Sunburns?
I'm not sure how much I want to open this can of worms but I made and interesting observation: I was at work yesterday when I walked past a table of four and I caught them discussing how quickly they were all burned in the sun, how unusual it was for the amount of time spent etc etc. I'm the first one to scoff at some of the hypochondriac threads but that same day a few coworkers were discussing the same issue. Is there something to this? I've been getting scorched after spending five to ten minutes outside...but I'm a pretty pale individual. Can ionizing radiation from fission products cause sunburns?
sunburn
Yes, we have the sunburn issues here in S. Cal too. Even though it is still June gloom weather the sunburns are popping up everywhere. It is not normal at all.
Interesting thing about
Interesting thing about sunburns is that the levels of antioxidants, all, but also specifically vit E, are related to how well the skin can deal with sun damage, i.e. the less antixidants the faster the burn appears. Antioxidants are also crucial in helping the body deal with the damage from radioation and radioisotopes that there is a whole lot around now. Could be, just a guess, as no one is testing any of that, and no one ever will (where would be profit in such thing, eh?), is that our bodies use up more antoxidants than before and thus we burn faster.
I'm in CA and I've noticed
I'm in CA and I've noticed sunburns in people ever since the accident. They are an intense bright red burn. I've never noticed people complain about it as much as I have recently. If radiation creates sunburns on skin then why are we questioning what we are seeing? If there was a fire and we smelled smoke wouldn't we know it was from the fire?
shortcut to check radiation-linked symptoms
Hi folks, just for your interest and reference, there is a list of radiation-linked symptoms in the homeopathic materia medica and you can see them here:
http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Rad-b
you will see that some of them are quite unusual, eg Prickling sensation on end of tongue; Metallic taste
But these are among the main symptoms, with the skin burning/redness and nausea, that people here in Europe are associating with the radiation from Fuku. People are telling me that they have never had these symptoms before, so the syndrome we are seeing does not fit the usual common malaises that people are prone to.
I would also highly recommend the Yablokov book on Chernobyl and its effects, which is now available free online. Attempts have been made to discredit it by claiming that it is not peer reviewed science (yes, but it contains summaries/findings from a lot of peer reviewed studies) and that he attributes every illness to Chernobyl radiation (he does not--in line with common epidemiological practice, he simply observes correlations, without being able to firmly attribute causation).
If you cannot attribute the
If you cannot attribute the correlations to causation, then it is useless. He could then attribute all the increase in cancer in Europe to the Challenger explosion. He does have peer reviewed papers in his book, but he misuses their statistics. That is why his book is a book, not a scientific article.
Causality....
"Causality is a concept not subject to empirical demonstration." (David Hume 1739 'Treatsie On Human Nature').
I would not call all epidemiological studies useless, even though, by their very nature, they cannot prove causation. Fortunately we do have the precautionary principle, written into law in Europe, so that we do not always have to do the impossible in proving a cause absolutely.
Same observation here!
"..... how quickly they were all burned in the sun, how unusual it was for the amount of time spent etc etc. "
I was thinking this exact same thing the other day. I have a pretty standard amount of time that it takes to mow the lawns, and I'm not fair skinned. At the end of being out the other day, I had quite a bit of color from the sun - not at all normal, ever.
OP here: Okay. Very
OP here: Okay. Very interesting response from the forum. I have one more observation to add. Immediately after the incident (probably two weeks after the tsunami)I flew home to Denver to visit family. While I was there I noticed an unusual phenomenon which I pointed out to my mother, father, and brother who will all agree they witness it as well: Late in the evening, right at dusk, there appeared to be a prismatic ring around the sun. It was clear as day and occurred every night I was there. Remember now, Denver is the "mile-high city" and none of us are atmospheric experts but this was a highly unusual sight to behold. I pointed out the prism ring to my family and again THEY ALL will agree it was there, and you have to keep in mind these are folks that roll their eyes every time I've started to mention Fukushima and immediately try to change the subject, they know I have a tendency to worry so I think when I first expressed my concerns over the emissions they just chalked it up to another one of "my anxieties". So...the fact that they acknowledged the unusual occurrence says something about how unusual it actually is. I'm wondering if Xenon gas would cause these kind of fragmentation...er...bending of the light and could it possibly cause a magnification of UV? I recall someone once mentioning how clouds could magnify sunlight. I've seen halos around the moon when it's "about to snow" according to the old timers and this was nothing of the sort, this was a BRIGHT distinct prism of color, a rainbow I guess in a circle around the dusk sun. s
Someone else (or maybe you?)
Someone else (or maybe you?) posted a picture of that recently on another forum, so I for one know exactly what you're talking about, although I haven't seen it in my area.
Your kidding. No I was not
Your kidding. No I was not that poster. I hope a member of brawm might answer this question. Is it possible xenon gas causes distortion of light?
I've heard this from a lot
I've heard this from a lot of people. My hunch is that it is related only indirectly --
Something's atypical about our climate patterns, and our experience of the sun (I don't know if the latter is due to our own atmosphere or a changing sun or what). I won't go into it here, but there seems to be a lot of peculiarities being noticed on both those fronts.
Nuclear products are the (horrifically scary) canary in the coalmine (if you don't count all the mysterious animal deaths). Whether it be a tremendous earthquake, tremendous fire, tremendous flood, tremendous amount of jellyfish, unusual electrical input from the grid, or who knows what kinds of atypical input from the sun/solar system, the reactors start to malfunction.
Here's my big concern. Whatever the atypical climate patterns going on, they'd most likely get resolved and re-enter a more stable state relatively soon, I should think. However, this is really a moot point if all the reactors are melted down, waste storage is burned, missiles accidentally set off (I'm thinking of those underground missiles in Minot, all that flooding there seems like a concern) in the process... the re-stabilized planet may be a touch too radioactive to support anything other than radiophilic life - which most certainly does not include human beings.
Seems to me a smart species would take the financial blow to the jaw and disassemble and temporarily store these toys far from humans and fault lines while there's still time. After climate re-stabilization, we can figure out a long term strategy, as we might still be around to do so.
yep
Yes, we have noticed same thing in Europe, including, in some cases, sunburn without going out in the sun at all. I seem to recall that Professor Chris Busby has done some work on the synergistic effects of radioactive fallout with natural radiation from the sun. Sorry, can't recall where I saw it.
No it will not cause
No it will not cause sunburns. There is a condition that does occur that looks like a sunburn, but that requires an extreme acute dose, i.e. standing in front of an x ray machine for a few minutes. These burns look like sunburns but are completely different. They damage a deep layer of tissue and do not heal quickly., For example, if you get a sun burn in a few days you will still be red but with no pain. These burns will be red and painful for well over a month. People fail to realize that during a sunny day it could only take 10 minutes to get a sun burn if the atmospheric conditions are right.
OP here: I would tend to
OP here: I would tend to agree with your "Occham's Razor" approach to this but I have trouble ignoring how many people have mentioned this in passing....people that do not frequent the brawm forum or have invested any time or interest in this subject. Isn't there something to be said about that?
In April I was getting
In April I was getting sunburned skin, and I was only going outside for 10 to 15 minutes a day at the most (trying to avoid the fallout) only when necessary. I have noticed many friends with bad sunburns, and peely spots on their skin. Related? I believe so...I have never experienced this in my life or seen anything like it. Because the sun seems less intense now in the middle of the summer than in April is another clue.
yes
Likewise--never had this before mid-March but have had it on and off since then. Fact is, no one (as far as I know) has done comprehensive studies on reported symptoms in populations that are being exposed as we are. So I cannot see how anyone can say it doesn't happen at the levels we are seeing.
Wearing long-sleeved clothing helps as it mostly seems to happen on exposed skin. Oddly enough this is the advice given to children in radiated areas of Japan.
I am wondering if the long
I am wondering if the long sleeve shirts protect from the alpha and beta waves....but the gamma would be able to pass through buildings, thus being able to cause burns even if you are not outdoors.
Yes, no doubt in my mind
That was the first thing I noticed. Around March 16th, a friend and I spent a bit of time in the sun before the plume was supposed to arrive on our shores. Of course, it had already arrived, but we weren't told it wouldn't get here for a few days more - while the Obama family made a quick escape to Brasil.
Anyhow, we both got a sunburned very quickly. The burn did not act normally. First, the burning sensation was stronger than it should have been for the redness of the burn. Secondly, the redness didn't go away as quickly as it should have. It stayed for red and burning for over a week and our skin didn't get tanned afterward. There was no peeling. Thirdly, we felt waves of heat that made our faces flush, like feeling embarrassed, through the next few days. Then, around the 19th, we felt more hot flashes, enough to wake us up at night and we both started tasting the strange metallic taste, our lips tingled and we felt the pins and needles, but this time we were hunkered down indoors. Afterward, we were sick to our stomachs and felt a general malaise. My liver and spleen swelled up and were very uncomfortable. I'm still experiencing periods of liver and spleen swelling, but much less intense.
For months, I felt a a lot of burning on my arms, sometimes getting red, sometimes not, whether I was indoors or out. If I spent a minimum of 5 minutes in the sun without long sleeves, I'd get what seemed to be an actual sunburn.
I only go out into the sun to water my plants now - a maximum of 15 minutes. If I venture outside, I try to stay in the shade or cover up. I still feel a bit of burning that never seems to go away now. It is very slight. I don't know when it will go away completely, but hope it does soon, as it is annoying.
On top of that, it's monsoon season in the SW now. I went to a friend's house last week and got a few raindrops on me. By the time I got home each drop that had fallen on my skin was burning like mad. Washed my arms and legs off with soap and water and the burning diminished. I'm guessing tha thunderclouds reach higher into the atmosphere, hence more radiation falls out.
It's good to take steps to mitigate one's exposure. (At least there doesn't seem to be as much xenon in the air these days). Don't interact with dirt without protection, don't lay in the sun, don't eat foods that are strong bio-accumulators. Take things that pull radiation out of your body. Get plenty of rest. Do what you'd normally do to keep your immune system strong. The human body is an amazing organism. It can heal itself if it is given the chance.
Most of all, try to keep a calm and loving mind-set.
That doesn't mean we should stay quiet and not try to change our world for the better. Just means that guiding one's mind into a place of calm awareness and harmony is the best way to stay healthy.
That's right. NASA is
That's right. NASA is spraying lithium into the ionosphere to give y'all a good dose of that calm. Heheheheh.
That's a whole topic on it's
That's a whole topic on it's own. What are they spraying? I've noticed that here in CA. Anyone know? I am serious : /.
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/n
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4148#comment-8304
Great link, friend. My
Great link, friend. My suspicion is that the the appearance of rings around the moon, as noted by another person in this thread, and various other issues are related to whatever chemicals have been/are being sprayed for whatever reason, not from F radiation. I don't know what the heck is going on, but I've witnessed this crap from these planes in central and south CA. It's almost daily, with very deliberate criss crossing, which do not dissipate but plume out and create an almost permanent haze.
litium
Oh good! I could use some of that.