the time to notice. You can stop worrying about it. (you can confirm this by reading Bandstra's many posts on the subject.
Please, don't make jokes
Please, don't make jokes with this.
Poisoning
:(
Not funny
This appears to be a sick joke, or in the alternate, mental illness or child abuse. The OP is clearly sick, in some sense of that word.
Not funny at all
Pot: meet Kettle
Pot: meet Kettle
I hope you are not serious.
I hope you are not serious. But in case you are:
1) Do not give your kid Iodine. Jesus Christ Almighty, that is nuts. DO NOT DO THIS.
2) Do not give your kid zeolite. See comments, line one.
3) Get a reverse osmosis water filter and use it. Maybe that will make you feel better. Even if this is just a psychological issue.
4) If you think the kid is ill take him to the doctor.
In all seriousness, it would take levels of radiation orders of magnitude higher than what BRAWM has seen to produce any type of radiation illness effect, and I assume that this post is meant to stir up some hornets.
I took my kid to the doctor
I took my kid to the doctor and they threatened to call social services and suggested I might need psychological counseling for my irrational fear of Fukushima fallout! I showed her the information posted regarding infant deaths in the northwest and the threads regarding fuel fleas and she refused to do anything for us! My family refuses to talk to me anymore. My husband has threatened to leave due to the fact that I am unable to leave the home when it is raining and I have been increasingly unable to drink water. I'm at the end of my rope! She is insisting we visit a psychologist but frankly I'm worried that when I do he will have me locked up. I don't UNDERSTAND???!!!! I've showed them ALL the facts but every medical professional I've talked to has told me OUTRIGHT that I'm being PARANOID and taking the NUMBERS AND FACTS OUT OF CONTEXT. Seriously considering moving to whichever area in the US that shows the consistently lowest readings and fewest nuclear reactors or reprocessing facilities without telling the father. It seems like no matter where I look there IS RADIATION EVERYWHERE!!! HELP!!!
Some more free advice. 1)
Some more free advice.
1) Stay off of enenews and esp enviroreporter and any other scaremonger BS.
2) You ARE taking the numbers out of context.
3) I do think that you should see a psychologist.
4) There is radiation everywhere. This is not new, you just didn't realize it before. Yes, there is more now, but not a huge amount more.
5) The "infants death in the PNW" thing has been debunked. You have a better chance of hurting your kid with zeolite and iodine than he could possible face from FK fallout. Do you understand that there is no longer any FK I-131 in the US? That it is GONE and that giving your child iodine could be very bad for it?
I do not take any of this lightly. When I first became concerned about this thing, it took my sanity to the edge of complete breakdown. But thank goodness I have a level of science aptitude and was able to make some sense out of things, to get some perspective. BRAWM and many of the posters here were very helpful in this regard.
I'm with you there. I was
I'm with you there. I was tormented by all this until I found this forum and physicsforums.com and I am grateful for the information provided by BRAWM. I appreciate the discussions you have brought to the forum as well, your posts are often educational and reassuring :)
This website is loaded with
This website is loaded with MORE scaremongering and lies than ENENEWS and Enviroreporter combined.
How much do you get paid to
How much do you get paid to live here?