How does Osaka Readings Compare to Nevada?

I recently accepted a job in Osaka, Japan and I've been trying to found out how radiation readings in Osaka compare to Nevada (where I am). I think I've sleuthed all I can sleuth. I was hoping I could get some help from this knowledgeable community at this point.

For radioactivity measures in Nevada, I have used readings found using the links from this forum post section:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2044#others

For radioactivity measures in Osaka, I have followed two leads (there have only been two articles that I have found that report radioactive cesium in Osaka):

***Lead 1.*** Osaka find radioactive substances in sewage sludge: http://enenews.com/osaka-detects-radioactive-substances-sewage-sludge

I followed up on the official city of Osaka webpage here: http://www.city.osaka.lg.jp/kensetsu/page/0000128614.html

A Japanese friend of mine translated this page and here is what it reads:

"Hello. About the article, I read it and in short, they investigated about the sludge in Osaka and they found it safe. The article says as follows: There are some cases that the sludge processed by the sewage disposal system in northern part of Japan contain radioactive ingredients because it is condensed after processed several times. In Osaka city, they collect sludge to sludge processing center, put the sludge through solution system with high temperature and finally form them into glass sludge. After the disaster, Osaka has screened those glass sludge to measure the amount of radiation and the results was about the same as last year, same as in nature. In order to ensure the result, they send the glass sludge to specialized agencies and they found out that the numerical level was in normal range as in other safe areas in Japan. And they don't have to have any special process to the substance because it's not considered as radioactive ingredients now that the level is very low. Therefore, in Osaka city, they don't have any radiation contamination risk due to Fukushima, but they will continue researching it."

This seems OK... I was wondering what people on this forum thought.

***Lead 2.*** Osaka finds Cesium-137 levels 100 times normal levels: http://enenews.com/cesium-137-levels-100-times-normal-levels-osaka-350-m...

Apparently, this data came from Osaka's Institute of Public Health. The only information I could find on the webpage for the Osaka's Institute of Public Health was this article: http://www.iph.pref.osaka.jp/sei-kan/hsen.html

My Japanese friend translated again and here's what it reads:

"Osaka Prefectural Institute of Public Health researches radiation dose rate in air all the time. As of now, the numerical level is between 0.040?min? and 0.063?max?, 0.043?average??Gy/hr and they found no abnormal value. From Mar. 18th, they started researching about atmospheric falling matter such as rain and dust and radioactive substances in clean water, in addition to radiation dose rate in air. And they found no abnormal value on them, either. From the results of atmospheric falling matter from Apr. first to May second, they found Cesium 134?134Cs 8?3MBq/k?, Cesium 137?137Cs? 7?9MBq?k?. But that result was caused by an unusual process of condensing sample and the difference of time for assay. ?The numerical level of the radioactive substances per month in last five years: Cecium137?137Cs??0?0.05 MBq?k? The substances tell that it's because of Fukushima, yet when calculating the number to annual amount of radiation, it will be 0.218?Sv and it's not so big numerical value since the normal annual amount of radiation is 2,400?Sv. Also, they don't have any abnormal amount of radioactive substances from falling matters and in clean water from the data in March."

It seems that the Osaka Institute of Health measures the total amount of Cesium over the course of a month while most Nevada measurements are daily and not cumulative. Other interesting articles on that same webpage were the followed excel files:

http://www.pref.osaka.jp/attach/12861/00000000/ri%20moni.xls
http://www.pref.osaka.jp/attach/12861/00000000/ri%20moni(FA).xls

I was hoping someone on this forum smarter than I could shed some light on the data here. I basically want to know if the Cesium detected in Osaka is similar to the Cesium detected in Nevada. If so, I personally will take the risk and move to Osaka. This is also of interest to me because Osaka is considered a "safe haven" (or it was shortly after the Fukushima Power Plant explosion). Many businesses were considering moving their headquarters from Tokyo to Osaka.

Thank you in advanced for any help. I'll continue researching this on my own and will post any new data or conclusions.

Respectfully,
Chris

I'm not a nuclear expert but

I'm not a nuclear expert but I live about 115km NE of Osaka city. Your risk of adverse effects from radiation by living in Osaka is nearly non existent, and I would say no more dangerous than Nevada.

The largest concern should be food. Most produce in western Japan isn't shipped from northern Japan, but being cautious is always a smart extra measure. Japan labels the prefecture that almost all products come from. They have before the crisis, and they continue to do so.

Fish (marine) products seem the most unknowable as of now. This is a problem since the sea supplies much of the Japanese diet. It is avoidable to consume sea products. If you still eat beef amongst the outbreaks of e-coli then you could still eat fish by the same standards. Granted until half life your body is essentially being attacked.

I feel simply being in Japan so far from the reactors is a small risk that could offer you a great reward/opportunity. Disasters happen, unforeseeable events unleash their destruction. However, to always side on the extreme side of safety leads to a dull life.

In all honesty, there are many more things that could happen in Japan than a worry of high radiation levels in Osaka. So be prepared for those possibilities to find your answer if you are really ready to live in Japan.

I hope you can come to a decision you are satisfied with. Good Luck!

Sludge / sewage

English - Definition of sludge 
n. mud, muck, mire, ooze, slush; any semiliquid messy substance; processed waste

My two cents are the truth is in the poop theses levels in sludge indicate to me the situation in Japan is very very bad .monitor osakas sludge for the truth.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3244096.htm

But there's also a contamination concern for something you'd never want to swim in.

High levels of radioactive caesium have been found in sewage sludge in treatment plants in 16 prefectures.

It's believed rain soaked soil contaminated with radiation was washed into sewage lines and facilities during this wet season. The contamination's then settled in the sludge.

The sludge is usually incinerated and the ash used in materials like cement, but no-one wants it now so piles of radioactive sludge are growing around the country.

(Sound of Akio Koyama speaking)

"No-one had expected such high levels of radioactivity in sewage sludge," says radioactive waste expert Akio Koyama.

"This material must be stabilised and solidified before it can be safely disposed of, otherwise radioactive material will seep into groundwater. The problem is we've never had to deal with something like this before," he says.

In other words Japan has no safety guidelines for radioactive sludge.

Going alone?

You are going alone, is that correct? No wife, no child?

I assume that the job is an amazing opportunity that you cannot find elsewhere? So, you have seriously examined the alternative job markets in your field?

If you are pretty much set on going, have you considered taking a geiger counter, dosimeter and NukAlert with you? (Go to www.ki4U.com They will provide you with the name of a local supplier for the NukAlert. The cost is $160). Also, pick up some RadStickers from the same supplier--they are very cheap and you can stick one on your wallet (they are basically supplemental dosimeters).

In addition, you might want to take along some supplements that may afford you some protection (just in case) an/or cellular repair. www.FukushimaFallout.info among other sites, has made mention of some items.

The www.FukushimaFallout.info site also includes the link to the latest Life Extension Magazine article on radiation exposure, and supplements that they (Life Extension) suggest you might want to consider.

For a supply of emergency iodine-just in case-you may want to consider potassium iodate from Medical Corps. They claim that this version, as opposed to Potassium Iodide, is safer and more stable.

The above are just my suggestions and opinions based upon the fact that I have a child who is considering moving to Hong Kong to work...and I am extremely concerned. I have been in touch with the Hong Kong Observatory, and have been studying just like you have. We are on the West Coast here in No. America and I am frankly not sure where she'd be safer.

But, if she goes, she is going with a NukAlert, potassium iodate, RadStickers, likely a geiger counter, regular iodine and many vitamins, RediSorb (liposomal glutathione) and bottles of apple pectin.

BTW, if anyone here has any radiation info on Hong Kong (air, water, ocean currents, food), please add your 2 cents!

Chris- A fellow Nevadan

Chris-

A fellow Nevadan here!

I did some work on the worst measurements I could dig up in the US, you can find it here.

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4630

Basically, I figured how much washout Boise ID got during the end of March, and came up with a surface depostion of about 97bq/m2 of combined Cs-134 and Cs-137. That's just from the rain, and I can't say how much they got from the air, but I would be surprised if total depostion there is over 300bq/m2, and it's probably way under that. Again, this is for the worst rain reported by far in the US.

That is a low number. Looking at Europe post Chernobyl, huge swaths showed 2-10kBq/M2 of Cs-137. These areas just went on with BAU pretty much.

I can't say I know much about the levels in Japan, but it looks like you have a handle on that.

As for Japan, myself, I think they are in world of hurt, and it breaks my heart. Before you move there, you may consider the ongoing situation. It is not over. If there is another large earthquake, it could be very bad for this rickety old pile of waste. Imagine a spent fuel pool dumped all over the ground. Not a pleasant image.

Good luck whatever you do.

BC

Are you seriously asking if

Are you seriously asking if Cesium concentration is the same in Nevada as Osaka Japan? lol

show me the data

show me the data

Honestly I don't really

Honestly I don't really think I have to. If you are worried about your safety, I would NOT be moving to Japan any time soon. I am still waiting for reliable non-biased and verifiable data, but in the mean time I will use my intuition. Good luck

Here's why I think Osaka

Here's why I think Osaka could be similar in level to Nevada or maybe California: 1) Wind patterns are taking most of the radiation out to California and Nevada anyway, 2) there is a huge mountain range separating Osaka from the rest of eastern Japan and 3) I haven't heard of any radiation news coming out of Osaka until recently and that radiation appears to be small but I'm not sure how small. That's why I was hoping someone could help walk me through a comparison or point me to some data showing any cumulative bq measures in the United States. I agree that there could be more unbiased measures but I doubt there is an organized conspiracy between three separate entities (Osaka City, Osaka Institute of Health, and Japanese Government). If anything it seems like they report data correctly and then maybe downplay the significance of the data. If they wanted to lie, they could just tell people there isn't radiation at all in that area- it would be plausible to most people.

"If they wanted to lie, they

"If they wanted to lie, they could just tell people there isn't radiation at all in that area- it would be plausible to most people."

Until the people got together and did this

http://www.nippon-sekai.com/main/articles/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-powe...

The problem is really the

The problem is really the local food you will be eating, how would you know the contamination level? For example a consignment of Japanese tea was found in Paris recently that was 1,038 Bq / kg and exceeded the French maximum allowed limit by twice (500 Bq/kg).

I see what you are saying

I see what you are saying about the wind patterns, but you are basing your decision on the wind currents not changing? You have to remember this thing is so far from over we barely got past the preamble. Would I go? If I could make enough money in a couple years and gtfo....maybe lol

Are you in Las Vegas or Reno?