Current EPA RadNet Query findings for Los Angeles, California: 7/28/2011 - 8/4/2011

Current Gross Beta Radiation EPA Query findings for Los Angeles, Calif:

Re CPM Gross Beta EPA monitor readings for dates of 7/28/211 - 8/4/2011,
I collected 10 minute segments of reported EPA Gross Beta findings for
Los Angeles, California. Results are as follows:

EPA RadNet Query Interface data for Los Angeles, California:
7/28/2011 - 8/4/2011

Measurement End Date/Time
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM)
[Most were 10 minute period segments]
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EPA RadNet Query findings for Los Angeles, California: 7/28/2011 - 8/4/2011

2011-07-28 17:00:26
48.0000
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2011-07-28 18:00:40
62.0000
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2011-07-28 19:00:54
116.0000
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2011-07-28 20:01:08
233.0000
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2011-07-28 21:01:22
198.0000
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2011-07-28 22:01:37
190.0000
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2011-07-28 23:01:51
163.0000
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2011-07-29 00:02:05
146.0000
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2011-07-29 01:02:19
131.000
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2011-07-29 02:02:33
82.0000

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2011-07-29 14:05:20
73.0000
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2011-07-29 19:06:29
67.0000
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2011-07-29 20:06:43
90.0000
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2011-07-29 21:06:56
160.0000
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2011-07-29 22:07:11
146.0000
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2011-07-29 23:07:24
137.0000
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2011-07-30 00:07:38
131.0000
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2011-07-30 01:07:52
98.0000
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2011-07-30 02:08:07
46.0000
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2011-07-30 03:08:20
37.0000

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2011-07-30 09:09:44
224.0000
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2011-07-30 10:09:57
130.0000
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2011-07-30 13:10:39
43.0000
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2011-07-30 14:10:53
49.0000
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2011-07-30 15:11:07
51.0000
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2011-07-30 16:11:20
64.0000
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2011-07-30 17:11:35
64.0000
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2011-07-30 18:11:49
77.0000
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2011-07-30 19:12:03
123.0000
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2011-07-30 20:12:17
142.0000
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2011-07-30 21:12:31
164.0000
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2011-07-30 22:12:45
143.0000
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2011-07-30 23:12:59
126.0000
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2011-07-31 00:13:13
105.0000
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2011-07-31 01:13:26
87.0000
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2011-07-31 02:13:41
79.0000
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2011-07-31 03:13:54
58.0000
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2011-07-31 04:14:08
51.0000
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2011-07-31 05:14:22
45.0000
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2011-07-31 06:14:36
40.0000

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2011-07-31 18:17:23
83.0000
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2011-07-31 19:17:37
126.0000
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2011-07-31 20:17:51
174.0000
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2011-07-31 21:18:05
251.0000
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2011-07-31 22:18:19
233.0000
------------
2011-07-31 23:18:33
189.0000
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2011-08-01 00:18:46
138.0000
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2011-08-01 01:19:01
118.0000
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2011-08-01 02:19:15
95.0000
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2011-08-01 03:19:28
54.0000
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2011-08-01 12:21:34
52.0000
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2011-08-01 13:21:48
58.0000
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2011-08-01 13:59:46
62.0000
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2011-08-01 15:14:33
48.0000
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2011-08-01 16:14:47
93.0000
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2011-08-01 17:15:01
117.0000
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2011-08-01 18:15:15
117.0000
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2011-08-01 19:15:29
113.0000
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2011-08-01 20:15:43
118.0000
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2011-08-01 21:15:57
103.0000

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2011-08-01 22:16:11
103.0000
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2011-08-01 23:16:25
101.0000
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2011-08-02 00:16:38
81.0000
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2011-08-02 01:16:52
78.0000
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2011-08-02 02:17:06
74.0000
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1-08-02 03:17:20
54.0000
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2011-08-02 04:17:34
49.0000
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2011-08-02 05:17:48
46.0000
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2011-08-02 06:18:02
42.0000
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2011-08-02 07:18:15
44.0000
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2011-08-02 09:17:43
49.0000
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2011-08-02 10:17:57
54.0000
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2011-08-02 11:18:11
58.0000
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2011-08-02 12:18:25
60.0000
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2011-08-02 13:18:39
67.0000
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2011-08-02 14:18:53
82.0000
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2011-08-02 15:19:07
103.0000
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2011-08-02 16:19:21
128.0000
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2011-08-02 17:19:35
140.0000
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2011-08-02 18:19:48
154.0000

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2011-08-02 19:20:02
142.0000
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2011-08-02 20:20:16
118.0000
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2011-08-02 21:20:30
103.0000
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2011-08-02 22:20:44
116.0000
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2011-08-02 23:20:58
125.0000
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2011-08-03 00:21:12
126.0000
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2011-08-03 01:21:26
104.0000
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2011-08-03 02:21:40
94.0000
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2011-08-03 03:21:54
70.0000
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2011-08-03 04:22:07

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2011-08-03 11:23:44
57.0000
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2011-08-03 12:23:57
67.0000
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2011-08-03 13:24:11
70.0000
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2011-08-03 14:24:24
82.0000
------------
2011-08-03 15:24:39
86.0000
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2011-08-03 16:24:53
106.0000
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2011-08-03 17:25:07
106.0000
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2011-08-03 18:25:21
127.0000
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2011-08-03 19:25:34
152.0000
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2011-08-03 20:25:48
143.0000
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2011-08-03 21:26:02
121.0000
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2011-08-03 22:26:16
119.0000
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2011-08-03 23:26:30
103.0000
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2011-08-04 00:26:44
88.0000
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2011-08-04 01:26:58
81.0000
------------
2011-08-04 02:27:12
76.0000
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2011-08-04 03:27:26
62.0000
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2011-08-04 04:27:39
55.0000
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2011-08-04 05:27:54
54.0000

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2011-08-04 06:28:08
49.0000
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2011-08-04 07:28:22
47.0000
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2011-08-04 08:28:35
44.0000
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2011-08-04 09:28:49
43.0000
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2011-08-04 10:29:03
48.0000
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2011-08-04 11:29:17
59.0000
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2011-08-04 12:29:31
68.0000
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2011-08-04 13:29:45
72.0000
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2011-08-04 14:29:59
87.0000
------------
2011-08-04 15:30:13
84.0000
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2011-08-04 16:30:27
99.0000
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2011-08-04 17:30:41
112.0000
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2011-08-04 18:30:55
120.0000
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2011-08-04 19:31:09
136.0000
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2011-08-04 20:31:23
119.0000
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2011-08-04 21:31:37
109.0000
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2011-08-04 22:31:50
105.0000
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2011-08-04 23:32:05
98.0000

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Note: Zero Values for "Beta CPM", "Gamma CPM", "Flow Rate", "Sampling Volume" or "Ambient Pressure" indicate data not available.Combined "Wind Speed" and "Wind Direction" of '0' and '359' indicate data not available.
Graphical Plots for the Past 7 Days
Fixed Monitor Location
CA: LOS ANGELES
Fixed Monitor Data Category
Gross BetaGamma Energy Range

Scale
Normal Logarithmic
Note: Vertical axis of logarithmic plot may not have numeric labels if data range is not large. Negative values will not work with logarithmic plots.
Graph Type

RadNet Data
Monitoring Radiological Incidents

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https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/monitorView.do

Trying to check beta EPA

Trying to check beta EPA RadNet results for Los Angeles, Nebraska, and Virginia EPA RadNet monitoring stations. EPA website now is posting that a system error has occurred. To please try back later. Interesting.

2 questions for Mark

1. Since all 5 of Florida's EPA RadNet Beta gross cpm graphs have been empty for several weeks, can you please analyze the Gamma gross graphs and see if there is any thing of concern/any detection of raised radioisotopes, etc.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nu...

___________________________________________________________________

2. Is it Range 6 or Range 5 for cesium? In a response below you mentioned Range 6 was for cesium, (but another thread with an EPA response said cesium-137 was Range 5)

[http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3667

“Radioactive material from Japan could be seen in various energy ranges, depending on the specific radionuclide. Iodine-131 and cesium-137 would primarily be seen in ranges 3 and 5, respectively, along with other naturally occurring radioactive materials.”]

Thank you.

2 Answers

(1) I see nothing of concern. In fact, the RadNet instruments are not very sensitive compared with other systems (especially US Dept. of Defense assets and the CTBTO system). RadNet's detection limits are much higher than the CTBTO testing station in Melbourne, FL. Nothing would be visible by RadNet unless the levels are high at these other stations as well, and throughout this entire crisis levels have not been high enough for RadNet to detect anything.

(2) It was Range 5, as you found. I had forgotten that the bins are irregular in width. Bin 5 covers the 600–800 keV range, which is where most of the strong Cs-134 and Cs-137 lines lie.

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

*OP Correction to above statement:

1. Most of the CPM blocks that I presented from the EPA RadNet Query were 10 hour blocks of time; not the "10 minute period segments" that I originally said in thread opening statement above. Sorry for the error.

2. It also should be noted that in previous reviews of EPA RadNet Gross Beta CPM results for Los Angeles that I conducted (time periods both before and after the March 11, 2011 Japan Quake), during none of that time were the CPM postings so consistently high for Los Angeles. Interesting! And, disturbing.

Yet, EnviroReporter.com radnet live monitoring station in Santa Monica/West Los Angeles currently is finding fairly normal gross Beta readings. http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/enviroreporter-coms-radiation-stat...

I have read that even a few miles in distance from point A to point B can make a big difference in radiation fallout, depending on jet stream air flow. Does anyone know exactly where in Los Angeles the EPA RadNet monitoring station is located?

What's happening, Los Angeles? Any thoughts out there?

"Radon progeny"- - sole cause for increased beta in L.A.?

For some points to ponder questioning whether radon is the sole cause in the current sudden, but persistent rise in gross beta radiation levels for Los Angeles, please see comment below, at bottom of the page: "Are sudden persistent L.A. beta radiation spikes due to radon?" (Submitted by Angusmerlin on Fri, 2011-08-12 @00:44-- in response to Mark's comment, "Radon progeny" (Submitted by bandstra on Tue, 2011-08-09 16:38).

Back in May, I was addicted

Back in May, I was addicted to watching the gross beta counts. One thing I noticed is that the peaks and troughs follow a pattern with a cycle of about a day. If you look at the numbers you posted, you will notice an upward trend that starts at about 18:00-19:00, peaks a few few hours later, and then declines again. The pattern is consistent even if the timing is not.

Mark and others commented that this no doubt a natural cycle related to radon, etc. Makes perfect sense to me - a release from Fukushima would not follow such a rhythm.

Cyclic Readings

I believe that the beta filters have to be removed to be counted, and after counting, the filter holder is replaced with a clean filter to begin the count all over again. While there certainly could be diurnal changes in radiation due to soil warming/cooling, and human activities, I think a big part of the cyclical component of the beta readings may be related to the frequency of Radnet filter changes. I live in Portland, OR. Strangely, our beta readings never seem to go above 50, and when you check the Radnet data, it looks like the count reaches 50 cpm at about the time that the operators decide to change the filter, so the counts can be manipulated to appear lower than they would be if the filter changes occured at consistent intervals. Simply change filters frequently to keep the beta counts low. Maybe the higher counts reflect a longer period between filter changes. It would be worth looking at the Radnet data to better understand whether the time between filter changes has increased.

Peaks of Beta Counts correlated to "venting" by power plants?

Hi BC,

For those cities showing increased beta counts in a consistent pattern, could they possibly be tied to nightly (or daily, as the case may be) radioactive steam releases from venting done by nearby nuclear power plants?

At least some of these cities are near power plants...

Hope someone with some knowledge on the subject can shed some light on these questions for us. :-)

Dear Seattle Mom- At least

Dear Seattle Mom- At least in terms of Southern California, increased beta counts in a consistent pattern do not appear to be tied to nightly/daily radioactive steam releases from venting done by our resident San Onofre nuclear power plant. San Onofre is located in San Diego County, and is closer to San Diego, than it is to Los Angeles. Yet, San Diego's gross beta readings at this point actually look OK.

Though trending down somewhat over the past three days now, EPA RadNet beta counts for Los Angeles are still peaking at 100 to 150 CPMs. Still, San Diego, overall, so far appears to be falling within its normal radiation background range.

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Los Angeles EPA RadNet Graph:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Los%20Angeles-CA-Real-Time-US-Radi...

San Diego EPA RadNet CPM Graph:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/San%20Diego-CA-Real-Time-US-Radiat...

Air quality index?

Thanks for the info and update, Angusmerlin. I have sent an email to the EPA to ask about all of the high peaks in beta counts we've been seeing at several cities across the U.S. recently. I'll let you know when I hear back.

In the meantime, I found some nifty little tools on the EPA's AIRNOW website, http://www.airnow.gov/, for determining air quality for numerous U.S. cities (Note: this is for other pollutants NOT including radiation).

In addition to the current air quality index (AQI) and forecast, they have an animation tool, showing how the forecast changes over the course of a day.

For example, here's San Diego's current AQI and forecast:

http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=airnow.local_city&cityid=323

(Click on the "AQI Animation" tab and watch how the forecasted pollution from LA and OC seeps down to San Diego throughout the day...) Yuck. :-P

Perhaps the poorer air quality in general has to do with the higher beta counts? We know that it is not just nuclear power plants but other industry (mining, coal plants, etc.) that release radiation (and other pollutants) into our environment.

I remember living near the refineries in the LA Harbor/South Bay region years ago and from time to time, distinctly smelling the pungent toxic pollutants which they would release during the late night hours. So some high beta counts at night could be from all kinds of potential industry releases of pollutants.

There is also an online tool for showing the UV radiation forecast: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/uv_index/uv_alert.shtml

As you can see, the UV forcast is "above normal" or "well above normal" through much of the country (especially the Southern portions, whether SW, Central 0r SE).

Anyway, these are just my guesses as to why we've seen the elevated beta counts lately...

I'll let you know when I hear back from the EPA about this. Stay tuned...

EPA response to my questions - August 10, 2011

Hi Everyone,

As promised, here is the response I received from the EPA regarding two of my questions about:

1) why Seattle air test results postings on RADNET stop at May 26, 2011

and:

2) why there have been so many high beta count spikes as shown on RADNET for numerous cities since June. [My comments are in brackets below]

My Question #1:

"Despite Seattle's air test results being reported on a weekly basis since January 2010, the results on the RADNET site (see following link) stop abruptly on May 26, 2011. Why? Is the following an old link?"

http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?Llocation=City...

EPA Radiation Protection Division answer:

"In regard to Seattle, WA air filter results more current then the end of
May 2011, at this time there have been no air filters submitted to our
laboratory for analysis after the collection date of May 26, 2011.
Again, Sample containers are mailed out from our laboratory, prompting
operators to collect samples and return them to the laboratory for
analysis. But, since operators are volunteers, NAREL has no control over
when the samples are sent in from each location."

[This is the same reason they gave for Seattle's quarterly drinking water test results not appearing since their last sample they tested on March 28. I am assuming this time, their answer meant that the testing of Seattle's air using these air filters is indeed still happening on a weekly basis, but there is just a delay in the filters being delivered for analysis, so once the filters are finally delivered, the results will be posted, so there eventually will be results shown for June and July, etc.? But why it should take their volunteers over 2 months for June filters to be delivered so they could be analyzed, especially in the light of the worst nuclear disaster our planet has ever seen, is unclear to me...]

My Question #2 regarding RADNET showing high beta counts since June for numerous cities:

"I thought I read somewhere that natural background radiation levels for beta are usually under 100 CPM. Is that correct? However, I was reviewing the beta levels for the other U.S. cities where the EPA is monitoring this and found that since June, many of the levels in some cities are spiking to over 500, 600, 700 and up to as high as almost 800 (in Harrisonburg, VA). Would you be able to comment on these numbers and help offer some explanation as to what these high counts mean and why they have been happening mostly since June? "

EPA Answer #2:

"According to the National Council on Radiation Protection & Measurements
(NCRP), 50% of the estimated total for average annual radiation per
individual member of the population is for ubiquitous background
radiation (radiation from radon, space, terrestrial, etc.). You can
view a chart of this data on the NCRP website, here.

[Note: The word "here" was not hyperlinked, and no URL was given, but I found the NCRP website here: http://www.ncrponline.org/ I wasn't able to find the chart though I'm sure it's there somewhere...Most of the reports about radiation studies available on their website are for purchase only, unfortunately.]

The EPA response continues:

"A further breakdown of ubiquitous background radiation levels is available on the NCRP website, here.[Again, they forgot the hyperlink]. Please note that data and figures referenced above are derived directly from the NCRP Report No. 160 - Ionizing Radiation Exposure of the Population of the United States (2009)." [Again, I believe this is a for-purchase-only report for $125: http://www.ncrppublications.org/index.cfm?fm=Product.Search&k=Report+No.+160&x=14&y=17]

[Note: You'll see that the report's summary continues to tout the "official line" that most of our exposure to radiation comes from "natural background radiation" and "medical exposure"... Though I keep getting "reassurances" that this is indeed the case, given the ever-increasing exposure we are all getting from "unnatural" man-made radiation sources, I wonder if anyone is truly "reassured" to hear this or believes that the human body can continue to take these ever-increasing levels of exposure (and internal contamination) ad infinitum without having any deleterious effect on our health and our species as a whole? In any case, it would probably be a good idea for the NCRP to revise their report yet again, in light of the fallout issues from Fukushima...]

EPA Response continues:

"You may find the following links helpful in learning more about
radiation, specifically background radiation in the United States:

EPA, Calculate Your Radiation Dose:
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/calculate.html

EPA, Radiation: Risks and Realities:
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/402-k-07-006.pdf"

"Also, as you view data on the RadNet, Japan 2011, and/or Envirofacts
webpages, please be aware that there are often large differences in
normal background radiation among the monitoring locations because
background radiation levels depend on altitude and the amount of
naturally occurring radioactive elements in the local soil. What is
natural in one location is different from what is natural in another."

---END of EPA Response---

Though I'm sure the EPA employees believe this and have been instructed to repeat this information, I'm still not sure I can completely accept the claim that all higher counts of beta are do solely to naturally-occurring radon off-gassing into our environment. In all due respect, after hearing about the spread of propaganda and disinformation about the "safety of radiation" and nuclear power plants which have been handed to citizens since the early days of nuclear power by certain unscrupulous people, I find myself no longer able to take any of this information at face value without reserving some healthy skepticism and doing more digging to see if there may be any potential "variations" of the "Official Line."

That being said, I did however notice early on in the disaster, as I perused RADNET, that in the state of Washington, Spokane seemed to have much higher (naturally occurring?) beta and gamma counts. Upon further investigation, I discovered that there is a uranium mine on an Indian reservation near Spokane. This would then seem to be one of the probable causes of their higher exposure to "background radiation" in Spokane than, say, in Seattle or Olympia.

But though the uranium in the area is "naturally occurring", if it is not exposed to the air during mining operations, but instead, kept deep within the ground, it would make sense that beta and gamma counts would probably not be quite as high in the area, no?

Regarding what the beta and gamma counts are for Richland, WA, which is near the EPA's largest Super Fund environmental clean up site, Hanford: (It would be hard to determine what a "natural background radiation" would be there, due to its long history of radioactivity releases into the environment.) The EPA currently doesn't bother to show a RADNET beta or gamma reading for Richland, at least since the very early days of the Fukushima disaster. They promptly took the readings down after the beta count reached 218 CPM one day and it hasn't been posted since...

As far as naturally occurring radon and how much of an affect it is having on current beta and gamma counts in U.S. cities, perhaps we should all try to educate ourselves more on the topic and share our findings here?

It could very well be that naturally occurring radon is indeed the white elephant in the room (or more accurately, our atmosphere) after all...? However, I think we need to ask what exactly the EPA's definition of "naturally occurring" is. It needs to be specified...For example, "naturally occurring" should not include any radon daughters occurring from uranium mining, as that then would not be "naturally" occurring, would it, since it is being actively mined by man and thus exposed to the atmosphere?

It would be interesting to get some updated, definite studies on the subject...In the meantime, I'd love to hear additional input from our forum members.

Hi SeaMom- I wonder what it

Hi SeaMom-

I wonder what it takes to be one of the volunteers that EPA uses to send the filters in?

LOL - You read my mind :-D

I was thinking the same thing and asked if I could volunteer. :) They directed me to their Region 10 office. I haven't yet inquired about volunteering but I will. Not sure if you would need special expertise to be one of their "volunteer operators," but it wouldn't hurt to ask. I would love to help do my civic duty and assist in whatever way I can, especially since I know I'm not alone among Seattleites waiting for this latest data.

Incidentally, I just learned that Hanford (the largest SuperFund site) had 200,000 acres burn in 2000. Yikes! Seattle isn't typically "downwind" of Hanford, but air patterns change. I'm wondering if the fires helped "redistribute" some of the radioactive waste there to our area? If so, then taking soil samples here might demonstrate that too, as well as the more recent fallout from Fukushima? It would be interesting to find out...

Also, maybe you can help offer some guidance? I was having problems finding any EPA Envirofacts data for sample test results of air, precipitation, drinking water and milk in Seattle for 2000. Every search I did came up "0 results." Could someone please show me how to find such info for 2000? The results would possibly help show any possible effects from the fires in our environment here. (We'd need to pull the data from the year previous, 1999, as well, to compare, yes?)

Finally, did anyone see this RADNET Timeline here: http://www.epa.gov/enviro/facts/radnet/timeline.html

It shows that analysis of uranium and plutonium in precipitation was terminated in 1995. Can that be right? I thought I saw some U.S. city sampling test results in March and April showing these results? (Maybe they reinstated testing after Fukushima?)

The timeline also shows that they terminated analysis of tritium in milk in 1979, the same year as Three Mile Island, and terminated analysis of plutonium (Pu) in milk in 1985. Again, does anyone know if this is still true today, or did they reinstate this testing?

Anyone know what their reasons were for stopping these tests, if they are in fact, no longer doing them?

Envirofacts is set up to

Envirofacts is set up to only show "results" and you have to pick the radionuclide, location, and media. Typically, air filters (NOT air charcoal - you would use that only when looking for radioactive gasses like I-131) are what you will want, since in most locations that is all you will find data for.

I pulled a 2000-2001 Wahington state Pu-239 Air Filter search, and sho nuff...

http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?Llocation=Stat....

Here's some time, place, U-235-

http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?Llocation=Stat...

You are using this site for Radnet queries, correct? -
http://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_query

It looks to me like they were pulling that filter once a year. Likely there were days without a trace of crud in the air. Then you could get a dust storm that could blow the whole amount of contamination into the air in a couple of hours time.

Someone by the name Shelley Rosenblum from the EPA posted here and made the statement that the EPA basically runs a quick gamma spec on the air filters and if they don't find anything of interest, they may not go any further with the testing - so they look for the easy to find stuff like Cs-137 and I-131 first. Not exactly full on due diligence, but then again, there is this - what the hell do you do about it, once you know?

Okay, now you can spend a couple hours looking for this and that :). The first time I used Envirofacts, I felt quite ill...

One other caveat - older results are in aCi, newer are in pCi. That weirded me out, because it is easy to make the pCi number "look smaller", but the change to pCi was pre-FK so I don't smell a conspiracy in the change. I have inserted the link for Pu-239, CA, air filter, 2000-2011 so you can see how the different units of measurement are used.

http://oaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_output?Llocation=Stat...

You can convert the numbers using www.wolframalpha.com....just type in what you have and what you want it converted to... ie, 2.5 kilometers to miles, 4.6 grams to ounces, etc...

Thanks, BC!

This is very helpful! :-)

I have more questions (funny, how one answer only leads to another question). ;-)

1. Why are there no air results in your search for Seattle? Was it just the way you did your search?

2. How does one determine what the MDC will be per any given test? Why do the MDCs vary so much? For example,I used the "simple query" link you mentioned and did a historic search for Cesium in Seattle's drinking water from 1978-2010.

The MDCs seem to average around 3.5 or 4 for each test. However, in 1986, post-Chernobyl, the MDC used for Cesium-137 in Seattle's drinking water was: 6.7 pCi/L, and no cesium was detected.

The MDCs dropped lower in subsequent years, (3.1, 4, etc.) but interestingly enough, the MDC went back up in 2000, the year of the Hanford fires, and for that year's test it was 6.5. (no cesium-137 detected).

So, why do they indicate different MDC levels depending on the sample tested? Wouldn't the data be easier to follow if all the samples used the same MDC levels?

In another example, I see that they did find some Plutonium, 0.43 ACI, in Spokane on Dec. 31, 2000, when looking for: "Plutonium-238 and 239 in Environmental Matrices." The MDC for that sample was only 0.84, and the Combined Standard Uncertainty (CSU) was .33.

But their Dec. 31, 2001 Spokane test for Actinides (Plutonium) used a much higher MDC, 2.7, and a higher Combined Standard Uncertainty of .62, and they detected "zero" Plutonium.

A similar finding for the Uranium test results for Dec. 2001: They used a much higher MDC of 2.4, than for the test looking for uranium in Environmental Matrices in Spokane in 2000 (but this time, they did find 0.73 ACI...but with a CSU of 0.72. Interesting how those numbers are so close.)

But as I suspected, there was more uranium detected in 2000 in Spokane than in 2001 (could be due to the Hanford fires?) They found 3.58 ACI for Uranium-235 in Spokane on Dec. 31, 2000, with a MDC of 0.87 and a CSU of 0.95.

Their test samples for Plutonium in Olympia on Dec. 31, 2000 seemed to have more consistent measurement rubrics for MDC and CSU than for tests done in Spokane.

Do you know why they would change the MDC from .08 when testing for Actinides (Plutonium) on Dec. 31 for Olympia, to a higher MDC of 2.7 on Dec. 31 for Spokane?

Wouldn't the "0" detected actually show something detected if they didn't set their MDC so high? Does the MDC mean that if they found, let's say, 2.6, it would then have shown up as having been detected?

Why would they have different standards for the two cities? Could this be because they know the uranium mine near Spokane would release more uranium in the air which could skew the test results?

And how do they expect the average lay person to understand this data any better by including the footnote at the bottom stating:

"To help put this concentration in context compare them to: (1) risk range concentrations 14000 uBq to 140 uBq; and (2) the average minimum detectable concentration (MDC) for the analytical method used of 1.07 uBq."

If they don't even explain what the ACI measurement means in the first place, then how do they expect us to understand the ACI levels better by comparing them, as they suggest, to units of uBq?

I vote for making their testing methodology much easier to follow for the average lay person to understand, how about you? ;-)

After all, we are the ones whose very life might depend on being able to properly "interpret" this data (i.e. understand how the levels of radiation found might affect them and what actions they should take to help them avoid unnecessary exposure).

Yes, on the one hand, one might ask: What can we do about it anyway, if this stuff is indeed in our environment? Well, the answer to that is certainly an individual choice.

For me, I wish to know the truth about what potentially harmful radiation exists in our environment so I can protect my family as much as possible.

I wish to know the truth about how it got there, and what we can do to stop the build up of more radiation in our world before it is too late to reverse the ugly trend.

With that knowledge, we can work with other like-minded folks to help insure our environment gets cleaned up properly, and work to prevent any further releases of radiation.

And we can share our knowledge with others who may be like most of us likely were pre-Fukushima, blind to the true dangers of radiation and the history of why we are where we are today, and to how the average U.S. citizens exposure to radiation pre-Fukushima has increased 6-fold since the 1980s. That certainly can't be a good thing for one's health.

P.S. Do you think UC Berkeley might consider giving those of us who are regular "students" on this forum a special certificate, acknowledging the excellent education we have been receiving from our gracious hosts? I think I've done as much studying on this subject as I did for any other subject I took in a semester course in college. ;-D

SeaMom- RE #1 I ran the

SeaMom-

RE #1 I ran the search for Washington state, so I would assume that there was no air filter sampling done in Seattle during those years,

BTW, I did mis-speak some - I think that the EPA's policy of only posting detects may be a fairly recent development (though I am not inferring it has anything to do with FK). Obviously, those results I linked to did show some non-detects for Olympia and Spokane, so one would think that Seattle would show up on the search, whether there were detects or not.

RE #2 MDC is influenced by sample size (in this case, how much air was sucked throught the filter), count time, and detector sensitivity. I noticed that with Cherynobyl and FK both the MDC's were somewhat high, and that is a two-edged sword. The good part is that obviously if we are getting pounded hard, it's good to get that filter pulled and sent for analysis, pronto, so we know what's happening. The bad part is, less time sucking air means a smaller sample which leads to a higher MDC/MDA (ie, the test is not as accurate, and indeed a longer draw time may have led to a detection, albeit at a lower level).

I do very much agree that they could make this easier to understand. There is some complexity inherent to this type of thing, but the EPA does little to walk you through it. "Nothing to see here, move along". Well maybe and maybe not, right? Full props to the team here - they have baby-stepped us through some difficult-to-understand topics.

I hear you about the peanut gallery degree. I haven't worked near so hard at understanding something in a long time:).

Ok, thanks, BC :) and excellent resource for news from Japan

I appreciate your help. That is what I love about this forum. Everyone's willingness to help each other understand the finer intricacies of all things nuclear. :-)

BTW: Have you seen this excellent first-hand daily account of the current situation in Japan by a Japanese resident: http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/

It is very, very sad and disturbing to hear about the developments there in Japan. :-( My heart goes out to the Japanese people. They are experiencing not only physical but psychological terror from within their own country, thanks to this nuclear nightmare.

It is unbelievable and unconscionable that any person should have to suffer in this way. Have we come this far with all of our incredible technical and scientific advances, and yet still appear utterly powerless to stem the deadly nuclear beast we (our governments, scientists and industry) have created? We can only hope and pray that there will be some way to help stop this living deadly nightmare.

It seems utter insanity that ANYONE would want to support more nuclear power plants ever again. Why would anyone wish to kill their fellow human beings and ultimately, themselves? For the world's exposure to increasing levels of radiation will ultimately affect those that support it and their families (if they have any) as well, no? We live in a closed environment and radiation knows no national boundaries. The fact that the levels we are being exposed to continue to rise exponentially should be the final wake up call to all thinking, conscientious people.

I hope we never forget our Japanese friends, and continue to spread the word about what is happening there to bring awareness to our family and friends.

Seattle Mom, you da man! I

Seattle Mom, you da man! I like your moxy.
And thanks for all your contributions in this and other threads. Actually, that thanks also goes to Angusmerlin, Bill Duff, Bill not Bill Duff, BC and lots of "anonymous" for balanced debates and critical information and links.
Don't know how I'd keep sane without ya'll.

Aw, shucks :-)

Thanks for the compliment. :-) I too appreciate everyone's contributions. It has been, and continues to be, an invaluable educational experience.

It actually gives me hope, as this forum serves as an important reminder of the power of concerned individuals working together to help one another. Heartening to say the least, especially during times of great uncertainty.

Thanks to all who contribute here!

Does radon really fully explain sudden high beta levels in L.A.?

BC, thank you for your thoughts. I, too, have considered radon and its daughters re the sudden high rise in beta radiation levels for Los Angeles. And, I agree with you that radon artifact appears to be playing its part in present gross beta trending patterns for Los Angeles. Yet, there are now huge rises in overall peak gross beta levels, which previously were not occurring in Los Angeles. These sudden high CPM radiation levels have persisted for 14 continuous days. Compared to my earlier two month review of EPA Los Angeles gross beta levels (where only intermittent +100 CPM levels were found); now on a daily basis, peak beta levels are fairly frequently going over 100 CPMs, and at times over 150 CPMs. A number of times, beta radiation levels even approached 300 CPMs. Since July the 24th, and continuing on through the present, gross beta patterns appear to have greatly changed for Los Angeles. Prior to July the 24th, gross beta peaks rarely hit 100 CPMs. Now, upward trending peak beta levels frequently are hitting over 150 CPMs, and they are doing so on a daily basis. This appears as a new development for Los Angeles beta level patterns. And, not a good one!

Yes, radon contamination appears to be playing a part in radiation trends for Los Angeles. But, does radon artifact fully explain the reason for the sudden and persistent high rises in EPA RadNet reported gross beta radiation levels in Los Angeles?

Has anyone else in Southern California noticed similar sudden, persistent high peak levels in EPA RadNet reported gross beta levels over the past two weeks?

Test for presence of possible radon artifact comes out negative

Bolstering my conclusion that radon artifact does not fully explain the sudden, persistent high peak increases in gross beta radiation patterns for Los Angeles over the past two weeks is the following simple test for the presence of radon.

According to BRAWM (Team Member, Mark): "To prove that the radioactivities result from the decay of radon progeny and not radioisotopes from Japan, a simple experiment can be done. The count rate of the sample must be measured consistently over the course of time. In about 40 minutes, the excess count rate should be about half of what it was at the start of the test. In about 4 hours, the count rate should have returned to background levels. This half-life of approximately 40 minutes is a result of the decay chain of Pb-214 (27 minutes) to Bi-214 (20 minutes), both radon decay products and strong gamma and beta emitters. Nothing with a half-life this short has made it across the ocean from Japan, and nothing with a half-life this short could still exist in any appreciable quantity even a couple days after March 11."

Well, Los Angeles EPA reported radiation levels did not decrease by half of what they originally measured at the time monitored readings were obtained, within the 40 minute period following peak beta readings. Additionally, the beta levels did not return to even close to background levels within the following 4 hour period. Had radon been primarily responsible for the sudden increased beta readings, the beta levels should have returned to background within about a 4 hour time frame. This did not happen for peak Los Angeles beta readings. It did not even come close to happening. The Berkeley BRAWM Team's test for the presence of radon comes out negative.

Conclusion: Radon does not appear to fully explain why there have been sudden, persistent gross beta levels of radiation in Los Angeles, as measured by the EPA RadNet Los Angeles monitoring station.

Numerous cities showing EPA RADNET Beta Count Spikes?

I would love any guidance about this from our BRAWM team, concerning the EPA RADNET Beta count levels being high for a large number of cities over the past week or so (and some since the end of May). I think many of us lay persons need help in deciphering what these numbers mean.

One blogger who has been following Nebraska and Des Moines, Iowa (neighbors, downwind of Ft. Calhoun) recently, has commented about spikes in beta counts there:

http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/des-moines-radiation-levels-augus...

Also, many monitors are often out of service for brief periods of time (Though Richmond, WA has been down for the entire Fukushima event.)

Someone on the blog speculated that these high numbers could be caused by the heat wave, skewing the readings? (These high spikes all seem to been since June).

Anyone have any information on this? Perhaps we can ask an EPA representative to comment here to explain these highs and outages, etc.?

I just found this helpful overview of all the RADNET sites with thumbnails which you can click on to see graphs from each U.S. city that the EPA RADNET monitors:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nu...

I was concerned (should I be?) to see Harrisonburg, VA, showing the highest of any city's beta counts recently, with a spike at 650 CPM the end of May, and several others high spikes over 700 CPM, the highest going up to nearly 800 CPM around August. Woah...can this be possible? If this is a correct number, should the good people of Harrisonburg, VA be concerned? If it is an anomaly due to a broken monitor, why isn't the EPA stating this on the RADNET website?

I thought I had read somewhere that normal background levels are usually under 100 CPM, and that if they go over that, this is cause for concern. Is that correct?

Any guidance anyone can offer on this would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

Perhaps our own nuclear

Perhaps our own nuclear plants are releasing extra steam under the cover of Fukushima? EPA needs to answer the spikes in the readings!!!

What a great thread. Thanks

What a great thread. Thanks to all who are contributing and asking questions. Hope we get answers soon. Yes, this is disturbing.

Aren't the winds in LA weird

Aren't the winds in LA weird this time of year? Santa Anna winds or something like that?

Could be a factor, bringing in extra amounts of naturally occurring gasses.

2 cents.

Santa Ana winds in So. CA and waiting for EPA response

As a former So. CA resident, I can attest that the hot, dry Santa Ana winds from the deserts actually don't appear until Fall or Winter months (Oct thru March.) FAQ: http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/santa_ana_faq.html

So that wouldn't be the cause of higher beta counts in L.A. at the moment.

I have sent an email to the EPA, asking about the beta count peaks this summers in various U.S. cities. I'll report back here when I get a reply. (They also finally replied to my question about further drinking water tests being reported in Seattle, and I'll post that reply in a separate thread.)

Thank you for the posting and readings...

I would like to know more if anyone would comment. This is disturbing.

BRAWM, any thoughts on this?

Would like to know your theories. Thanks as always.

Radon progeny

Some of us have commented on the spikes in the RadNet data before, so I think I will try to compile those answers into one response and pin it.

Basically, radon gas seeps up from the ground since it is the decay product of natural uranium. The rate at which it seeps out of the ground and its concentration in the air once it is out are strongly affected by temperature, pressure, and other local weather conditions. The amount in the air can easily change by multiples of 10 over a single day.

Most of the spikes, especially the diurnal spikes, can easily be understood as the natural, daily variations in the concentration of radon gas and its decay products. I have commented on this topic before, such as these threads:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4898#comment-14014
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4087#comment-9870
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4087#comment-9916

Also, someone from the EPA commented on beta and gamma spikes as well:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4625#comment-11155

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

Are sudden persistent L. A.beta radiation spikes due to radon?

Mark, thank you very much for your temperature/pressure/rain radon artifact references re:
1. "The local weather (especially rain, temperature, and pressure) can have very large effects on the concentration of radon gas and its decay products. Basically, higher temperatures and lower pressures cause radon gas to seep more quickly out of the ground. This phenomenon is what causes most of the spikes in the RadNet plots. You can tell because a lot of the spikes occur on a daily basis and correlate with temperature variations over the course of one day. This diurnal variation in radon concentration is well-known..." (bandstra, 2011-06-06) http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4087#comment-9870
2. "...Assuming that there are no instrumental effects, the spikes in the EPA graphs would be caused by naturally-occurring radioactive isotopes, mostly from the decay chain of Radon-222." (bandstra, 2011-06-06)
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4087#comment-9870
3. "[T]he reason the radon decay products vary so much is due to the local weather conditions. Radon gas seeps up out of the ground from the decay of naturally-occurring uranium in the soil (U-238 in particular). It is a heavy gas, and so it prefers to stay near the ground. The atmospheric pressure and temperature can greatly affect its concentration....
So there can be huge variations in radon concentration (and therefore the concentration of its daughters) over a single day, just due to temperature effects. This can explain the large spikes that many people are noticing, many of which happen over the course of a day or so." (bandstra,2011-06-06) http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4087#comment-9916

***

Yes, I can see how radon levels over the 'course of a day or so' can be effected by temperature change, pressure, or rain "over the course of a day or so". Yet, I am still puzzled by a number of factors that do not appear to be easily explained by the above points with regard to the sudden and persistent very high gross beta peak increases for the city of Los Angeles. EPA reported gross beta peaks for Los Angeles have been topping 100, 150, 200, and even 250 CPMs (plus in a few instances, approaching 300 CPMs) from July the 24th through August the 8th, 2011. Even continuing through today, 8/11/2011, beta CPMs are still going over 100 CPMs for Los Angeles. So, some points to ponder:

1. The gross beta 'hot' spell for Los Angeles' has not been just a 'one day or so' showing of sudden huge increased peaks for gross beta radiation levels. Rather, going on for 3 straight weeks, beta levels for Los Angeles uncharacteristically have been peaking very high. And, currently are continuing to do so, though now at somewhat lower levels.

2. Yes, I can entertain how temperature, pressure, and rain can effect sudden increases in radiation. If increased temperature/pressure is causing increased radon to surface, thereby causing sudden, skyrocketing beta spiking in Los Angeles over the past several weeks; then when BRAWM's radon decay test is applied to the above data, shouldn't the radon test results come out positive? That is, if radon is contaminating background radiation levels, extremely rapid decay should be present within a 4 hour period following initial reported levels. Yet, this is not what is happening re the EPA reported beta level peaks for Los Angeles. BRAWM's radon screening test came out negative. That is, overall, the gross beta levels for Los Angeles, since July the 24th have not been significantly decaying at 40 minutes by one half. And at 4 hours, beta radiation levels have not been returning to normal background levels to be expected for Los Angeles.

(**Above radon test reference is to Mark Bandstra's: "To prove that the radioactivities result from the decay of radon progeny and not radioisotopes from Japan, a simple experiment can be done. The count rate of the sample must be measured consistently over the course of time. In about 40 minutes, the excess count rate should be about half of what it was at the start of the test. In about 4 hours, the count rate should have returned to background levels. This half-life of approximately 40 minutes is a result of the decay chain of Pb-214 (27 minutes) to Bi-214 (20 minutes), both radon decay products and strong gamma and beta emitters. Nothing with a half-life this short has made it across the ocean from Japan, and nothing with a half-life this short could still exist in any appreciable quantity even a couple days after March 11.")

Again, if the increased gross beta levels for Los Angeles are due to contamination of radon and its daughters, shouldn't the beta levels in Los Angeles have been decaying significantly by the 40 minute time frame, and at the 4 hour period down to background level? But, no, gross beta levels have not significantly decayed at 40 minutes and at four hours following reported levels.

3. Yes, I agree that increased temperature/pressure can correlate to sudden increases in radiation. Over this summer, however, Los Angeles has experienced higher temperatures than those currently being experienced. Why then haven't these prior hotter periods of temperature in Los Angeles also resulted in sudden, high spikes in gross beta levels? Yet, beta radiation levels reported by the EPA prior to July 24th, 2011 have been essentially at background levels-- even during very, very hot spells for Los Angeles. All of the sudden, as of July 24th, the beta radiation levels for Los Angeles increased. At the end of the day, I am still left wondering. Why?

As to "BRAWM's radon

As to "BRAWM's radon screening test came out negative," this is not what the EPA results show.

When we did these test to prove that the activity was coming from radon, we took a single sample (whether air filter or rainwater) and counted the same sample over the course of hours. Because of the half-life, and because we're not adding any new radon, the activity goes down as described.

In the EPA's case, and in our original experiments as well, we simply took a sample and counted without looking at how the activity changed over time. Each data point on the RadNet site is actually a separate sample; each one was collected at a different time, but it's not showing one sample as it decays away. In other words, the radon level doesn't go to zero after 4 hours because each sample is collecting more radon from the air.

Tim [BRAWM Team Member]

Thanks, Tim, for your

Thanks, Tim, for your comments re your experiences testing for radon. I have replied to both you and to Mark at: http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5296#comment-16782

What a shame that the EPA RadNet Query hourly gross beta postings cannot effectively be used to test for the presence of radon and its possible background radiation artifact. Very disheartening!

I appreciate your feedback, Tim!

Gamma spectroscopy can distinguish between radon and fallout

You are right that gross beta count rates are not very helpful for distinguishing between background and non-background. This is basically why Geiger counters are not effective at finding fallout here in the US.

However, the EPA RadNet system doesn't just have gross beta — they also have gamma spectroscopy. The different channels are called Gamma Energy Ranges 2–10, and each apparently corresponds to a 100 keV wide bin in the gamma spectrum, and Range 2 is 200–300 keV, etc. This information is somewhat crude but quite useful.

For example, Lead-214 and Bismuth-214 (from radon decay) emit several gamma-ray lines throughout the entire spectrum. Here are some of the strongest lines from those two isotopes: 242, 295, 352, 609, 768, 934, 1120, 1238, 1377, 1764, and 2204 keV. We see these lines in our germanium detectors all the time. An increased amount of the radon decay products should correlate with increases in almost every gamma-ray energy range, which is something I showed in an earlier thread.

Contrast these isotopes with fission product isotopes, which happen to have fewer strong gamma-ray lines:

  • Iodine-131: 364 (80%), 284 (6%), and 637 (7%)
  • Cesium-134: 604 (98%), 796 (85%), 569 (15%)
  • Cesium-137: 662 (85%)

If a large amount of these were present, the gamma-ray data would show large rises in only some of the energy ranges (particularly Range 3 for I-131 and Range 6 for Cs-134 and Cs-137).

In all of the RadNet data I have ever looked at, all of the gamma ranges appear correlated with one another and none particularly stand out. This is exactly what one would expect from the radon decay products.

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

Mark

Range 6 or Range 5 for cesium? Another thread with EPA response said cesium-137 was range 5:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3667

“Radioactive material from Japan could be seen in various energy ranges, depending on the specific radionuclide. Iodine-131 and cesium-137 would primarily be seen in ranges 3 and 5, respectively, along with other naturally occurring radioactive materials.”

Mark- Very interesting. I

Mark-

Very interesting. I can add that when I watched the RadNet "live" data very closely during May, all energy ranges tracked the same (ie, they all went up or down together). I wondered why, now I know.

BC

For "Los Angeles, CA Real

For "Los Angeles, CA Real Time Radiation Monitoring" for April 13, 2011 - August 11, 2011, see graphed EPA gross beta CPM findings at:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Los%20Angeles-CA-Real-Time-US-Radi...

If you prefer, you can also pull up above EPA findings, but on daily/hourly chart style at: http://www.epa.gov/radnet/radnet-data/