Absorbed Dose Is Meaningless When Considering Interactions at the Cellular and Molecular Levels.

The upshot is that "dose" is an effectively meaningless term yet the industry's regulators have no other terms with which to assess and quantify risks. Reassurances about "trivial doses" are revealed as empty. Comparisons of external dose received while flying are not comparable to internal dose when considering low dose, short range radiation effect microscopically on DNA especially from exposure to high density alpha radiation. In other words, where hot or warm particles or Plutonium or Uranium are located in body tissue or where sequentially decaying radionuclides like Strontium 90 are organically bound (e.g. to DNA) “dose” means nothing. This is massively significant. Official radiation risk agencies universally quantify risk in terms of dose. Their public reassurances fall to the ground. They can no longer compare nuclear industry discharges with the 2 millisieverts we get every year from natural radiation, or the cosmic rays you’d receive flying cross-country.

ICRP is the source of official radiation risk estimates used by governments, the NRC and regulators world-wide. The science on which ICRP bases its advice is invalid for certain types of exposure - those involving radioactivity inside the human body, especially where the elements become bound in body tissue and even more especially where they have a chemical affinity with DNA, like Uranium and Strontium which mimic calcium.

The essence of the problem lies in ICRP's use of the concept of absorbed dose for all types of radiation exposure. Absorbed dose is an average of energy expressed in terms of Joules per Kilogram mass of tissue. This is valid for external radiation, like X-rays and cosmic gamma rays, but is obvious nonsense for alpha radiations, which travel a very short distance but do a lot of local damage. There are many types of exposure where the radioactive decay of a particle or an indiviual atom causes a very high density of ionizations, killing or mutating an individual cell, while giving no dose at all to other cells. The ICRP approach assumes that the energy is averaged across the whole body or a whole organ.
Officially, and according to supporters of nuclear power and radioactive weaponry, the scientific shortcomings of ICRP's position are acceptable because there is no epidemiological evidence that risk estimates based on ICRP are out of line with reality. This is why these people put so much energy into denying the health effects of Chernobyl. It's also why it is vital to track the fallout from Fukushima and its long-term effects on public health.

ICRP admits that their absorbed dose system is used because of it's utilitarian value, even though it does not take into account low dose, short range radiation. Dr. Busby on utilitarianism and low dose: "One alpha tract across a cell will give you a dose of half a seivert and will probably kill the cell. Now what's going to happen when you put a particle in there which is solid plutonium or uranium which produces this radioactivity intrensicly, you're getting very high level of local high density radiation. The external risk assesment model doesn't represent the risk from that kind of exposure." ..."I do lots of court cases and when the nuclear industry tries to use the ICRP model in court they lose." http://vimeo.com/15398081

For densely ionising radiation (charged particles from neutrons and alpha-particles) and low doses of low LET radiation, the frequency of events in most cells is zero, in a few it is one and extremely exceptionally more than one. The value of energy imparted in most individual cells is then zero but in the hit cells it will exceed the mean value by orders of magnitude. These large differences in the energy deposition distribution in microscopic regions for different types (and energies) of radiation have been related to observed differences in biological effectiveness or radiation quality.

CERRIE: DOSE IS “MEANINGLESS”

"… There are important concerns with respect to the heterogeneity of dose delivery within tissues and cells from short-range charged particle emissions, the extent to which current models adequately represent such interactions with biological targets, and the specification of target cells at risk. Indeed, the actual concepts of absorbed dose become questionable, and sometimes meaningless, when considering interactions at the cellular and molecular levels."
from CERRIE (Government's Committee Examining Radiation Risks of Internal Emitters) Majority Report Chapter 2 Risks from Internal Emitters Part 2 paragraph 11. See www.cerrie.org for full report. http://www.cerrie.org/

For radiations emitted by radionuclides residing within the organ or tissue, so-called internal emitters, the absorbed dose distribution in the organ depends on the penetration and range of the radiations and the homogeneity of the activity distribution within the organs or tissues. The absorbed dose distribution for radionuclides emitting alpha particles, soft beta particles, low-energy photons, and Auger electrons may be highly heterogeneous. This heterogeneity is especially significant if radionuclides emitting low-range radiation are deposited in particular parts of organs or tissues, e.g. plutonium on bone surface or radon daughters in bronchial mucosa and epithelia. In such situations the organ-averaged absorbed dose may not be a good dose quantity for estimating the stochastic damage.

ICRP throws in the towel
At a meeting in Stockholm, 22 April 2009, Dr Jack Valentin, Scientific Secretary Emeritus of the ICRP admitted that ICRP's risk model could not be applied to post-accident exposures because the uncertainties were two orders of magnitude.
The next day, Deputy Director of Strålsäkerhetsmyndigheten, Carl-Magnus Larsson also said the ICRP model could not be used to predict the health consequences of accidents. He added that for elements like Strontium and Uranium which bind to DNA national authorities would have the responsibility to assess the risks. Another SRM member said that the Secondary Photoelectron Effect was well recognised, also that in 1977 the ICRP had considered a weighting factor ”n” for elements which bind to DNA but had not implemented it.

http://llrc.org/

"ICRP is the source of

"ICRP is the source of official radiation risk estimates used by governments, the NRC and regulators world-wide" I think BRAWM uses the results of the BEIR VII report, not the ICRP model, are they the same? http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/UCBAirSampling/FAQ#riskmodel

I admit the posting is

I admit the posting is superb.

Like the post thank you op.

Huh, a lot people like to shoot it down.

I think it is relevant and just bear in mind that just because a paper is "not published" in a scientific journal does not make it false information.

Many many scientific journals and journals of medicine are funded by large corporations that like to have their spin to twist the data. Just like main stream media has a certain "spin" for political and monetary gain.

The evidence is in the "species" look at the sick children, the damaged dna of plants and animals. There you will see in broad daylight, no microscope needed, with your very own two eyes the damages. Then you can break down the information to the cellular level and go from there.

You can not tell me that a child born with multiple defects, is not evidence.

Considering that region was

Considering that region was a dumping ground for numerous chemicals, I would say it is not evidence. Correlation is not causation, that whole region had crappy health before Chernobyl. One has to prove definitively that it was radiation that caused those effects and not exposure to chemicals.

Tepco didn’t even have any

Tepco didn’t even have any plutonium detecting instruments after the MOX reactor blew up. When told by the press about other scientists detecting plutonium they finally got some machines in late March. Then they proudly announced they were monitoring and had found traces of plutonium. Hello? You had the damn French deliver the MOX crap last year on a secret ship and you didn’t even have any monitoring equipment?

The French surely picked the right bunch to start up the most deadly nuclear reactor ever unleashed on humanity.

Is the third paragraph your

Is the third paragraph your words or @ what link is it from it makes perfect sense but confused about the source or link

The third paragraph is my

The third paragraph is my attempt at quoting some of Dr. Busby's comments verbatim from the video: http://vimeo.com/15398081

third paragraph

Sorry, previous post was 4th paragraph. The third is cited from http://llrc.org/ 'dose concept' quoting: 'The 2005 Recommendations of the International Commission on Radiological Protection'

SO I take it you complain

SO I take it you complain that there is no way to measure the health effects of absorbed dose, and the idea of dose equivalent is too faulty to give an accurate picture of the health effects. Considering there has been absolutely no evidence that small amount of radiation is harmful, even when it is internal, what do you see is the problem? Every study that has looked at low level radiation exposure has found zero evidence of damage. Dr. Busby is a terrible researcher. When thousands of scientist say one thing, he always claims the opposite is true. However, he never has any evidence for it. I would have a lot more respect for him if he could provide scientific evidence for his claims.

Take a look even the EPA

Recognizes different slope factors for exposure routes. now for busby I see him as a pioneer in his field whether u agree with that or not his data reporting is a good thing . I have watched only the presentation in Japan and was impressed by his data and testing method to show alpha rays not so much by his political philosopy which he definitely mixes in .we all know the science is evolving to do with low level exposures to radiation it's not scientific fact .The only thing for sure I see is The "Stochastic effect, or "chance effect" is one classification of radiation effects that refers to the random, statistical nature of the damage. In contrast to the deterministic effect, severity is independent of dose. Only the probability of an effect increases with dose. Cancer is a stochastic effect."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/heast/docs/heast2_table_4-d2_0401.pdf

BBC puts Busby head-to-head with NRPB's Michael Clark in a

BBC: But your research hasn't been peer reviewed has it?

CB: No. The reason for that is that there hasn't been time. I believe, in the case of these sorts of discovery, that they should be made available to the public fairly quickly. The peer review process takes a very long time ..

BBC: But isn't there a danger, if it's not peer reviewed, then your claims will be dismissed as scaremongering?

CB: Well of course, some people can dismiss them as scaremongering, but what people should do is look at the research and look at the numbers, rather than attacking me. I mean the numbers in this leukaemia cluster in Chepstow; there's no problem there - nobody can say that the numbers are wrong. These people exist, and not only that, but Stephen, for example, said that there were two children at school with him, in his class, that had leukaemia. Now these children were not on my database, so this would suggest that the situation is actually worse than what I have found.
http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/youandyours.htm

Why Ms. Coulter, I do

Why Ms. Coulter, I do declare! LOL!!

attempting character assassination?

If you are going to try character assassination of a world renown epidemiological researcher, you'll have to do better than that! Supply some evidence for your statement.

Well, considering almost all

Well, considering almost all of his papers are not published in science journals speaks volumes. If he was correct in his statements, journals would publish them. Many biologists have also questioned his ideas about cell damage. I do not remember the name of the paper, but he concluded that internal radiation affects the cells in a certain way. The problem was that the conclusion he drew was the exact opposite of what happens in cells that are damaged. I think they talk about this on the wiki article about him. Here is my problem with him. Even in my field there are scientists that believe things that are opposite the common held belief. These scientists publish their results in journals, and then are refuted later by scientists. Busby doesn't even publish his results in journals. He claims to be a scientist, yet he fails to follow the current scientific process. He would have a lot more respect in the scientific community if he did.

no evidence that small amount of radiation is harmful?

Please keep in mind we are talking about internal radiation. I'd like to refer you to NYAS translation of: 'Chernobyl: The Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment' http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf

I have a read a good portion

I have a read a good portion of that book. First, it does not provide scientific results. Its conclusions are as scientific as Kaku's book on crazy futuristic science. Their conclusions throw even basic statistical analysis out of the window. All evidence points to low dose radiation not being harmful at all. Even if it was harmful, its level of harm is so low we have yet to see it. We treat it as harmful, but we have not one piece of evidence showing it is.

Scientific Results

The New York Academy of Sciences (NYAS) translation of 'Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment' is a compliation of over 5000 world-wide peer reviewed scientific publications. If that's not good enough for you to qualify as 'scientific results', well I wonder what could possibly satisfy your statement "it does not provide scientific results" On what grounds do you now attempt assasination of such a momentus scientific publication?
Perhaps you, Mr Anonymous, would be able to read the following shorter publication in entirety before also rejecting it as unscientific: 'Health Effect of Chernobyl 25 Years After The Reactor Catastrophe' it can be downloaded for free at: http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/chernob_report2011webippnw.pdf
Not only is it shorter, but it's much easier for the layman to understand.

A compilation of 5000 peer

A compilation of 5000 peer reviewed scientific publications is not a scientific result. Taking all of those results, then applying their conclusions using faulty statistics is not a scientific result. I do not need to read the easier one, I understood the NYAS one. I am not an expert in statistics, but it is easy to tell when they are being used poorly. The Chernobyl book is a book, not a scientific paper nor a scientific result. It was published by the NYAS as a general reading book, which caused a huge backlash from the scientists who are part of the NYAS.

the point is...

... that the Chernobyl book simply reports the findings of the 5000 peer reviewed studies. Are you saying that the book's authors are misreporting the studies? Even if they are misreporting the studies (which would take some proving), then you would have to say that the authors of all those 5000 studies are lying or mistaken. Hmmm.

I am saying they are

I am saying they are misrepresenting the studies. For example, lets say they have studies in the book that show an increased rate of lung cancer in the region. Now on page 2 of the book, they claim that since dose is difficult to correlate to a disease, they assume all diseases are caused by any dose. So basically, any disease that happened in the region is attributed to Chernobyl. I hope you see the fault in this statement. It does explain why they get a number orders of magnitude greater than every other study.

Rejection of NYAS Publication as Non-Scientific

Again, as you reject the first reference (NYAS Publication), I direct your attention to NIRS publication, at least the abstract ('Summary of Findings') found on pp 4-5 of: 'Health Effect of Chernobyl; 25 Years after the Catastrophe: http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/chernob_report2011webippnw.pdf
It points out that 'the ICRP's dose limit for 100 mSv for tetragenic damage has been invalidated by numerous studies...' and 'The lower the radiation, the longer the latency period before the outbreak of cancer...'
It will do you no good to lie in a state of denial while refusing to accept the results of peer review journals or refusing to read the literature on the subject.

ICRP model vs ECRR model

Regardless of you think of Dr. Busby, the following is a very good discussion regarding the 2 models ICRP and ECRR, which is well worth your time to view. It is between Dr. Busby (ECRR model)and Dr. Jack Valentin, Phd Genetics, Scientific Secretary, International Commission of Radiological Protection (ICRP model):
http://vimeo.com/15382750

I will check that out.

I will check that out. Sounds interesting.

Ok I want to make two points

Ok I want to make two points here, one about the article itself, and one about the journal. First, The NIRS article makes a lot of different statements about the effects of radiation and has cited a lot of papers. I have looked over the papers it cites and I have found that the conclusions the NIRS paper draws are different than what was concluded in the papers they cite. Specifically you can look at the section on genetic defects in children due to parents exposure. Now I have learned that there has never been evidence for his, even from the one truly good study of radiation effects (The Hiroshima study). The The article also cites the NYAS book, which as you know I have major faults with it, as does every health physicist. This is not a scientific paper. The authors picked out the exact articles they wanted to include, and ignored the ones that contradicted their conclusions.

The major point I want to make is this. If I were to show you evidence that low dose radiation is healthy for you, would you believe it? My guess is no, but there studies do exist and are performed by non activist, non nuclear industry scientists that have that conclusion. Every paper and article you present is funded by antinuclear groups. Now if I were to present you with articles funded by Westinghouse and GE, I presume you would not agree with their conclusions. If you really want to argue the dangers of low dose radiation, you need to provide evidence from non biased groups, such as universities. Otherwise, you are only looking at books and papers by people with an agenda, and they will ignore all the evidence that contradicts their agenda.

Studies Showing Harmful Effects of Low Dose Radiation

Low dose radiation is "healthy"??? Please show us links to exactly which "studies do exist."

Such a statement, that "low dose radiation is healthy," would be laughable if this kind of misinformed belief wasn't so dangerous in and of itself. Such lack of understanding makes one vulnerable to further deceitful lies from an industry who has spend billions of dollars and countless efforts trying to minimize or hide the truth of the increased health risks from even low dose exposure to radiation.

Here are some helpful references on the subject of harmful effects of low dose radiation:

Try Googling John Gofman's writings, PhD, MD, former UC Berkeley professor emeritus and former lecturer at UC San Francisco, who helped establish the first Bio Medical Research Lab as part of early nuclear research studies at Lawrence Livermore.

Gofman on the health effects of radiation: "There is no safe threshold."

He talks about studies revealing the ill effects of radiation exposure as well as the fallacy of the idea of "healthly low dose radiation" in a 1994 interview in "Synapse," a publication by the UC San Francisco: http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR/synapse.html

He states: "...ionizing radiation is not like a poison out of a bottle where you can dilute it and dilute it. The lowest dose of ionizing radiation is one nuclear track through one cell. You can't have a fraction of a dose of that sort. Either a track goes through the nucleus and affects it, or it doesn't. So I said 'What evidence do we have concerning one, or two or three or four or six or 10 tracks?' And I came up with nine studies of cancer being produced (http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR/RIC/chp21F.html#part1) where we're dealing with up to maybe eight or 10 tracks per cell. Four involved breast cancer. With those studies, as far as I'm concerned, it's not a question of 'We don't know.' The DOE has never refuted this evidence. They just ignore it, because it's inconvenient. We can now say, there cannot be a safe dose of radiation. There is no safe threshold."

Also, try read more literature on the subject by Googling "Karl Morgan", another former nuclear health physicist.

Read this excellent and HIGHLY illuminating excerpt, "The Problem, Nuclear Radiation and It's Biological Effects" from the book: "No Immediate Danger, Prognosis for a Radioactive Earth," by Dr Rosalie Bertell: http://ratical.org/radiation/NRBE/NRBEtoc.html

Read this great overview of similar resources in this blog article: "Low-Level Doses of Radiation Can Cause Big Problems: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/04/cumulative-low-level-doses...

Finally, be sure to read John Gofman's book "Poisoned Power" (online at: http://ratical.org/radiation/CNR/PP/) for a behind-the-scenes history of the nuclear industry. Read how he was pressured to withhold the results of his studies on the harmful effects of low dose radiation by the NRC's predecessor, the Atomic Energy Commission.

Ask yourself why many of the original radiation health physicists on the Manhattan Project like Gofman and Morgan, as well as people like Chris Busby, ended up dedicating the rest of their lives informing the public, warning them about the true dangers of low doses of radiation?

Why have some former nuclear engineers done similar things, some turning whistleblower, saying their consciences would no longer let them remain working for an industry that was poisoning our planet? (See former nuclear engineer in Japan discussing TEPCO's pressure for him to lie about defects at power plants there: http://criticality.org/2011/05/whistleblower-shutdown-17-nuclear-reactors/)

Knowing the tragedy unfolding in Japan and the countless lives who will be affected by exposure to the radiation from Fukushima, it is shocking that anyone would still try to lamely claim radiation is "healthy" for you. Please, have some respect and compassion for those who are suffering both the real physical effects of exposure as well as the psychological terror of not knowing whether they will be one of the "statistics" who will become seriously ill from their exposure.

Someone made an excellent observation in another area of this forum previously:

Despite health agencies like the WHO playing "dumb" to the "observed effects" of exposure to low dose radiation ("Well, we didn't observe it, so we can't prove it causes cancer"), with the latest advancements in genetic research, scientists will no doubt be able to find markers on the genes of exposed people who have become seriously ill, to finally pinpoint the cause of their illness as being their exposure to fallout from Fukushima.

And when that day of reckoning comes, finally, the veil of lies and misinformation will be able to be lifted and the truth will be revealed, as it becomes scientifically and irrefutably validated, once and for all.

The Truth will come out. It always, eventually does. We can only hope it isn't already too late.

Fine post Read thru all of

Fine post

Read thru all of Gofman's quotes in the link that someone posted in the "Chris Busby" thread ... and they're chilling ... just chilling.

http://www.whale.to/a/gofman.html

"Many people think nuclear power is so complicated it requires discussion at a high level of technicality. That's pure nonsense. Because the issue is simple and straightforward. There are only two things about nuclear power that you need to know. One, why do you want nuclear power? So you can boil water. That's all it does. It boils water. And any way of boiling water will give you steam to turn turbines. That's the useful part. The other thing to know is, it creates a mountain of radioactivity, and I mean a mountain: astronomical quantities of strontium-90 and cesium-137 and plutonium--toxic substances that will last--strontium-90 and cesium for 300 to 600 years, plutonium for 250,000 to 500,000 years--and still be deadly toxic. And the whole thing about nuclear power is this simple: can you or can't you keep it all contained? If you can't, then you're creating a human disaster."

Gofman must be turning in his grave after this latest catastrophe in Japan.

These lying industry shills may never be brought to justice in this life. "We can only hope" there's some supreme being up there somewhere who will hold the rotten bastards accountable for what they've helped do to this planet and to so many people...

I agree - all this endless suffering just to boil water?

Thanks for your thumbs up to my posting. :-)

I too was very impressed by that statement by Gofman when I first read it: All this needless suffering, just to boil water???

It is simply INSANE (as well as completely illogical on many levels) that any country would continue on a nuclear path. Any excuses of "there are no alternatives as good" or "we can't afford it" are asinine (pardon my French). I believe if we can continue to create so many amazing technologies, we can find viable alternative, safe energy sources. We need to gather the best, brightest, most creative minds (some of which may not yet be in college...) to come up with viable solutions.

We have just experienced (ARE experiencing) the WORST nuclear disaster in the history of our planet. We can't afford NOT to cease this senselessness. Please, those of you still "on the nuclear fence," don't just think of yourselves, think of our children, and our grandchildren and the legacy we are leaving them. :-( How will we be able to explain our actions up until now to them? How can we hold our heads high and look our children in the eyes and tell them the horrible truth? They deserve a happy, carefree childhood and a healthy future, safe from fear of future nuclear catastrophes.

Let's end this senselessness NOW, and give our children the bright, safe and healthy future they deserve.

Signed,

One VERY Concerned Mom