Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 15:38.
This whole study smells fishy.
Symptoms of Hypothyroidism include:
fatigue, exhaustion
feeling run down and sluggish
depression
difficulty concentrating, brain fog
unexplained or excessive weight gain
dry, coarse and/or itchy skin
dry, coarse and/or thinning hair
feeling cold, especially in the extremities
constipation
muscle cramps
increased menstrual flow
more frequent periods
infertility/miscarriage
After Kelp:Kirby's short and long-term memory became so impaired that she could no longer remember her home address. She also reported having a rash, nausea and vomiting
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 01:15.
This is kind of disturbing, hopefully since the study was released way back in 2007 they have got this straightened out.
"Overdosing
In 2007, doctors at the University of California, Davis, Occupational Medicine Clinic reported a case of arsenic poisoning related to kelp supplementation. The patient experienced hair loss, rash, memory loss, nausea and fatigue to the point of disability after taking daily kelp tablets. The tablets were tested and found to contain arsenic, but not enough to cause the severity of the patient's symptoms. Further investigation found that she had been taking four times the dose recommended on the label, resulting in an iodine intake of six times the recommended limit."
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 10:36.
The arsenic is naturally occuring, not from pollution.
"Arsenic is commonly found in seaweeds used as food (Rose et al. 2007). With the exception of hijiki, most arsenic found in food seaweeds is the organic form, recognized as less toxic than the inorganic form (Rose et al. 2007). The European Pharmacopoeia (European Pharmacopoeia Commission 2007) allows up to 90 ppm arsenic in kelp used in medicinal products, whereas food regulators have advised that consumption of hijiki—but not kelp or other seaweeds—be avoided due to arsenic concentrations in this species (Food Standards Agency 2004)."
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 14:33.
It is commonly found in seaweeds because the oceans are a military-industrial sewer. As the previous poster said, it's pollution, reflecting the contamination of our food supply at large.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 14:38.
Our study (Amster et al. 2007) was not intended to be a comprehensive survey of arsenic content in commercial kelp supplements, but rather to call attention to the large variability of arsenic concentrations. In his letter, Lewis suggests, without documentation, that “the arsenic most commonly found in seaweed and seafood products is relatively nontoxic,” that is, organic arsenic. In a recent study on arsenic content in ethanolic kelp and bladderwrack extracts, Krishna et al. (Krishna MVB, Brewer TM, Marcus RK, unpublished data) found that the majority (90–95%) of the arsenic present was inorganic arsenic, and only minor amounts of arsenic (5–10% of the total arsenic) were dimethyl arsenic acid. This finding suggests that the majority of arsenic in kelp supplements is the more toxic inorganic arsenic.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 14:39.
While this is true:
"Inorganic arsenic is significantly more toxic than pentavalent arsenic compounds, arsenosugars, and arsenobetaine [Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) 2007b]. Arsenobetaine is a common constituent of seafood and is considered nontoxic. Interestingly, the major organic arsenic compounds in most seaweed are arsenosugars, which are still much less toxic than inorganic arsenic. For example, in an in vitro cytotoxicity assay, inorganic arsenic was 50 times more toxic than the trivalent arsenosugar and > 600 times more toxic than the pentavalent arsenosugar (Andrewes et al. 2004)."
Observe:
"the majority (90–95%) of the arsenic present was inorganic arsenic"
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 15:17.
Abstract
This study has measured the content of total and inorganic forms of arsenic in seaweed available on retail sale for consumption, to provide data for dietary exposure estimates and to support advice to consumers. A total of 31 samples covering five varieties of seaweed were collected from various retail outlets across London and the internet. All of the samples were purchased as dried product. For four of the five varieties, soaking was advised prior to consumption. The recommended method of preparation for each individual sample was followed, and total and inorganic arsenic were analysed both before and after preparation. The arsenic remaining in the water used for soaking was also measured. Arsenic was detected in all samples with total arsenic at concentrations ranging from 18 to 124 mg/kg. Inorganic arsenic, which can cause liver cancer, was only found in the nine samples of hijiki seaweed that were analysed, at concentrations in the range 67-96 mg/kg. Other types of seaweed were all found to contain less than 0.3mg/kg inorganic arsenic, which was the limit of detection for the method used. Since consumption of hijiki seaweed could significantly increase dietary exposure to inorganic arsenic, the UK Food Standards Agency (FSA) issued advice to consumers to avoid eating it.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 14:47.
I believe you are absolutely correct. It is clearly stated:
"She was found to have very high arsenic levels which was traced to a kelp supplement she was taking. After stopping the kelp supplement, her arsenic levels gradually declined and her symptoms improved."
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 11:11.
Amster et al. (2007) reported findings from a case study involving a possible link between arsenic toxicity and the ingestion of a kelp-based supplement. The authors concluded that the arsenic-contaminated supplement was the likely cause of the neurologic, dermatologic, and gastrointestinal symptoms in their patient. Although the report has several methodologic shortcomings, the most serious flaw is the authors’ failure to recognize that the arsenic most commonly found in seaweed and seafood products is relatively nontoxic. This is in contrast to inorganic arsenic, which has well-documented acute and chronic toxicity.Amster et al. (2007) did not discuss the possibility that the arsenic measured in the kelp supplement was in the organic form, nor did they address the great variability in toxicity among arsenic compounds. These two oversights lead to the unsupported conclusion that the arsenic found in kelp is responsible for the unique set of medical conditions observed in their patient.
Submitted by Wardy (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 09:29.
How gross is our food supply? I suspect the average person is understandably inundated with so many threats that they simply tune out and "go with the flow," inadvertently by complicity supporting all that poisons them.
and from a GMO article, well said, Andrea Lane --
"What is the reason for governments to continue to try and cram these poison down the consumers throat? What is it about NO they do not understand? They do not rule us; they work for us. If certain knowledgeable people don't wish to consume GMO's, then what is their problem in trying to force-feed tainted products on knowing consumers? Obviously they have an agenda."
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2011-06-19 09:35.
and people wonder why Alex Jones is so emotional. Like he says, he is a red-blooded human being and it's human to be emotional about issues so fundamental!
"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulation is that the recommended dose must be low enough that the user does not receive more than 225 micrograms of iodine per day"
The FDA recommended iodine (KI) intake for adults to protected against I-131 is 130 milligrams/day (that's "milli" not "micro":
This whole study smells
This whole study smells fishy.
Symptoms of Hypothyroidism include:
fatigue, exhaustion
feeling run down and sluggish
depression
difficulty concentrating, brain fog
unexplained or excessive weight gain
dry, coarse and/or itchy skin
dry, coarse and/or thinning hair
feeling cold, especially in the extremities
constipation
muscle cramps
increased menstrual flow
more frequent periods
infertility/miscarriage
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/basics_starthere/a/symptoms.htm
Symptoms of arsenic poisoning include headache, confusion, convulsion, diarrhoea, vomiting, and in severe cases coma and death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic_poisoning
Kirby's symptoms
Before kelp: minor memory loss and fatigue
After Kelp:Kirby's short and long-term memory became so impaired that she could no longer remember her home address. She also reported having a rash, nausea and vomiting
This is kind of disturbing,
This is kind of disturbing, hopefully since the study was released way back in 2007 they have got this straightened out.
"Overdosing
In 2007, doctors at the University of California, Davis, Occupational Medicine Clinic reported a case of arsenic poisoning related to kelp supplementation. The patient experienced hair loss, rash, memory loss, nausea and fatigue to the point of disability after taking daily kelp tablets. The tablets were tested and found to contain arsenic, but not enough to cause the severity of the patient's symptoms. Further investigation found that she had been taking four times the dose recommended on the label, resulting in an iodine intake of six times the recommended limit."
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/469125-what-is-the-dosage-of-kelp-for-...
Lots of good reading on the subject here
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/search/simpleSearch.action?query=kelp&x=16&y=9
Supplements
And the supplement brigade complains when the FDA, etc wants to test and regulate...
Go figure.
To me this is more about
To me this is more about pollution and less about vitamins.
Arsenic
The arsenic is naturally occuring, not from pollution.
"Arsenic is commonly found in seaweeds used as food (Rose et al. 2007). With the exception of hijiki, most arsenic found in food seaweeds is the organic form, recognized as less toxic than the inorganic form (Rose et al. 2007). The European Pharmacopoeia (European Pharmacopoeia Commission 2007) allows up to 90 ppm arsenic in kelp used in medicinal products, whereas food regulators have advised that consumption of hijiki—but not kelp or other seaweeds—be avoided due to arsenic concentrations in this species (Food Standards Agency 2004)."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2137109/
(Somewhere, someone is about to protest: "But kelp is Natural!")
Had enough
Had enough distracto-troll?
You actually disproved yourself in your own post.
It is commonly found in
It is commonly found in seaweeds because the oceans are a military-industrial sewer. As the previous poster said, it's pollution, reflecting the contamination of our food supply at large.
Our study (Amster et al.
Our study (Amster et al. 2007) was not intended to be a comprehensive survey of arsenic content in commercial kelp supplements, but rather to call attention to the large variability of arsenic concentrations. In his letter, Lewis suggests, without documentation, that “the arsenic most commonly found in seaweed and seafood products is relatively nontoxic,” that is, organic arsenic. In a recent study on arsenic content in ethanolic kelp and bladderwrack extracts, Krishna et al. (Krishna MVB, Brewer TM, Marcus RK, unpublished data) found that the majority (90–95%) of the arsenic present was inorganic arsenic, and only minor amounts of arsenic (5–10% of the total arsenic) were dimethyl arsenic acid. This finding suggests that the majority of arsenic in kelp supplements is the more toxic inorganic arsenic.
While this is
While this is true:
"Inorganic arsenic is significantly more toxic than pentavalent arsenic compounds, arsenosugars, and arsenobetaine [Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) 2007b]. Arsenobetaine is a common constituent of seafood and is considered nontoxic. Interestingly, the major organic arsenic compounds in most seaweed are arsenosugars, which are still much less toxic than inorganic arsenic. For example, in an in vitro cytotoxicity assay, inorganic arsenic was 50 times more toxic than the trivalent arsenosugar and > 600 times more toxic than the pentavalent arsenosugar (Andrewes et al. 2004)."
Observe:
"the majority (90–95%) of the arsenic present was inorganic arsenic"
Abstract This study has
Abstract
This study has measured the content of total and inorganic forms of arsenic in seaweed available on retail sale for consumption, to provide data for dietary exposure estimates and to support advice to consumers. A total of 31 samples covering five varieties of seaweed were collected from various retail outlets across London and the internet. All of the samples were purchased as dried product. For four of the five varieties, soaking was advised prior to consumption. The recommended method of preparation for each individual sample was followed, and total and inorganic arsenic were analysed both before and after preparation. The arsenic remaining in the water used for soaking was also measured. Arsenic was detected in all samples with total arsenic at concentrations ranging from 18 to 124 mg/kg. Inorganic arsenic, which can cause liver cancer, was only found in the nine samples of hijiki seaweed that were analysed, at concentrations in the range 67-96 mg/kg. Other types of seaweed were all found to contain less than 0.3mg/kg inorganic arsenic, which was the limit of detection for the method used. Since consumption of hijiki seaweed could significantly increase dietary exposure to inorganic arsenic, the UK Food Standards Agency (FSA) issued advice to consumers to avoid eating it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17336439
Yes I am concerned about the
Yes I am concerned about the 10% that is 600 times more toxic. Also a man made poison.
Never mind that last post.
Never mind that last post. This is getting pretty confusing.
It's the inorganic that is
It's the inorganic that is more toxic, which according to the study cited by the poster comprised 90 to 95% of the arsenic measured.
Right. 90-95 percent man
Right. 90-95 percent man made poison.
It's true that the inorganic
It's true that the inorganic form is manmade pollution presumably from industry dumping waste into the seas.
I believe you are absolutely
I believe you are absolutely correct. It is clearly stated:
"She was found to have very high arsenic levels which was traced to a kelp supplement she was taking. After stopping the kelp supplement, her arsenic levels gradually declined and her symptoms improved."
Link or you stink. I can't
Link or you stink. I can't find one reference stating "She was found to have very high arsenic levels".
I just put it into google.
I just put it into google. Why couldn't you?
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22She+was+found+to+have+very+high+arseni...
You have to google your own
You have to google your own quotes? Hmmmm....
I was kind of hoping for proof, like a positive test for "very high levels" not one guy in his blog summarizing the study, reposted a hundred times.
Where is this quote from?
Where is this quote from?
Amster et al. (2007)
Amster et al. (2007) reported findings from a case study involving a possible link between arsenic toxicity and the ingestion of a kelp-based supplement. The authors concluded that the arsenic-contaminated supplement was the likely cause of the neurologic, dermatologic, and gastrointestinal symptoms in their patient. Although the report has several methodologic shortcomings, the most serious flaw is the authors’ failure to recognize that the arsenic most commonly found in seaweed and seafood products is relatively nontoxic. This is in contrast to inorganic arsenic, which has well-documented acute and chronic toxicity.Amster et al. (2007) did not discuss the possibility that the arsenic measured in the kelp supplement was in the organic form, nor did they address the great variability in toxicity among arsenic compounds. These two oversights lead to the unsupported conclusion that the arsenic found in kelp is responsible for the unique set of medical conditions observed in their patient.
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action;jsessionid=54CF03...
Is this not pollution? What
Is this not pollution? What means inorganic form?
The only point of
The only point of significance here is that the kelp in these supplements was actually tested for arsenic. The general food supply is not.
That is a really good point.
FDA finally admits chicken meat contains cancer-causing arsenic (but keep eating it, yo!)
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032659_arsenic_chicken.html#ixzz1PjmRBhIg
Fascinating article. Thanks.
Fascinating article. Thanks.
No problem.
No problem.
How gross is our food
How gross is our food supply? I suspect the average person is understandably inundated with so many threats that they simply tune out and "go with the flow," inadvertently by complicity supporting all that poisons them.
Insane industry
http://www.naturalnews.com/027414_chicken_disease_cows.html
and from a GMO article, well said, Andrea Lane --
"What is the reason for governments to continue to try and cram these poison down the consumers throat? What is it about NO they do not understand? They do not rule us; they work for us. If certain knowledgeable people don't wish to consume GMO's, then what is their problem in trying to force-feed tainted products on knowing consumers? Obviously they have an agenda."
and people wonder why Alex
and people wonder why Alex Jones is so emotional. Like he says, he is a red-blooded human being and it's human to be emotional about issues so fundamental!
Hence what the government agencies were saying
The recommended iodine intake for adults is 150 micrograms/day:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/122714-overview
According to the livestrong.com article above:
"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulation is that the recommended dose must be low enough that the user does not receive more than 225 micrograms of iodine per day"
The FDA recommended iodine (KI) intake for adults to protected against I-131 is 130 milligrams/day (that's "milli" not "micro":
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/EmergencyPreparedness/BioterrorismandDrugPrepar... dosages
If the recommended dose for the kelp was 150 micrograms, then the woman was taking 900 micrograms/day, which is 3.6 times the FDA limit.
If she took 6 times the FDA limit, that's 1350 micrograms/1.35 milligrams.
The FDA recommendation for KI is 144 times th recommended daily intake and 96 times the FDA daily limit.
So, if they believe 900-1350 micrograms can cause these symptoms, I can't imagine what could happen at 130 milligrams/130,000 micrograms.
As was posted in another
As was posted in another thread: http://www.donaldmiller.com/Healthy%20and%20Harmful%20Halogens.ppt
He makes the case for over 10 milligrams per day under normal circumstances simply for optimal health.
I think you are trying to
I think you are trying to compare potassium iodide(KI), to iodine(I).
You are right
I realized that after posting. So, I posted the follow-up statement below.
Had it typed up for a
Had it typed up for a minute, got sidetracked before I posted it so I missed the follow up. Carry on then.
KI may be different however
Having said the above, Potassium Iodide (KI) may have different properties. And therefore may not have the same iodine content.