Fukushima Spring (by the other Bill not Bill Duff). BRAWM Perspective.
I have been relatively silent here lately for a variety of reasons - mostly because there is not much that is new news and that the debates and arguments that I think are important continue, but somewhat muted due to things being pretty much played out (barring new revelations).
For awhile I contemplated writing an essay or account called "Fukushima Spring" for publication to simply follow the events and the emotions and feelings I had as well as the effect on all of us - the whole Earth.
Pregnant women and children exposed to the worst imaginable risk of harm in high levels in Japan and to a relative degree less (and we don't know what the relativity is) here in the U.S. and around the globe (mostly the Northern Hemisphere).
All that lives may well be altered in some way either now or in future generations due to genetic changes and mutations caused by Fukushima. Lives liquidated by cancer or spontaneou8s abortions or other radiation related illnesses will end genetic lines in human beings and all species.
And what do we really know from all this?
What we know is that it is really impossible to know exactly how catastrophic and damaging these events will turn out to be.
BRAWM tells us that these are miniscule risks but others with different (and sometimes much better) credentials tell us that the risks are substantial and potentially horrific.
But until studies and analyses are done we continue to be operating in a vaccuum of info: emptiness, really.
I walk aroud my yard and garden and wonder which plants, which berries, which vegetables are safe or "safer". I wonder how much of the plants are composed of radiocesium or even strontium or hot particles and I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. It is a frustrating experience, a sad one.
I have at times referred to my own experience with my kids and spouse (and myself) who, according to an MD, have thyroid problems "probably" caused by swimming in water near the effluent pipes (less than a mile away) at a nuclear plant (no warning signs there at a public beach)where we used to live. The problems have been devastating for us.
I became much more active for a while providing some support for the group "Radiation and Public Health Project" which tests baby teeth for Strontium 90 and does epidemiological studies of the impacts of nuclear power plant emissions and effluents. Their scientists and doctors also worked with whistleblowers and were involved in NRC hearings on safety issues - and so I learned a lot.
I learned not to trust official reports and studies which might be skewed (or outright falsified) by industry influence or bias and to trust those who seemed motivated by the best interests of humanity and not by government or industry.
But I also learned to trust facts.
The fact is that BRAWM does not have all the facts. These folks have been wonderful in many ways but they are not health physics specialists and they (or some of them) have an interest in projecting confidence in what they tell usw, the status quo, the safety of what we are exposed to.
My experience has been quite different. I am not a scientist but I do have a doctorate and have worked with some of the most preeminent physicists in this field as well as some of the researchers whom I trust (although they make mistakes).
My gut feling and experience tell me that the danger of these events is far worse than what we generally are led to believe. IF the socalled "hot particles" are even real and really made it to the US (a claim I have yet to see documented to my satisfaction - I like to see the data and challenge the presenter of the data as I do with BRAWM) BUT IF there are hot particles along with the Radiocesium and the effect of the radioiodine we were exposed to and POSSIBLY Strontium 90 or other seriously dangerous elements (or simply just some of the above rather than ALL OF THE ABOVE - Which remains possible) THEN the consequences may already be affecting us and out loved ones.
There is the danger of mass hypochondria too, but I will say unequivocally (and of course these are anecdotal) that I have witnessed or communicated with others who are experiencing health problems and been aware of other unusual things such as metallic taste, shortness of breath, dizziness, metallic looking clouds, yellow rain, etc etc etc -- all which MAY or may NOT be related.
We just don't know.
But BRAWM's perspective, sadly, seems to be that THEY KNOW! All is well. This is not so bad, so serious, one in a million or a billion chance of danger or cancer or deadly mutations.
But BRAWM cannot really give us these reassurances. They can provide us data. Epidemiologists can give us the anlysis relative to the health effects.
But BRAWM has failed, in my opinion, to provide ENOUGH data (although they are head and shoulders above any other source of information).
Where is the data on lettuce from California?
Tomatoes?
Peppers?
Corn?
Where is there any urinalysis? Even fecal anlysis (start with the cow dung maybe as we KNOW they have it in them)?
We have NO CLUE whether the single or handful of samples they have collected and tested is representative of what we all are being exposed to. There are simply too few samples in the food chain testing.
We are eating these foods now not knowing whether they have any contamination (or a lot of it). We know that as food is harvested and frozen the radiocesium may be there - in our freezers.
We STILL do not know if our everyday activities are safe or dangerous..
Sliding into home base. Playing in a sandbox. Digging in the garden.
BRAWM has failed to do ground level testing (as the public forced the Japanese government to do at less than 1 meter heights) for radiocesium etc.
When we change the air filter in our cars (as Arne warned about) or mow the lawn or do haying or scrape the paint off our house for repainting or change the air filters in our hat and airconditioning systems? We have NO WAY OF KNOWING if there are hot particles or higher levels of cesium or even strontium or other damaging radionuclides.
We simply do not know enough and for all the kudos I MUST give BRAWM for what they HAVE done they simply have not done enough to give us what we need and it MAY NOT BE THEIR FAULT!
Our government has failed us. The industry is complicit in my opinion in crimes against humanity (the extent of which we can only guess) and BRAWM does not have the resources to do all that needs to be done.
YET BRAWM STILL seems intent on constantly reiterating the claim that (almost) all is well which rings so so hollow to me and to many of us.
This forum has kind of degraded into a ping pong match of gotcha: we are right or we are wrong but we REALLY DO NOT KNOW who is right.
I needed to vent. The NOT-KNOWING is the worst. Can I eat the raspberries growing in my yard. If I get a hot particle on one of them will I get colon cancer?
When I changed the air filter on my car did I expose myself to a far more deadly hot particle? When I scraped the old paint off my friend's house did I breathe in the crap from Fukushima and damaged my lungs further since part of the time it was unbearably hot and I would avoid the dust mask or forgot it the first day?
Nobody can tell me.
This is why I oppose all nuclear power plants forever. Germany is set to go totally renewables by 2050 and we can do it too.
BRAWM needs to own up to the fact that they really should not be reassuring us that all is well.
And we need to get more data, BRAWM.
Potatoes. Apples. Grapes. Lettuce. Tomatoes. Peppers. Squash.
More soil samples from more places.
ground level air sampling (to capture the floating dust etc which we live and work in).
The rest of us who oppose nuclear power need to remain active (peacefully) on all fronts.
and keep the dialogue going....


I was really hoping to get a BRAWM response
Primarily I want to know
1. if and when you wil begin testing more farm products?
and
2. whether there is any validity to my view that BRAWM's perspective is based on too little data to be really reliable with respect to the question of contamination spreading because there are too few samples of too small a spectrum of produce (food chain)?
and
3. whether ground level air tests are advisable and will you consider them???
and
4. Is it unreasonable to be concerned with hot particles which may be in dust, air filters, scraped exterior house paint, removed roofing materials and is there a way to evaluate this risk with your data so far?
Please, BRAWM, Mark, Dr Chivers, etc - can you respond???
Response
Hi Bill,
Apologies — we'e been busy, and you've brought up a lot to respond to. Here are my answers to your questions:
(1) We have a couple more samples to test, including (I believe) a hay sample. As levels have dropped in all the foods we have tested, it does not make practical sense to continue testing even the produce that we have already been testing.
(2) I think the take-away from our testing of the food chain is that yes, the fission products entered our food chain in trace amounts, but the levels are decreasing as time goes by and are hardly present anymore. We tested those items that were expected to show the highest levels of isotopes, such as strawberries and leafy greens. This is known from previous studies. Even in those, the levels are very tiny. I know that you would disagree, but we have spent an entire day (or sometimes days) counting those samples in very sensitive equipment, only to find that sure enough there are sometimes fission products poking up above our limits. Those amounts are dwarfed by naturally-occurring radiation, as we have discussed before with the milk.
(3) What do you mean by "ground-level air tests"? Could you point to a news story? Our air samples, though taken on the roof of the building, should be pretty representative of the air in our area. The levels are far below even the trace amounts we observed in March, and that should be true everywhere nearby.
(4) I have come to the opinion that "hot particles" are going to be much less dangerous than the fission product isotopes we have been measuring. We are still going to find out more about them in the future. Something to keep in mind is that these were found in abundance in Europe after Chernobyl. Atomic weapons also created hot particles. In particular, I would not expect nearly as many hot particles from Fukushima as from Chernobyl simply because in Chernobyl we had a reactor's pressure vessel explode and then burn for hours, scattering core material into the atmosphere. Even so, the activity from hot particles was much lower than the activity from the fission products like Cs-137. If actually present, hot particles from Fukushima should be only a tiny fraction of those from Chernobyl and atomic testing, and therefore not a great health risk.
As for what the risk is when you change an air filter or scrape house paint, etc., I think it is important to keep in mind that "radiation exposure is cumulative," as some phrase it. Those actions are brief, short-term exposures to perhaps only trace amounts of radiation from Japan. There might be no radiation at all. Frankly, chemical and particulate exposure are probably many thousands of times more risk to you in those activities. The only radiation exposure that has a chance of mattering is the stuff that you are constantly exposed to over long periods of time, such as your air, drinking water, milk, or vegetables. And our data show that someone living in the Bay Are would have only a very tiny dose from those sources over the last 4 months.
Please let me know if this is all clear to you.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
Thanks, Mark - and I guess I need to respectfully disagree more
or less...
Because I am not totally confident that there is enough data to rely on for my own comfort that additional tests on veggies would not be productive or that these are "tiny doses" (which is really all relative) I STILL would urge you to do one round or a few rounds of tests on lettuce, tomatoes and peppers, for example.
I simply do not feel I can rely on a lack of testing as an assurance that "there probably isn't anything much to worry about there".
It really boils down to a difference in philosophy about science. Lack of data is not data. I do not know what evidence there is that leafy greens and strawberries are more likely to show radiocesium months after deposits in the soil nor do I know of any data that hot particles are less likely or that scraping paint or other activities might not put one more at risk.
It is the point of my OP: I simply do not know enou8gh and want more data and not less to be reassured somewhat (as much as possible) that your assertions are correct.
I appreciate, however, your opinion and response.
As for "ground level" tests I got my info from NHK (Japan) news where civilians protested that tests high in the air were not reflective of real exposure on the ground (so Japan began testing at ground level - a few centimeters and one meter levels, as I recollect - to evaluate the amounts of dust or particulates in the areas where people, walk, play and work). Source:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/15_30.html
In any case I respct your opinion and simply feel there is insufficient data to be comfortable that the exposure is minimal and not potantially very harmful. I want to believe things are safer and better than I fear -- believe me, I do --- but there is simply not enough data to be reassured at all.
Tomatoes, Pepper, Corn, Squash??? BRAWM???
It seems to me that if the soil still contains cesium then it will be found in these products and would like to know IF that is true and wonder WHY you are not testing these products which have been growing since the spring and are being harvested now???
Please respond or tell us why such tests are not being done.
You committed to food chain tests and in this summer season i want to know WHICH products are testing free (or not) of radionculides for my family's safety. PLease, BRAWM, test and report!
Please BRAWM test the food
Please BRAWM test the food so we can be more sure. I would like to see tomatoes, peaches, apples, peppers, potatoes, and corn and wheat this harvest season. I need hard data to be reassured as do most of the people. Please help us and thank you for what you have done! Please provide some data on our food! Help protect our children!
A heartfelt thank you, Bill.
A heartfelt thank you, Bill.
Why doesn't BRAWM respond to this?
These are basic questions which need to be asked and the failure of BRAWM to respond at all (especially on wider food chain testing)undermines the credibility of their assurances that levels are safe and minimal.
We all need to know what foods (if any) aside from Milk and strawberries right now are contaminated.
Summer salad is nowwhere near as appetizing when I know it may be full of toxic cesium and, radioactive cesium to boot!
Why isn't BRAWM testing tomatoes, lettuce and peppers???
Or oranges, grapes, avocados, etc etc etc.
Are they afraid to or afraid to report this?
We who post here want to know if these foods are safe from California. If it is in the milk and is in the soil than it MAY be in the veggies being harvested now and the fruit soon to be harvested.
Is there any REASON BRAWM would not test these and tell us (from sources grown outside and not in greenhouses)?
Has it occured to you that
Has it occured to you that the easiest place to find radioactive materials is milk? It is bioaccumulated. Cows eat 20+ lbs of grass (or hay, which is another and trickier matter) per day.
Rainwater is another no brainer, since it is the #1 vector for fallout delivery.
BRAWM has been testing both since rainfall and milk since day #1. Very smart to go for the area where they are most likely to find results. These tests take time (think days of measuring)and resources and if you look at the gear they have, it's not like there's 50 test set-ups in a line, so it makes all the sense to test where they will likely find something.
I do agree that I would like to see more testing, and I hope these guys keep it up. But I also have to add that all levels they have found have been very low, and the more I learn, the more I understand that.
Other than BRAWM, we are on our own. So let's go easy here, as we have no right to demand anything from these guys. If you want to demand something, write a letter to your federal and local agencies, and good luck with that.
Can BRAWM afford to
Can BRAWM afford to compensate farms for the economic damage its findings could create?
Pencil Neck
Anonymous-999,
Eat Dirt, you pocket of pus. I do not wish to silence you, only to point out that you suck.
With regard to BRAWM scientific publication of observable physical properties... Even where we disagree or debate, with respect to interpretations, models, math and the physics.
I disapprove of what you (BRAWM) say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
http://public.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/l/liberty.htm
Evelyn Beatrice Hall (1868-1919)
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
-- The Friends of Voltaire, 1906
The phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is widely attributed to Voltaire, but cannot be found in his writings. With good reason. The phrase was invented by a later author as an epitome of his attitude. It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym Stephen G. Tallentyre.
...
Hall wrote:
...The men who had hated [the book], and had not particularly loved Helvétius, flocked round him now. Voltaire forgave him all injuries, intentional or unintentional. 'What a fuss about an omelette!' he had exclaimed when he heard of the burning. How abominably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that! 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now.
...
Hall herself claimed later that she had been paraphrasing Voltaire's words in his Essay on Tolerance: "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too."
Farmers Fight Back
When news of a Monsanto senior official's arrival from Mumbai reached the nearby village of Munjala, cotton farmers of the village Karanji, about 140 K.m. from Nagpur located the Monsanto official and took him to their field where a complete failure of ‘Paras Sudarshan’ Bt cotton seed was shown to him.
When the Monsanto representative failed to admit the lapse, he was severely beaten up by the farmers.
It was reported that even a local agriculture officer did not come to his rescue.
This, from accounts in daily papers in Vidarbha and the Marathwada region of Maharashtra where more than 4 million hectares under Bt cotton cultivation are reporting the flood of bogus seed supplied local agents of American cotton seed MNC giant Monsanto.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july122011/india-monsanto-beaten-tk.php
Please help children in
Please help children in Fukushima.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgaBUDFeb4
Unbelievable Comment by Dr. Yamashita
If you are smiling, you will not have any radiation effect.
If you are not smiling, you will have radiation effect.
What a Beautiful Post
Thank you
I wanted to ask you, what do
I wanted to ask you, what do you think now of your admired friend Joseph Mangano after it has been proven that he, together with Dr. Sherman, manipulated data in order to show an increase in infant deaths that wasn't there?
This is a BS claim
The data was accurate. But I do not know all the details of their studies or how they made their decisions.
An increase in deaths is alarming and they raised the QUESTION and showed data to support a concern. I admire that. Further research needs to be done and continued, but I am not going to play "gotcha" - they never claimed it was anything more than a POSSIBLE correlation of deaths to Fukushima releases.
It may be that in the long run and with more data they will be proved accurate. (For example in earlier months perhaps the data will show more accidental deaths and in the post fukushima deaths more "crib deaths" but all the data is not in so I have no opinion other than morew data and study is needed which is EXACTLY what Dr Sherman and Mangano were reporting.
It is real
Fukushima risks are real, and a real part of our lives now and forever or at least for a some 24,000 years or so.
Some mornings I wake up and feel the summer breeze coming through our bedroom windows and sliding door, it feels so good. I just want to grab my surfboard and hit the beach for an early morning surf session.
Then reality sets in. Ugh, the Pacific Ocean, the breeze, the air ! Frankly, even if researchers say it takes five years for the crap to arrive on our California shoreline from Japan, I am scared to swim now. I am afraid that the seaweed has gathered up a lot of cesium from the rain and fallout. Remember the seaweed test in Northern California ? What about the radioactive whales and great swimmers of the ocean ? Won't they play a role in spreading the radioactivity ? Dead whales, and fecal from contaminated radioactive sea mammals. OMG it makes me so sick inside I just want to vent my anger at TEPCO, GE, and the regulators. I feel so sick.
I wish it was just a bad dream. Can't I just wake up, hit the snooze and realize I was just dreaming this fricking nightmare ?!
The story of 300 school children picking radioactive tea !! What were they thinking ??!! Hello anybody home over there in Japan ? You just had a huge set of nuclear explosions, do not play in the gardens ! Use some common sense, or do they need to be told exactly what they can and can not do ? I really don't understand their actions.
Yes! Yes! This and Bill's
Yes! Yes!
This and Bill's comment above really express how I too feel.
How can anyone say they know, and that everything is safe? One would need much more information that what the people at BRAWM have access to.
BRAWM folks may be genuinely optimistic, but I feel betrayed when that optimistic hope is presented as a known future. And I'm not picking on BRAWM, they are actually one of the least guilty offenders of this. But since I am here on BRAWM's site and the folks might read it, I am letting them know about the way this harms their readers. We don't buy that you're omniscient, and we feel betrayed when you imply it in any form. We have been lied to and lied to and lied to and lied to by so many. Be humble, admit you do not know.
Every action is a question mark. Every purchase, every trip outside, every drink, every bite of food. That's the reality, a reality of unknowns. Many around me are oblivious and have no questions. As a result, their choices are more dangerous. The questions are my burden to bear to try to increase my chances of preserving my family's health, because I can't stand the alternative, but we shouldn't have only these two choices!
My life has been forever changed, so stop telling me that you know everything is going to be just dandy. Superman isn't coming. We don't know what the future holds, and we need to acknowledge that and come to terms with it.
"My life has been forever
"My life has been forever changed, so stop telling me that you know everything is going to be just dandy. Superman isn't coming. We don't know what the future holds, and we need to acknowledge that and come to terms with it."
What are you, fifteen? Welcome to the real world, I guess.
Not quite, though it would
Not quite, though it would be even more alarming for me personally if I was, as this will affect those still growing much more.
Welcome to the real world? Are you saying you questioned what your family eat, breathed, drank, on a constant basis before the triple melt through? I'm not a worrywort, so I did not, and never thought I would. It took something extremely dangerous to us for it to happen to me. I'm not sure why you imply that people who were not concerned before Fukushima are 15. The vast majority of people are still not concerned now - if it's not on the news, it's apparently not worth thinking about. Now that's alarming.
P.S. If it was the Superman
P.S. If it was the Superman comment that threw you, note that it was meant not to refer to any particular religion, but was a gentle reference to all those whose solution it is to pray or decide it is in a super-powerful being's hands.
There is a saying that "God helps those who help themselves" and that seems to be forgotten by those who decide based on religion that they need do nothing.
To your comment "There is a
To your comment "There is a saying that "God helps those who help themselves" and that seems to be forgotten by those who decide based on religion that they need do nothing."
This mentality is MUCH more predominant by those who decide that government is their superman and "they need do nothing" - regardless of political party.
Great points you made about pre F and post F way of living, and how our lives changed in an instant.
Maybe BRAWM isn't allowed to
Maybe BRAWM isn't allowed to say what really is happening. Couldn't they be silenced and have restrictions placed on them? Weren't reporters in Japan told they could not write on certain things anymore? I appreciate this site but have wondered if BRAWM is saying what they are allowed to say and nothing else.
Me again, the one not surfing...
To the superman poster, right on. Yes indeed. Our lives have changed and superman ( government, God, guru, or Mother Earth) is not going to save us you are right.
Every action we make is now carefully thought out and planned.
TEPCO remains unscathed. How is that possible ?
The system is rotten to the
The system is rotten to the core. Addressing its symptoms by this point is an unfathomable task.