Hot Particles in CA?

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2011-06-14 14:16

Berkeley Radiological Air and Water Monitoring Forum

Anyone hear about any testing being done on this subject? I know Seattle has discovered problematic levels in car air filters.

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Fukushima air filter data

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2011-10-27 11:47.

Fukushima air filter data presentation - Halloween (All Hallows Eve)
Posting available ~ All Saints Day November 1, 2011

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5681#comment-19333

Submitted by Marco Kaltofen (not verified) on Thu, 2011-09-29 18:33.

The data for the air filters tested at WPI will be presented at the 139th meeting of the American Public Health Association, next month, (Monday Oct. 31, 8:30 AM), in Washington, DC. The presentations will be available online after the close of the meeting.

http://apha.confex.com/apha/139am/webprogram/Paper254015.html

i live in seattle and have

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 14:26.

i live in seattle and have been worrying about this. where were the filters? who did the study? i thought these fuel fleas were too small to be trapped?

i'm also wondering if there were hot particles generated by chernobyl, and if they made it to the states at that time.

CHERNOBYL BLEW UP. 1 event

Submitted by ADAM (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 18:43.

CHERNOBYL BLEW UP. 1 event with a fallout.

Fukushima is just steaming over there. It is the first time In earths history that we have molten radioactive material un-contained just sitting on the earth. they are pouring water on it, it is steaming up with fresh I131 and Cesium and G knows what, and traveling east to california... ALL THE TIME, SINCE MARCH!

Unreal, this is the difference. I live directly east of the plant just an hour in from the coast.

Bummer.
Considering moving to Argentina.
Hiding out in Arizona till i deem it safe for my young family to return.
Not drinking milk or eating post-fukushima foods.

Stand Strong Yall.
Peace,
Adam

Adam- There has not been any

Submitted by BC (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 19:46.

Adam-

There has not been any I-131 detected that I know of in a month or so, which means that for practical, airborne purposes, none for 6-8 weeks. If there was a large ongoing criticality, there would be airborne I-131.
The first two weeks were the worst, almost certainly. That is done.

And dude, you are say 4500 miles from this. Is another thousand going to save your butt? Answer=No.

I am in NV, and if I had to split, I would go Maine or Puertp Rico. AZ? Why bother from the perspective of what has happened to go to Arizona?

Please, chill out man. If you are buggered in CA, you are buggered in AZ. You are not buggered. I have been down, up, and through this. It is bad, but not as bad as you think by a very long shot.

Please, friend, chill out. You are OK, and if you're not, again, Arizona?

Thanks BC, We have family

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-15 12:19.

Thanks BC,
We have family here, I have been helping build a house with my father out-law.

We live in a 12x16 shed up in the dust in cali, not much protecton from the elements, and we pull surface water for our drinking, so when we saw the mushroom clouds, we left. We live very much in the elements, it hasnt been raining down here.

We are packing today for our return trip. Thanks for the calming words. I will touch base when we pull in to our slice of paradise.

I agree...AZ has a LOT of its own problems...not to mention 4 reactors steamin away just west of phoenix.

OK, peace for now,
Adam

How could Chernobyl have not

Submitted by BC (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 15:29.

How could Chernobyl have not generated these particles? How could say a big nasty fission bomb have not generated a bunch of these particles?

This is semantics. Gunderson is using a new term for what has no doubt happened before. Dangerous? Hell yes. Kill everyone? Did Chernobyl? No.

I do believe that what Gunderson/Kaltofen are talking about/studying has been under-studied in the past, but it is not a new thing. We've been living with "hot particles" off and on since Oppenheimer and co. cracked open Pandora's box.

check out this

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 15:14.

check out this link

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/hot-particles-japan-seattle-virtually-...

I think they were collected out of Seattle automobile air filters in a private test.

i love arnie and all, but he

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 15:40.

i love arnie and all, but he always seems so vague. i don't dismiss that what he says is true, per se, but it would be nice to know more about the sampling he's citing. my sense was that they were too small and squirrelly to be captured, so how is something as unscientific as a car filter able to catch them? or do i just not know what the h-e-double-hockey-sticks i'm talking about? probably.

NOT car filters

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-14 19:11.

Really, the person that Maggie Gundersen interviewed awhile back was Marco Kaltofen from Worcester Polytechnic Institute. I am pretty sure that he is the one conducting the air filter tests. He is affiliated with a lab. They would not be depending upon car filters!

Now, I do recall someone mentioning that they HAD tested car filters from Japan and, if memory serves, that MAY have been Arnie. I recall that person saying that there were maybe 5 filters tested (don't hold me to these numbers, it's just my recollection) and that 3 were fine, but two were contaminated. But, the impression that I got was that these were just additional, somewhat casual testing that they had done, NOT to be confused with their more formal testing (assuming that this was Arnie's comments).

So, the main tests would NOT be car filters--after all, that would certainly lack scientific rigor.

This all reminds me a bit about that childhood game "telephone."

Actually car filters may be

Submitted by Tdm (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-15 09:37.

Actually car filters may be a way to trap particles and since u cover distance u get a better indication of particles u may have encountered not just a localized particulate test.if u have a few hundred extra bucks there are labs that can provide analasis .