Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite lower radiation exposure than legal limit

Of 10 nuclear power plant workers who have developed cancer and received workers' compensation in the past, nine had been exposed to less than 100 millisieverts of radiation, it has been learned.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110727p2a00m0na010000c.html

Nuclear Whistleblower...

Ann Harris tells from her experience what the nuclear industry is really all about.

At least listen from 42 minutes on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77vkuPtqN4A

Very good news out of

Very good news out of Germany in their ongoing effort to phase out their cancer-causing nuclear reactors...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,783314,00.html

Replacing nuclear with coal and gas - NOT GOOD

So you somehow think that we should celebrate the fact that Germany has once again displayed its penchant for mass hypnosis by deciding to shut down its largest reliable source of carbon free electricity?

Do you really like the fact that they have determined that it is better to burn more coal and Russian natural gas?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/20/us-germany-energy-idUSTRE75J42...

Rod Adams
Publisher,
Atomic Insights

Efficiency

Well,

IFF the gas EFFICIENCY numbers indicated in this brochure are achievable.

http://www.siemens.com.au/files/Events/aog/aog_06_ReducingCO2FootprintWi...

Then ... yes

Though I am somewhat sceptical of a 90% energy efficiency claim, for the indicated product, under ANY circumstances.

Replacing nuclear with renewables - VERY GOOD

I think we should have a parade down Broadway in NYC to celebrate Merkel's courageous decision to shut down their cancer-causing nuclear plants, Rod.

The Germans displayed exceptionally clear thinking and common sense, in my opinion, after the latest nuclear catastrophe in Japan.

Burning of more coal should be temporary ... and, from what I understand, new coal plants will use the cleanest technology and operate in a Euro carbon-trading system.

What's unfolding in Germany, Italy, and a few other countries right now must scare the hell out of nuclear power advocates ... and that's a VERY good thing, imo...

Since the industrial age

Since the industrial age started how many people have died from coal related illness and how does that number compare to how many people have died from nuclear energy? Seems like we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Sticky this thread! Rod's

Sticky this thread! Rod's blog should preface everyone's excursion down the brawm rabbit hole. Mark, I'm dying to know, do you ever check who posts the anti nuke rants? Sometimes i feel like eighty percent of what is posted on here is from one guy with several aliases spewing propaganda.

annonymous

The anti-nuke posters would be thinking the same thing about pro-nuke rants. There's no shortage of hypocrisy here, clearly.

ONE child with thyroid cancer from radiation is one too many

Now that the truth is finally coming to light, I guess agencies like the WHO, the IAEA and the WNA/World Nuclear Association ("Representing the people and organizations of the nuclear power profession") will finally have to update their reports claiming there is no evidence of incidents of cancer from exposures of under 100 mSv a year.

Nuclear power plant workers and their families have the right to know this information about the real risks, as do the rest of us.

Here's the erroneous information as stated on the WNA website http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf05.html- (The CAPS are added for emphasis):

"Radiation protection standards assume that any dose of radiation, no matter how small, involves a possible risk to human health. However, available scientific evidence DOES NOT INDICATE ANY CANCER RISK or immediate effects at doses below 100 mSv a year. At low levels of exposure, the body's natural repair mechanisms seem to be adequate to repair radiation damage to cells soon after it occurs."

Tell that to these 10 workers at the Japanese nuclear power plants who got cancer at lower doses who were mentioned in the above-referenced article.

Note the article states that the nuclear plant operators in Japan will only recognize leukemia as a work-related illness which they are willing to compensate for. They won't recognize or compensate for most other cancers or illnesses, despite numerous studies proving all kinds of health risks from radiation exposure. This makes you wonder how many other workers got cancer and other illnesses from radiation exposure which we aren't hearing about because of their refusal to admit the truth? (and accept the liability). Shame on them.

Given the ever-increasing evidence of the lies our nuclear fathers told us, the story of these unfortunate men and their cancers from radiation exposure as nuclear power plant workers surely must represent only the tip of the iceberg to be uncovered now that the world's focus is on these issues.

We want the TRUTH. We deserve the TRUTH. We refuse to subsidize an industry that kills, cuts lives short, and lies while doing it, for what? To boil water and put money in their pockets. SHAME ON THEM.

It is unconscionable that the WHO and the IAEA would continue to try to discount/ignore the evidence from the 1500+ peer-reviewed scientific studies on the health effects from Chernobyl fallout conducted by respected scientists and medical professionals in Russia. (see Yablokov's book: http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf)

It is unconscionable that they would instead claim that out of the 4,995 deaths of the 61,000 emergency workers at Chernobyl, only 4.6% of those could be attributable to radiation-induced diseases. Only 4.6%??? Do they really think the public is that stupid to believe their obvious cover up of the truth?

But worse than that, their efforts to downplay the fact that after Chernobyl, at LEAST 4,000 children in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus (1152 children in Belarus alone between 1986-2002) were diagnosed with thyroid cancer is just SHAMEFUL!!!

After stating those numbers, they quickly brag of a "98.8% survival rate". Pardon my sarcasm, but are they really expecting us to believe that the poor families of the children who got thyroid cancer from radiation exposure from Chernobyl were ok with it, since after all, their children ultimately survived their undeserved, decades-long, post-fallout physical and psychological suffering, even if their doctors had to remove their thyroids first? Do they expect us all to jump for joy and call for more nuclear power plants to be built in our neighborhoods? Give us a break.

And even if you are foolish enough to believe their statistics over those from the peer-reviewed studies done by actual doctors and scientists who lived and worked in the region, anyone can see what an obvious ploy it is, used to deflect criticism from the fact these kids got cancer, and that even just ONE child contracting thyroid cancer from nuclear radiation exposure is ONE TOO MANY!

I repeat:

Even just ONE child contracting thyroid cancer, leukemia or any other type of cancer or illness due to nuclear radiation exposure is ONE TOO MANY. Period.

The children of Chernobyl and now the children of Fukushima didn't ask to be exposed to radiation. Their parents did not sanction it. The public did not agree to be exposed to radiation.

If anything good can come out of Fukushima, it is this: slowly, the public is getting educated about the true and ever-growing dangers we are constantly exposed to by the nuclear industry and their faultily designed, aging nuclear reactors and their ever-growing, ever-lasting piles of radioactive waste which no one seems to know exactly what to do with.("Not in MY backyard!")

How many of us even knew until Fukushima that ALL nuclear power plants release "low levels" of radiation every time they vent steam? Where does that "low level" radiation go? We live in a closed environment. Our atmosphere can only take so much pollution.

What can we do about it? Have the EPA and our governments and international "health" agencies and nuclear regulatory agencies just continue to raise the "background" radiation levels we are "naturally" exposed to, and raise the "acceptable levels" of human radiation exposure??? That is unacceptable. Our lungs and bodies can only take so much radiation exposure. Then what?

How many of us knew until now about the studies showing women within a 50 mile radius of a nuclear power plant having a higher rate of breast cancer?

How many of us knew before the recent 3-part expose report by the Associated Press that a majority of U.S. nuclear power plants are leaking tritium?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/radioactive-tritium-leaks-us-nu...

(and most likely they are leaking other radioisotopes, but they aren't telling us...my guess is that they only admit to tritium leaking to again deflect attention away from the fact if one radioisotope is leaking, there is a good likelihood that other, more long-lasting, more dangerous radioisotopes are leaking along with it...)

How many of the parents in Fukushima knew beforehand that their government and the nuclear industry would lie to them and betray them, failing to adequately respond to their desperate requests for help, in effect abandoning them and their children during such a crucial time following the nuclear disaster?

How many of us in other nations can be sure our governments wouldn't do the same, given the impossible task of meeting the needs of millions of affected people after such a large scale nuclear disaster? How many of us can be sure our own governments (with the help of the mainstream media) would not instead try to cover up the truth, lie, or simply pretend everything was ok, simply because the scale of the disaster response needed was too huge and unmanageable and/or they didn't want to create a panic?

It is sheer madness to continue as taxpayers to subsidize any industry which exposes us to such ultimately unmanageable, senseless risks. Why should we continue to agree to allow ourselves to be exposed to the fear and real risks of possible future radiation exposures, or to the headaches of long-term waste clean up and storage problems, simply because we need to find a way to boil water?

The WHO's report goes on to report another lie by saying: "There has been no increase attributable to Chernobyl in congenital abnormalities, adverse pregnancy outcomes or any other radiation-induced disease in the general population either in the contaminated areas or further afield."

Again, read Yablokov's book summarizing the medical reports, and discover the horrible truth for yourself:

http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf

Finally, I found this choice tidbit on the WNA website about how the international "radiological protection authorities" came up with their radiation protection "standards" (i.e. how much exposure to radiation is ok) (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf05.html):

"The International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) set up in 1928 is a respected source of recommendations and guidance on radiation protection, and its recommendations are widely followed by national health authorities.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has published international radiation protection standards since 1962. It is the only UN body with specific statutory responsibilities for radiation protection and safety. Its Safety Fundamentals are applied in basic safety standards and consequent Regulations.

"In any country, radiation protection standards are set by government authorities, generally in line with recommendations by the ICRP, and coupled with the requirement to keep exposure as low as reasonably achievable (ALARA) - taking into account social and economic factors. The authority of the ICRP comes from the scientific standing of its members and the merit of its recommendations.

"The three key points of the ICRP's recommendations are:
• Justification. No practice should be adopted unless its introduction produces a POSITIVE NET BENEFIT.
• Optimisation. All exposures should be kept as low as reasonably achievable, economic and social factors being taken into account.
• Limitation. The exposure of individuals should not exceed the limits recommended for the appropriate circumstances."

Let's stop there: Justification? Ask yourselves: Is it justifiable and morally right to allow even just ONE child to develop leukemia or thyroid cancer due to radiation exposure??? All for what? To boil water?

Let us, the PEOPLE decide what is justifiable. Not some commission that is far removed from the best interests of the citizens; but who are, rather, beholden to the best interests of the N industry.

And let us be clear: If, as they state, one needs to "take into account social and economic factors," in coming up with these radiological protection standards, it is the SOCIAL factors which need to TRUMP the economic ones. Our precious lives come first. And if radiation exposure from nuclear power threatens our health and the integrity and sanctity of our very DNA (which it does), we have no other choice than to pull the plug on nuclear before its too late.

It is time for those who work in the nuclear power industry, or those who are considering working in the industry, to examine their consciences. Our children deserve a safe, healthy childhood, free from fear of nuclear radiation exposure and the health risks it brings. And we as adult members of the public deserve the same.

Unless it can be proven that ZERO accidents will happen in the future, which is impossible as we know more accidents certainly would happen if we continued down the nuclear path, then it is time to pull the plug on nuclear, once and for all.

We simply can't afford, on many levels, to continue down this dangerous path.

Apply the same logic to cars, airliners, bathtubs...

Unless it can be proven that ZERO accidents will happen in the future, which is impossible as we know more accidents certainly would happen if we continued down the nuclear path, then it is time to pull the plug on nuclear, once and for all.

Unless we can prove that no child will die in an airliner crash; we have to pull the plug on flying.

Unless we can prove that no child will die in an automobile crash; we have to pull the plug on driving.

Unless we can prove that no child will ever again die by drowning in a bathtub, we have to pull the plug on bathing.

Where does that stop? Someone doesn't know how to think.

Scientists are laughing..

How many of us knew before the recent 3-part expose report by the Associated Press that a majority of U.S. nuclear power plants are leaking tritium?

The scientists have been laughing about that report ever since it came out.

One of the anti-nuke agencies took the Associated Press around to a bunch of nuclear power plants, took water samples downstream, and had them analyzed for tritium.

The problem is they didn't do good science. They didn't do a "control". They should also have taken samples UPSTREAM of the plants.

If they had done that; they'd find that the water upstream also has tritium.

Mother Nature makes Tritium; it's a naturally radioactive substance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

Tritium occurs naturally due to cosmic rays interacting with atmospheric gases. In the most important reaction for natural production, a fast neutron (which must have energy greater than 4.0 MeV[10]) interacts with atmospheric nitrogen:

7N14 + n --> 6C12 + 1T3

It's deplorable how many scientifically illiterate people got taken in by that Associated Press report.

Rude Dog STFU

Rude Dog,

STFU w/ the pseudo-scientific drivel/horsehoodah. Do NOT presume to tell engineers and other scientists 'what scientists think'.

Generally, we think that uneducated frauds and willful liars such as Rude Dog .,. SUCK!

Go sit on it Rude Dog. You were voted off the island long ago. You are a waste of mass and a colossalass.

I follow the scientific journals..

I follow the scientifiic journals and what the scientific societies are saying.

That's so I can express an INFORMED opinion of what scientists are thinking.

Evidently, you don't.

Rude Dog

Rude Dog was, is and shall remain a TROLL.

Nothing more. There is no particular reason to measure the tritium up-grade water sources for a news report. The NPP Tritium Leaks have been measured for decades. Commercial nuclear power plants, such as the Vermont Yankee have routinely leaked Tritium. For the most recent reporting periods, the Vermont Yankee did get a passing grade of non-detect.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2010/02/24/nrc_confirm...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/21/utilities-operations-entergy-v...

http://healthvermont.gov/enviro/rad/yankee/tritium.aspx

If you actually read technical journals, you do so with a TOTAL lack of context, wit, skill, understanding, insight, intelligence, discernment and/or judgement. You are wasting your time and ours.

You are Stupid^3 and a much proven liar.

Move it along Rude Dog. You were voted off the island, long ago.

What does the law say...

John Doe was cited last month for exceeding the speed limit by 10 mph. This month John Doe is STILL DRIVING!!!!

Of course he is. The motor vehicle code describes the conditions under which someone's license is to be revoked. The code takes into account the frequency of infractions as well as their severity. However, the vehicle code doesn't provide for the revocation of one's license on the basis of a single infraction of speeding by 10 mph.

Likewise, the violations at Vermont Yankee do not rise to the level at which the law states that the plant's license is to be revoked.

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/89026/nrc-calls-vermont-yankee-tritium-le...

The NRC issued an inspection report on Wednesday calling recent leaks of tritium at the Vernon reactor minor. The report also says the leaks posed no threat to public health and safety.

Yes - Vermont Yankee had tritium leaks that were MINOR

The problem for the mentally defective anti-nukes is that they can't think quantitatively. Any leak of radioactivity, regardless of how minor, is a license-revoking offense to them - even when the law says it isn't. From that incident, the resident pea-brain wants to conclude that all nuclear power plants should be shutdown.l

It's as if given John Doe's single 10 mph speeding infraction above, the illogical, mentally challenged, anti-nukes conclude that all drivers should have their license revoked, even though that's not what the vehicle code says.

If a reactor licensee exceeds the limits as provided by the Atomic Energy Act, the NRC surely can revoke their license and shutdown a power plant. But that has never happened. Even in the case of Vermont Yankee, the tritium leak was minor.

Of course, that doesn't stop the pinhead politicians in Vermont. The Vermont legislature and Governor ILLEGALLY attempted to shutdown Vermont Yankee. Judge Murtha of the Federal District Court put a stop to their plans. However, tomorrow - Monday January 14, 2013, the State of Vermont will be in the Federal Appeals Court for the 2nd Circuit in New York attempting to reverse Judge Murtha.

I don't believe the State of Vermont has much of a case. The US Supreme Court has said in several cases, including one involving Vermont Yankee a few decades ago; that regulation of nuclear power is clearly a federal responsibility under the US Constitution. Congress has accepted that responsibility, and has crafted laws to regulate nuclear power and put the administration of those laws into the hands of an agency Congress created, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The US Supreme Court has stated that the Courts have to give great deference to the NRC, since nuclear regulation is technically challenging, and the NRC has the technical expertise and the Courts do not. Under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution; the laws of the federal government supersede state laws in areas where the Constitution clearly gives the power to regulate to the federal government, as is the case here.

However, the mentally defective anti-nukes just can't accept that.

Where do we get such mentally-defective people? It's as if a bunch of Thalidomide-damaged children have all grown up to oppose nuclear power.

No proof of anything, as always.

Many of the sources you cite are just echoing the flawed AP study.

That is not to say that there haven't been documented leaks of tritium; there have been, and they've been reported to the NRC.

The NRC will shut down a plant if the releases are above the very small levels that the plant is allowed to release.

The question is not really whether a given plant has leaked tritium; but also the amount, and how that amount compares to the tritium that we are all exposed to courtesy of Mother Nature.

Contrary to the above poster's ill-founded and ill-considered statements, the amount of all radiation exposure due to the use of nuclear power is thousands of times less than what people are exposed to naturally due to Mother Nature:

http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm

The releases from the entire nuclear fuel cycle are less than 0.03% of the average natural exposure to radiation courtesy of Mother Nature.

As for this little dimbulb pinhead's vacuous claims that I am a liar; how can he/she have "proven" anything when he/she NEVER offers any evidence of same? In a Court of Law, if the prosecutor claims the defendant is lying, but never calls any witnesses or enters into evidence any physical evidence that the defendant is lying; how does the Court rule? If all there is are the claims of lying by the prosecutor and no evidence to back it up; the Court rules against the prosecutor.

That's what we have here. The above poster never proves anything; but just makes vacuous, empty, or more likely empty-headed, claims that I am promulgating falsehoods. However, as above; I always include cites to reputable sources to back up what I say.

I think we all know who the LIAR is here.

Also, there's no "Voting off the island" here, dummy.

In science, truth is NOT determined by a vote.

STFU Rude Dog

The Vermont Yankee NPP ‘On-Site’ wells continue to indicate the presence of Tritium.

http://healthvermont.gov/enviro/rad/yankee/documents/VY_tritium_gamma_la...
Health Department Laboratory Analyses
Tritium Concentration Results
ON-SITE MONITORING WELLS or MONITORING SITES

GZ-23S
(Date, Tritium, ERF)
06/04/12 580 201
07/02/12 655 197
10/02/12 887 138

GZ-15
06/11/12 87000 800
07/02/12 88300 800
And so forth

Of course...

Of course the on-site wells will show tritium

Evidently our ignorant pinhead didn't understand when I showed that tritium is produced by Mother Nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

Tritium occurs naturally due to cosmic rays interacting with atmospheric gases. In the most important reaction for natural production, a fast neutron (which must have energy greater than 4.0 MeV[10]) interacts with atmospheric nitrogen:
7N14 + 0n1 --> 6C12 + 1T3

Tritium is continually produce naturally by Mother Nature. Any rain that falls contains tritium that was made in the upper atmosphere. Any water in wells contains recent rainwater that has percolated down into the water table. Therefore, any water in wells will contain recently-made natural tritium.

The question is how the Vermont Yankee wells compare to other wells not near the plant. Do you have any data on those?

Lacking the proper "control" experiment, i.e. the activity of wells not near Vermont Yankee, the information provided by our resident pinhead is anecdotal at best.

You R a gawdamn liar

Half Life and Half Wit

The water in my municipal water wells dates to the ice ages. The half-life of tritium is 12.33 years. Any measurable tritium in such underground water sources is of RECENT origin.

http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/105/4/j54luc2.pdf

[26] 2000 Unterweger Beta 12.33 0.03 1 standard Three sets of gas counting measurements over
and Lucas counting uncertainty 38 years.

Another demonstration of anti-nuke stupidity

Once again our resident dimwit takes the time to demonstrate his abject stupidity

First, we were discussing the measurements that the AP did to say that nuclear power plants were releasing tritium. The bodies of water that they measured were NOT deep wells as in your case, you ignorant dimbulb. The AP measured the tritium in the rivers that the nuclear power plants were built alongside. The claim was that the tritium found in the rivers must come from the nuclear power plants.

As demonstrated in the post above, tritium is made naturally by cosmic rays and falls with rainwater and runs into the rivers. We EXPECT rivers to contain tritium whether or not they have a nuclear power plant along side.

As stated above, if the AP had taken samples of river water upstream of the power plants, they would have also found tritium in that water.

We are talking about measurements in riverwater, you miserable chowderhead!!! Deep wells have nothing to do with the post above.

Additionally, are you denying that Mother Nature makes tritium, and that tritium is to be found in all surface water? Are you saying that the tritium in surface water is all from nuclear power plants. If so; then you are WRONG, as always.

NPP produce and LEAK Tritium

WTF does Rude Dog read? And does Rude Dog know anything about the contents thereof? The evidence wrt the non compos mentis state of the Rude Dog, is quite overwhelming.

Environmental releases of Tritium (H3) into the atmosphere and tritiated water into the surface and ground water supplies by NPPs are an ongoing concern.

http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/grndwtr-contam-trit...
http://www.nirs.org/radiation/tritium/tritiumhome.htm

Nuclear Power plants generate and leak Tritium every day.

Hey BONEHEAD - can you READ?

The post above cites a link to the NRC which states:

The NRC recently identified several instances of unintended tritium releases, and all available information shows no threat to the public.

The NRC post states that the NRC has "identified several instances".

However, the brainless nitwit above as extrapolated "several instances" into meaning ALL nuclear power plants. How typical of the half-witted anti-nukes.

Additionally, the nitwit's own cite to the NRC states that there was "no threat to the public".

The bonehead has nothing to complain about since there was no threat by his own citation.

I bit the two-bit propagandist doesn't read what cites; on those rare occasions that the nitwit cites anything at all.

Keep repeating that to yourself STUPID

Nuclear Power plants generate and leak Tritium every day.

Keep repeating that to yourself; keep programming your mind which is incapable of thinking.

Little pinhead anti-nuke can't think quantitatively. Little moron doesn't know the difference between a thimble full of a substance and a ton of the same substance.

I wonder what it is like to go through life with no concept of arithmetic at all.

Great Post

Great post and great links. Thanks for your efforts.
It is correct that the industry cannot even 'boil water' with nuclear power without releasing radioisotopes. That is why they try so hard to convince us that a little is not harmful. (Just as BP's exec said, It's just a little oil and the ocean is so big'.. the response of, 'How about if I spit in your tea, it's just a little and your cup is so big' seems quite applicable). A little IS harmful, 'hot particles', and the effects of long term, cronic exposure to low levels of radiation has been adequately documented by the Russian publication to which you refer, so the industry is trying to deny it's results. The total releases of all plants do infact add up to alot. A likely culprit of the worldwide 'cancer epidemic' is obviously nuclear releases. The industry admits that there is no safe level and then uses the results from Hiroshima's external exposure to say it's safe.
Nuclear power actually costs us (the taxpayer) more to generate than we get from it when we calculate all the costs and is so dangerous that NO insurance company will even touch it, so the government says it insures it...What a bunch of horse manure!
They continue to bend the truth. Even Mark says he's not part of the industry though his vitae cleary states he's working on nuclear security. Not part of the industry? What part of NUCLEAR security is not part of the NUCLEAR industry?
It's even not safe when it works as planned. You are right in that it certainly wasn't us who decided that 3.5 cancers per 1000 people is 'acceptable'. It's not to us and it's not to people who find out about the so called 'acceptable level'. The world is approaching 7 million people...Radioactive releases equally distributed to 7 million at 3.5/1000 people is a lot of cancer.
As far as what it is 'safe as', I don't have to fly or drive, but I do have to breathe. The Japanese people are suffering and their children's children will suffer for 20 generations. (a point UCB continually downplays, focusing on the effect half way around the world.) Hopefully these nuclear catastrophes will wake us up and we will demand better for ourselves and our children and their children's children. Hopefully we can get this stopped in our neck of the woods before the industry Fukushimas us too.

You are still at risk..

As far as what it is 'safe as', I don't have to fly or drive, but I do have to breathe.

You also have to do your breathing on the ground underneath those airliners that fly over.

Even if you choose not to fly; you still are subject to being hit on the ground by a crashing airliner. So the aviation industry subjects you to risk even if you choose not to partake of their services.

Someone has been reading Helen Caldicott...


Nuclear power actually costs us (the taxpayer) more to generate than we get from it when we calculate all the costs and is so dangerous that NO insurance company will even touch it, so the government says it insures it...

These are the same old lies that Helen Caldicott tells.

They are all WRONG.

How do you think those greedy corporations make money if it costs more to make the electricity with nuclear power than they get when they sell it? Come on THINK.

You fell for the Caldicott LIE about the insurance too.

The Price-Anderson Act REQUIRES reactor owners to get insurance. Additionally, if the insurance isn't enough; the money the Government distributes is NOT taxpayer money; it comes from the reactor companies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_I...

Power reactor licensees are required by the act to obtain the maximum amount of insurance against nuclear related incidents which is available in the insurance market (as of 2011, $375 million per plant). Any monetary claims that fall within this maximum amount are paid by the insurer(s). The Price-Anderson fund, which is financed by the reactor companies themselves, is then used to make up the difference.

There are no commercial insurers willing to insure nuclear power plants, you say?

Tell that to the companies in the consortium called American Nuclear Insurers:

American Nuclear Insurers

http://www.amnucins.com/

American Nuclear Insurers (ANI) is a joint underwriting association created by some of the largest insurance companies in the United States. Our purpose is to pool the financial assets pledged by our member companies to provide the significant amount of property and liability insurance required for nuclear power plants and related facilities throughout the world.

..and the LIES just keep on coming...

$50B

TEPCO has already received Japan government bailouts on the order of $50B.

TEPCO has been aimlessly swinging a mop about; in a vain attempt to clean the uncleanable. TEPCO contractors, at taxpayer expense, pressure wash radioactive fallout ... in circles.

There is not enough insurance money in the USA to clean up Fukushima or a USA disaster similar to the Atomic Explosion in Fukushima Daiichi Unit #3. There is certainly not enough money in the miniscule SHAM fund discussed above.

The fund is window-dressing and nothing more.

Bernie Madoff had a more substantial and liquid scam. The NPP Ponzi Scheme is spiralling down.

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Exellent post. Thank you.

Great post! Totally agree

Great post! Totally agree with all you said, well stated. The risks and costs of nuclear energy outweigh its benefits by so much that I cannot believe the insanity of continuing to defend this technology that we don't know how to control when sh...hits the fan in the form of earthquakes, floods, or fires. The two main causes for this self-destructive pursuit are: 1. greed (tons of money to be made in the industry) 2. weapons production (aka: power and fear). We need to get at those underlying causes in order to abolish nuclear power and weapons across the world and foster solar, wind and alternative energy production along with world peace. (According to the IPCC, 80% of the world's energy needs can be met with alternative energy sources in the next 20 or so years).

Perspective

Phew – where do I start – have little time!

I’m afraid you are barking up wrong tree. Rod (above) has said much of what I wanted to say to be honest. Justification, Optimisation and Limitation are indeed developed by ICRP and used by IAEA etc. One person (you) will not be able to evaluate what ‘provides a net benefit’ – we can argue all day about that with respect to nuclear power production.

However, since the dose limits are currently based on LNT, and since you state that one child death (leukaemia etc) is one too much, then by the same basis you must be against: Dental x-ray, other diagnostic x-rays, nuclear medicine, radiotherapy, feeding your kid a banana for breakfast, taking your kid on holiday (flying), taking your kid to Cornwall in the UK, leaving in your house in Aberdeen (Scotland) etc.

As Rod has pointed out: at least 25% of everyone alive today will die of cancer.

You want zero accidents! If that is the case I guess you support the following: No driving, no flying, no wall paper pasting (working up a ladder), no kids riding their bike for the first time, no kid learning to swim, no eating (choking on food) – indeed no living.

Today – over 100 people have been burnt alive / blown up – have you read the news (12/09/2011). You should be outraged by that – I look forward to your next post – anything involving the transport of fuel (accepting that this accident was clearly derived from poor practice), should clearly be banned for good. There is no perspective in your article at all.

...Critical thinking

How does one danger lessen another that's stupidity at its best.

Denial

The industry is in denial and Homer Simpson is in charge of safety!

No its not

Your reply is stupidity. My comment at this time was not to argue for and against nuclear power in terms of ‘justification’ - that is for another day. You cannot evaluate the ‘danger’ / risk / hazard from a process without understanding it in context. You have to have energy (for example).

It is not about one danger lessoning another – it’s about making decisions based on risk. “Unless it can be proven that ZERO accidents will happen in the future” – that is what the poster states at the bottom. You cannot live life on that basis.

As a country we leave heroes to pay doc bills

I agree great post, one is to many if it is u or your child then all the formulas / statistics/ equations/ mean nothing to you u are faced with something like the nine eleven responders are seeing complete and utter hogwash sorry we aren't covering your cancer costs as no proof of a correlation exists to the work you did in a toxic cloud at ground zero or digging through toxic debris looking for human remains.ya right !so if u develop leukemia or your child does and u happen to live next to a nuke plant sorry no correlation exists.ya right!
If the heroes of nine eleven can't get there cancer bills paid we as a country are far far away from recognizing the truths written in your post sad but true.

Thank you for acknowledging my post - where are the others?

Thank you for acknowledging my post. I'm wondering why there have been no other comments?

I sense a deafening silence in the room. Did my post hit a nerve? Is anyone listening?

How often do we take time out of our busy lives to reflect, even for just a moment, on how our current actions might someday adversely affect others?

How many of us are taught to ask ourselves what we want our legacy to be, what do we want most to be remembered for, when we one day look back on our accomplishments of the 20th and 21st centuries?

Will we be able to hold our heads high and say: "I'm proud of what I did, or what my colleagues and I did together, or the legacy my industry has left the world?"

All the inventions by the brilliant scientific minds of the world somehow don't seem quite as important as when we take time out to look into the suffering eyes of the child sickened by radiation exposure caused by the inventions of those same "brilliant" scientific minds.

My heart goes out to all the poor children in Japan and elsewhere who have suffered or will suffer due to radiation exposure. :-(

Sunlight, smoking and stress cause cancer too..

When it comes to small samples and looking at cancer there is no way to get good results. Cancer rates are affected by so many things.

Scientists have thought for a long time that low radiation doses could actually reduce cancer risk. But it has never been proven, even with large samples and good data because at low doses there are too many variables so no way to be sure. (Work on radon and cancer by someone called Cohen)

One thing I would point out though it that the link to that article (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110727p2a00m0na010000c.html)
no longer works.. I have a feeling it might have been revoked from the newspaper??.

25% - 35% of ALL workers in ANY field will die of cancer

It is amazingly ignorant to point to the fact that 9 out of 10 of the nuclear workers who contracted cancer were exposed to less than 100 mSv/year.

The vast majority of all nuclear workers are exposed to lower doses than 100 mSv/year.

It would worry me if you could point to all of the workers who received MORE than a small quantity of radiation exposure and then prove that they had a measurably higher rate of contracting cancer than the general population.

The reality is that all of the studies done of large groups who have received occupational radiation exposure (nuclear shipyard worker study and others) plus the studies of the Taiwanese apartment dwellers who were accidentally exposed to elevated doses as a result of contaminated steel used during construction as well as studies of populations like those in Ramsar, Iran that are exposed to much higher than average doses from their environment all show that low levels of radiation seem to result in lower incidences of cancer than found in the general public.

Some people who hate nuclear energy dislike being confronted with this evidence and they claim that all of those studies just expose the "healthy worker effect", but disregard the fact that the apartment dwellers and the population in Ramsar are not covered by that assumption.

You also point to the single source book that was purposely designed by its author and editor to inflate the numbers of effects as a result of Chernobyl and claim that it summarizes "peer-reviewed" papers when even Janette Sherman, the editor, describes the sources as "published articles" often from media sources, not peer reviewed scientific journals. She implies, however, that there is some kind of vast conspiracy among all of the English language journals to ignore work that was written in Slavic languages.

You complain that no one is reading or commenting on your post. Here I am, with a signed name and identity. Would you care to respond to my comment with something similar?

Rod Adams
Publisher, Atomic Insights

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There is nothing I like better than responding to anonymous web commenters who state that my effort to share nuclear knowledge is somehow 'frightening."

My main motive for continuing to blog at Atomic Insights (http://atomicinsights.com) is to do my little bit to expose the facts about atomic fission, radiation health effects, and the benefits of reliable, carbon free energy that happens to be cheaper than coal.

I sometimes digress into discussions of the motives of the people who have been engaging in a well-funded fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) campaign against nuclear energy for at least five decades, ever since the coal lobby figured out that nuclear power plants really could permanently replace them in any market where a plant could be constructed.

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