Can BRAWM Provide Us With The Original Flight Data Upon Which The 'Airplane Analogy' Is Based?
I'd like to research the 'Airplane Analogy' from it's roots.
That begins with the raw data from the 'Radiation Detection' flights which
are not sourced in the FAQ.
I don't believe that data has been offered or discussed on this forum(?)
Such a discussion would be extremely educational for the public to know
about since it is so pivotal to the analogy.
Maybe someone for BRAWM or an anonymous can provide a link to that data?
That would be useful. The 'Flight Detection' data I refer to is:
_The dates when the data was compiled (Day/Month/Year)
_Along with the data
_Along with the exact type of aircraft which was flown to collect the data
(so we can compare differences with the current commercial aircraft to
which the analogy makes comparisons, in order to assure we are not
comparing apples to oranges)
That data wouldn't be the 'ER2 Data' would it?
Airplane dose references
- Altitude (higher altitude leads to more dose)
- Latitude (higher latitude leads to more dose)
- Solar cycle (higher solar activity leads to more dose)
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]It may be good to look at
It may be good to look at this analogy closer if it is based on theories that are outdated, biased, or flawed...especially if we are banking on it for public safety and the safety of our children. No?
Y'all might reconsider your
Y'all might reconsider your heckling of the BRAWM team. You may not agree with their analyses or the data upon which they rely, but if you'd like to make your own cocksure claims, perhaps you might start your own blogs or forums. Certainly there have been moments where the team has thanked members for making insightful commentary that may help them continue to refine their positions, but some of you tend to be quite confrontational. Not sure that's how you catch the flies.
If you go back and read all of the replies the team has made over these months, you'll see that many of these queries/complaints have already been made, repeatedly.
This is not to say that many of the issues you raise aren't without merit. It's just that you seem to jab unnecessarily.
NOT
This anonomous thread has been quite monotonous. The OP has been trying to ‘score’ some trivial debate point regarding the flight plan. Mark has handled that particular argument quite patiently and thoroughly. Here is another bit of Cosmic Ray history trivia.
http://www.ast.leeds.ac.uk/haverah/cosrays.shtml
The bigger issue remains the comparison of a 3 hour cross country airplain flight to plutonium particles in the lung, strontium in the bones and/or radioactive iodine in the thyroid. BRAWM and the Nuclear (military industrial) complex will defend this specious concept ‘to the death’. “That’s their story and they’re sticking to it”. That is the position of the industry, and SOMEBODY has to defend it. BRAWM is trying. I don’t blame them for the myopia of the industry. In point of fact, I admire their frantic tenacity.
Nevertheless, the premise is, by my lights, quite absurd. Without putting too fine a point on it, or leveling any personal accusations, I simply take Upton Sinclair at face value."It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
It is just a fact of life that denial comes easily where self-interest is involved. That is why we have public policy debates. It is not my intent to convince the industry or the BRAWM Team on this matter. Most of them actually even believe it. It is sufficient to convince the undecided jury, judge and public. Lives are at stake. The nuclear industry will continue to ‘trot this out’, until everyone in the room laughs out loud at them.
To a very sad extent, the nuclear industry is increasingly comfortable with a a combination of obfuscation, profits, regulatory capture and large-scale casualties. They do NOT, for the most part, recognize this. We see it. It is quite obvious, but they are too myoptic to grasp it. I gently share another Upton Sinclair quote, and again, not as an accusation. This is a warning beacon, to the public, as to what can occur, not a personal attack. "Fascism is capitalism plus murder."
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? Who is "heckling" them here? All I see here is concerned people asking questions about an analogy.
Perhaps "heckling" was poor
Perhaps "heckling" was poor word choice on my part. It's just that this has been repeatedly discussed. Those of you who choose to believe the airplane analogy, super. Those that don't, great (I personally don't buy it). I just don't see the point in hashing it out over and over and over again, when then've given their position more than once. I'd rather see more time spent testing food products than having to reiterate their stance on this.
Yes, I agree!
Yes, I agree!
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http://jag.cami.jccbi.gov./ca
http://jag.cami.jccbi.gov./cariprofile.asp
Dose calculator
http://www.hps.org/publicinfo
http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights.html
You may find this video
You may find this video interesting:
Air flight climb out to 39,000 feet radiation measured with Gamma Scout Geiger counter. Radiation on ground 0.10 uSv, radiation at 39,000 feet ~4.75 uSv.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3df0xhLHKc
That is interesting, but I'm only interested in the flight data
That is interesting, but I'm only interested in the flight data
upon which the airplane analogy rests. I'm certain that BRAWM
wouldn't make public statements on the news etc...if they didn't
have their 'ducks in a row'.
FYI- my last cross country flight was at 28,000 feet. The pilots
were trying to save some time and we were flying West against the
jetstream.
BRAWM has this on their FAQ
BRAWM has this on their FAQ section: "In our calculation we assume that a round trip plane flight from San Francisco to DC is 5 millirem."
Yes I know- thanks...
I've zero interest in 'assumptions' from BRAWM or the NRC.
There is a method to my madness. I assure everyone that the
last thing proponents of the 'Airplane Analogy' want is for
anyone to look at that flight data.
It will likely usher the 'Airplane Analogy' into a box which
contains little 'gems' like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
If it's a specific data set only available for purchase
If it's a specific data set/research material set, only available for
purchase, just let me know which data set it is and I'll purchase it online
if it's not available for free.
I too would like BRAWM to
I too would like BRAWM to answer this. Why the no reply? Too much picking and choosing questions to answer.