Questions about Be-7
[I am posting this on request from Seattle Mom after the message got stuck in our filters. Still working on why that would be happening. -Mark]
Hello Mark and all the dedicated BRAWM Team members,
Thank you again for your efforts in testing for fallout from Fukushima. I know there are a lot of appreciative people following this forum, even if they don't verbally express their appreciation. :-)
I have been learning a lot reading your (and others') postings here about radiation detection from Fukushima fallout, as well as reading whatever I can on the subject online. Because I am a mother and wish to protect my family from such health risks as much as possible, I am trying to become as informed on the subject as possible.
From what I am learning, testing for radioactivity is indeed quite difficult work, isolating isotopes, calculating for errors, preventing contamination of the samples and testing equipment, issues of decay, etc, etc. So I have a new-found appreciation for the efforts you are making. It must been challenging, but highly fascinating work, as it seems there is always something new to learn, no?
And who knows? Perhaps what you are learning today and teaching others through this forum will someday be of service to alleviating the suffering, psychological and physical, of the poor victims of Fukushima in the future?
Of course, the more one learns about a subject, the more questions one has. So, please bear with me, as I hope you'll be able to help answer some questions I have about the Be7 (radioberyllium) which you have been finding in your testing.
I know that Be7 has a half life of 53 or 54 days (which in comparison to some of the other hundred/thousand/million year half-life radioisotopes found in nuclear fallout doesn't seem like such a "big deal"), but please hear me out, as I think we might do ourselves a disservice to just ignore its presence and only concentrate on the presence of the others.
The reason I am interested in learning more about the presence of Be7 from your test findings stems from my learning that, like Strontium-90, it also concentrates in the bones. Accordingly, since any exposure to radioactivity, no matter how small, (i.e. even the 540 days of a 54 day half-life), does have potential health risks, I want learn how to limit my family's exposure to it.
I noticed that you have tested for its presence in the following samples:
1. Topsoil (from both Berkeley and San Diego
2. Grass (from Berkeley)
3. Hay/Alfalfa mix (from samples from July 15 from Nevada)- which at 41.7±4.2, had one of the highest levels of Be7 found to date in any test samples - somewhat disturbing...
4. Mushrooms (from Berkeley)
5. Rainwater
6. Air
Is there a reason it is not being tested for in the other food samples? Just curious to know if this is because it isn't detectable, or if your group's instruments are not set up to test for it in food? Or if you decided to just concentrate on the longer-lived isotopes, given limited resources, etc.?
I also noticed that your footnotes in your Food Chain testing state that Be7 is naturally occurring due to "its being produced by cosmic rays interacting with the atmosphere."
However, I learned in reading a study by Indian scientists of Be7 in rainwater, done way back in 1957, entitled: "Annual Deposition of Cosmic Ray produced Be7 at Equatorial Latitudes" (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1958.tb01990.x/pdf) that Be7 in fact could also be produced in nuclear explosions.
The scientists stated: "The possibility of Be7 being produced in nuclear explosions cannot be ruled out."
The study goes on to point out the challenges and extensive efforts undertaken to isolate naturally occurring Be7 from possible particles from nuclear fallout from previous nuclear weapons detonations or Cold War above-ground nuclear weapons testing. (It is interesting to note that these scientists believed that cosmic Be7 would not be found in dust particles, but only in solution, and conversely, they believed fallout containing Be7 if any should only be found in the dust particles. But you probably already knew this?)
They detail some of the steps they took to isolate any fallout Be7 from the rainwater by filtering it first. Interesting stuff...you can read more about this in the above referenced link to the study.
Anyway, is this the kind of thing you are doing in your testing too? I.e. trying to isolate naturally cosmic Be7 vs. man-made due to nuclear fallout? It would be interesting to compare what procedures they undertook in their research over 50 years ago to yours. I'm sure the instrumentation and procedures have improved quite a bit since then... :-)
Regarding the actual test results for Be7 you have been getting, I seem to see a correlation between a spike in ALL levels of radioisotopes around April 19 or 20, including spikes in Be7 in several test samples (including air, rainwater) at the same time.
As such, it is hard to believe these spikes were a coincidence, and that the Be7 only spiked on the 19th and 20th due to a coincidental extra cosmic activity at the same time we had increased fallout from Fukushima...(Keep in mind I also appreciate the fact that it is impossible for BRAWM to test for all the numerous other radioisotopes typically found in nuclear fallout, so this spike in Be7 and cesium, etc., most likely represents only the tip of the nuclear fallout iceberg we received during that time, and which due to long half-lives, would likely be in our environment still, even if not being tested or showing up in the handful of samples tested by BRAWM.)
Looking at some specific examples of the BRAWM test results:
It was disturbing to see one of the highest results for Be7 so far in your most recent testing sample, the first and only one you have done so far for Hay/Alfalfa mix from Nevada.
41.7±4.2
[MDA=5.1]
(3.5e+04)
Why do you think this is such a high number for Be7, so much higher than most of the other samples? Is this higher number due to volume of the sample size? Did we have some sudden cosmic activity that caused this? Or could this Be7 in the hay/alfalfa be instead from Fukushima? (with a 53 or 54 day half life, the only way such high measurable levels from Fukushima would be detectible would be that our exposure to fallout is ongoing, yes?
Or could this be from the ongoing "planned" releases of "acceptable levels" of radioactive steam from nuclear power plants in Nevada near where the hay and alfalfa was harvested?
Speaking as a mother, if these recent levels are due to man-made causes, any way you look at it, I find such levels unacceptable, since the cows eating this hay are being contaminated, which means our milk and meat are being contaminated. :-(
Even if this is considered "low" or an "acceptable level" by the EPA/FDA/etc., the point is that this and the other radioisotopes will bio-accumulate, that is, build up over time in the food chain and our ongoing exposure to our bodies, even at "acceptable levels" cannot ultimately be a good thing.
I'd prefer not being exposed to any radiation in my food, water and environment, especially the extra gift that keeps on giving of unnecessary man-made radiation, thank you. ;-P
Looking at the grass sample results:
The first grass sample tested back on April 6 showed a result for Be7 as:
14.74±1.47
[MDA=2.23]
(1.0e+05)
The lowest detection was on May 18:
3.59±0.36
[MDA=0.56]
(4.1e+05)
The most recent detection was a bit higher, on June 3:
6.79±0.68
[MDA=0.76]
(2.2e+05)
So, the levels were higher in April, when most of the highest fallout from Fukushima occurred. If in fact, the Be7 was only from naturally occurring cosmic sources, then why did the levels drop off over time in correlation with the drop in levels of fallout from Fukushima?
(The exception would be this new hay sample, which, because we do not have any previous test results to work from, it is hard to say if this current test sample's level is "normal," for hay from Nevada, or "high" or "low"...Unless someone else like the EPA already tests for this on a regular basis and would have those numbers available for us to review?)
Anyway, wouldn't the levels of Be7 found in the other test samples, if naturally occurring, be pretty consistent over time, with some possible fluctuations due to cosmic activity?
But for your other samples, the spikes in Be7 all seemed to occur around April 19 or 20th when the Fukushima fallout also spiked...then the levels from all (including Be7) mostly drop off from there.
Rainwater samples:
In looking at your rainwater samples, the Be7 levels spiked about the same time as they did in other samples, on April 19:
4.14±0.70
[MDA=2.57]
(3.9e+05)
Then, slowly decreasing to an almost Non-detect by June 28:
0.085±0.009
[MDA=0.024]
(1.9e+07)
In the air, Be7 spiked on April 18:
6.6e-07
[MDA=7.0e-08]
(1.7e+05)
(Though it has had higher levels on 5/6:
7.5e-07
[MDA=1.7e-08]
(1.5e+05)
and May 15:
8.1e-07
[MDA=8.4e-09]
(1.4e+05)
and on the most recent test date of 6/24:
8.4e-07
[MDA=7.7e-09]
(1.3e+05)
Any ideas on why it was still high on June 24? Could this be because the reactors are still spewing radiation into the air and it is somehow making its way over here on the Jet Stream (even if in lower levels than after the explosions)?
My other questions are:
1. How does your testing methodology and instrumentation help you know this Be7 is naturally occurring, (i.e. strictly from cosmic rays), rather than from Fukushima fallout, or from a combination of the two?
2. What was the average range that Be7 is typically found in our air, top soil, rainwater, grass, hay from Nevada, etc. on any given day PRIOR to Fukushima's explosions?
In other words, why was the April 6 detection of Be7 in your topsoil sample (14.74±1.47) and the April 3 grass sample (68.3±6.8) so much higher than the June 3 {6.79±0.68 and 5.6±0.6, respectively) detections, if in fact the April 6 was NOT due (at least in part) to fallout from Fukushima? If it was only naturally occurring, cosmic BE7 in your samples, shouldn't the levels in June be similar to April's detection?
Otherwise, to see the levels drop off just like the levels of cesium, etc. did, would make one tempted to conclude that the Be7, too, is from the Fukushima fallout, (i.e. the fallout coming to the U.S. has lessened since the major explosions in March, so whatever is left of Be7 from the fallout will naturally decrease due to the 54 day half-life).
Any explanations for the curious lay folk like me? ;-)
Regarding the potential health effects of Be7 exposure:
I read another interesting study (ca. 1947) about the metabolism of Be7 in rats ( http://www.jbc.org/content/177/2/975.full.pdf) which showed that Be7 tended to accumulate in the bones (much like we've been reading about Strontium-90: http://leakspinner.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/high-levels-of-radioactive-s...). It also had a toxic effect on the liver, kidneys and bones in high enough amounts.
Although the half-life of Be7 is much shorter than Strontium-90, I would imagine that any radioactive substance sitting in ones bones or internal organs like the liver and kidneys, or in the blood, for any length of time would not be a good thing.
So, I wonder we really should be writing off Be7 as not being of concern (as well as continue to assume it is entirely occurring from natural, cosmic sources)?
The more I learn about the immense (not to mention costly $$$) challenges of testing for radioactivity in our environment, I am starting to equate the challenges of not being able to detect EVERY radioisotope in fallout from Fukushima here in the U.S. (due to having only limited ability, time, resources, etc.) to the EPA's inability to test for the presence of a majority of the potentially toxic chemicals and substances used in industry today. :-(
So, this begs the question: Even if we knew about 100% of the radioactivity we were being exposed to in our daily lives, either by fallout in our environment and food and water, or say, by the practice of using recycled radioactive waste in metals used in consumer products (I suggest a Google search to learn more about this highly disturbing practice), is there anything we can do, either individually or as a group to help limit or ameliorate the effects of this exposure?
And if we cannot fully even understand or prevent the harmful effects of radiation to humans and animals and the environment, or know how to even deal with the long-term waste storage problem or even afford it, should any person or nation, on this planet really be legally allowed to play with such deadly fire, so to speak?
I think this issue is ultimately a moral and ethical one, as Einstein concluded long ago. Just because we have the brains to tinker with Nature at a sub atomic level, doesn't mean we should have the right to do so, if the consequences of mistakes, accidents, and long-term waste issues, are so deadly to humans and all life on our planet.
Ok, you may not be able to answer that last question, but your reply to the others regarding Be7 and your testing procedures would be greatly appreciated. :-)
Thanks again!
Seattle Mom


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I just wanted to common on
I just wanted to common on the likelihood of Be-7 being from Fukushima:
First of all, Be-7 is extremely unlikely to be made in a nuclear power plant. You'll note in the paper you read that they specifically mention thermo-nuclear explosions: that's referring to fusion, or hydrogen bombs. These types of reactions don't occur in a power plant, which is a fission reactor (note than in thermonuclear weapons, there is both fission and fusion, which is why we can monitor their testing).
Secondly, the authors of that paper concluded that they didn't see any non-natural Be-7, for three good reasons. In particular, their first reason is one that we can corroborate very well: they did not see comparable levels of fission products. This is why I can confidently say to your first question that the reactors were not releasing huge amounts of radiation in June. If they were, we would see comparably high levels of everything else.
As for why the amounts of Be-7 are not constant, there are two important factors. The biggest is the rainfall; as it rains for long times, it washes the isotopes, both fallout and natural, from the air, so the concentrations will decrease as the rain continues. Secondly, there is variation due to solar weather, which determines how much cosmic radiation we're receiving.
Hope that helps,
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Thanks for clarifying and another question
Thanks for your reply, Tim. Sorry if I confused things by trying to compare the current situation in Fukushima with an old study that may not be an apples to apples comparision. I was just trying to understand what the presence of Be-7 in your test samples would mean for the rest of us. :)
However, your reply was indeed helpful to me, especially the part about thermo-nuclear (fusion) vs. power plant (fission) nuclear.
Up until now, I had been wondering what all the controversy seemed to be surrounding the question of what type of explosion happened at Unit 3 at Fukushima.
As you state, thermo-nuclear reactions don't typically happen at nuclear power plants (at least, those that are functioning properly.)
However, in listening to nuclear expert Arne Gunderson at Fairewinds.com (and others like Chris Busby and a member of the Japanese Lower House of Representatives), I discovered that all three believe the explosion in reactor 3 at Fukushima was in fact a nuclear explosion (as Gundersen calls it, a "detonation" vs. the "deflagration" that happened in unit 1.)
Gundersen's video from April 26 further describes his reasoning as to the evidence as to why he thinks a nuclear explosion (fission) did indeed happen. (I found an article about this subject, which also contains the embedded April 26 Gundersen Fairewinds.com video here: http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/25/professor-christopher-busby-hydrogen-e...)
I know this is an old video. Has there been any additional, reliable information made available to prove one way or another this theory since this April 26 video?
As Gundersen states in the video, there are ways of testing for the presence of Xenon and accompanying isotope ratios to help determine if a nuclear explosion occurred, and if our respective government agencies would allow for complete transparency and availability of such data, the answer would reveal itself.
Do you know if this data has been released yet? If so, where can we find it?
Concerning the presence of the Be-7 in your samples, if it was in fact released during a nuclear explosion at Unit 3, it would indeed spike and taper off as did the presence of other radioisotopes from Fukushima like cesium, etc., which it seemed to do in most of your test samples.
I could see one possibility explaining its presence as being that some of the Be-7 found during the spikes could have been from a nuclear explosion at Unit 3, if that indeed did happen, and perhaps the more recent test results, for the hay, for example, could be from the naturally occuring Be-7...
But does your current testing methodology try to distinguish between both types of Be-7?
Or, perhaps, as some also believe, there actually is ongoing, intermittent criticality (i.e. fissioning) in the spent fuel pools (esp. Unit 4?) which in turn, would create the presence of newly produced nuclear fission isotopes, including possibly Be-7, which in turn, would be released into the air, since the containments have been breached and radiation is indeed still being released at Fukushima...
It would be interesting to know if in fact the above mentioned data proving the ratio of Xenon to isotopes has been released...
One way or another, I suppose we will eventually find out. If this information still hasn't been released, then, in the meantime, I guess we'll just have to wait. Not sure what the consequences of such a delay would mean for the Japanese or for those of us living on the West Coast, however...?
Again, thank you for your input.
Actually, a fusion reaction
Actually, a fusion reaction can never occur in a nuclear power plant. This type of reaction takes place only in weapons and experimental physics. A commercial reactor simply doesn't have the required materials, power, or physics to make a fusion event.
Now, there are people who say that there was a nuclear explosion or ongoing criticality. These are still both fission events, not fusion. Even if absolutely everything went wrong, there is no way that Fukushima could be releasing Be-7. I hope that relieves any fears!
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Relieving our nuclear fears...
Thanks, Tim.
I'm learning more about nuclear fission and fusion that I ever cared to, thanks to Fukushima. :-P
But ultimately, I think my self-education on the subject is a good thing, as I believe if more of us citizens of the world had taken the time to self-educate themselves about the real risks of nuclear power in decades gone by, we might have not found ourselves in the position we are now in, thanks to Fukushima. (And thanks to the Internet, we can no longer be kept in the dark about the truth so that any one person, or entity, can further their vested interests...)
Looks like I need to do more reading on the differences of fusion vs. fission, etc. But as far as relieving fears, as a mother, I guess the only thing that would ultimately relieve my fears for my family and the future of the planet would be an end to the world's nuclear power plants and all nuclear weapons (whether they be "spent" Uranium or not).
In the meantime, I think I can speak for most of us here in this forum when I say that we are keeping the Japanese people in our thoughts and prayers. I believe we are indeed our brothers' - and sisters'- keepers.