Who is drinking milk?
This question is only for those of you who had stopped drinking milk at some point. If you've never been concerned about the levels in the milk, question is not for you. But for those of you who had made dietary changes and cut out milk (and other dairy) is anyone now drinking milk?
I would like to start drinking milk again, but would much prefer to see Cesium levels below MDA. Mostly because I have a small child who normally drinks about a gallon a week.
Angela


Milk...Not Yet!!!
Hello,
My husband is somewhat lactose intolerant so it hasn't been too big a deal switching up to Almond Milk. For me though I miss dairy products such as cheeses, cottage cheese, yoghurts etc. I am holding off on those dairy products including milk until the end of the year or whenever the results are showing pre-Fukushima levels. Today though I had some chocolate popsicles that are made with dairy milk and cream that are Wal-Mart brand-I am over 40 years old so figure I can 'gamble' a little with a small indiscretion here and there including commercially produced Pizza (yeah, yeah, I know, soft cheese carries with it the potential for higher levels of fallout since Mozarella made from USA milk likely has those levels because it has a short fermentation time vs. old, hard foreign cheeses such as Parmesan.)
IF HOWEVER I had children, definitely being a 'boomer' having grown up during the post atomic testing era and hearing of many cases of children with strontium 90 for example I would be doing everything possible to ensure food safety and minimizing potential absorption by eliminating known high accumulators such as dairy, dark green leafy veggies, non-hothouse grown mushrooms etc. See my earlier post to the other thread pasted below that someone titled 'My Safe Foods List' It is children whose GROWING bodies and bone marrow are much more vulnerable to radiaoactive fallout/hot particles. Also, we women who are still menstruating, guess what? Our breast tissue acts alot like fetal tissue rising and falling, growing and receding throughout our cycles and this is what makes this tissue vulnerable in ways similar to children in terms of contracting cancers.
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http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3361?page=1
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3361?page=1
My "safe" foods list/Just found this:
Submitted by HotCaviar (not verified) on Sun, 2011-04-24 04:30.
'My "safe" foods list thread originator: Your foods are similar to our food choices excepting the dairy stuff (for now).
Here's something I just found, take it or leave as possible good ideas for 'sourcing' foods and some respondents at the link mention New Zealand as a good source for frozen meats:
http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-series-radiation-clouds-hit-west-c...
(SEE LINK FOR EVERYTHING)
Noah
April 21, 2011 at 3:47 am · Reply
AREAS WHOSE FOOD PRODUCTS MAY NOW CARRY RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT
Helpful Quote from Vesica.org
The Entirety of the Northern Hemisphere around the world is affected by fallout, as well as the Pacific Ocean.
Most Serious: Japan, Pacific Ocean, and Pacific Rim States
Most Contaminated food areas of North America (based on fallout wind spread patterns charted by European scientific research agencies) in order of likely intensity of contamination, starting with the most contaminated:
Entire Pacific Coast (note that much of the produce in North America comes from this region, especially California)
Northern U.S. States close to Canada, and Canadian areas close to the U.S. (including Toronto etc.)
Eastern States
Central States of the U.S., and Far Northern areas of Canada
SAFEST AREAS OF ORIGIN FOR FOOD PRODUCTS
The majority of contamination is in the northern hemisphere and the Pacific Ocean region. Most of the Southern Hemisphere has little to no fallout (the exception is the Southern Hemisphere in the Pacific; Australia for example is finding radioactive fish in the ocean, so although they may not get much atmospheric fallout they are affected by the massive contamination of the Pacific Ocean.)
Also note that radioactive contamination is being found on non-food products being imported from Japan.
Safest Areas of Origin for food products:
Central America (avoid items from the Pacific Coast area of Mexico)
South America
Africa
Europe is also far less contaminated that North America, although it is also experiencing significant fallout; so it is a better source for products than North America, however not as good as Southern Hemisphere sources. (However some South American produce may contain high levels of pesticides not allowed to be used in the U.S. or Canada.)
ITEMS OF SPECIAL CONCERN FROM AFFECTED AREAS
Most affected:
All Ocean-Derived Products from the Pacific Ocean: the Fukushima accident dumped millions of times the normal background levels of radiation into the Pacific, where it is affecting the entire ocean (most toxic near Japan and bordering areas, but now reaching to the US West Coast: debris from the Tsunami in Japan is also expected to start washing up on the West Coast in the near future.) There are already reports of Pacific Fish showing radioactive contamination.
This indicates a need to be cautious regarding:
All Pacific Ocean Fish
Sea Salt or Ocean Minerals derived from the Pacific
All Pacific Seaweed and Sea Vegetables (order Atlantic Ocean seaweed at http://www.theseaweedman.com )
Milk and all Dairy Products (butter, cheese etc.) from all animals: Cows, Goats, and Sheep (Dairy products have the most intense immediate absorption of radiation from fallout). Radioactive contamination of milk has been found throughout the United States, especially on the West Coast.
Any plant with a large surface area exposed to the air while growing: The most intense radiation absorption in plants is through rain falling directly on the leaves of the plant, where it is directly absorbed. Rainwater absorbed through the earth into the plant is already of much lower radiation intensity due to the filtering affect of the soil.
All broad leaf plants and plants with large surface areas grown in the open air (rather than in greenhouses) are the most contaminated, for instance Salad Greens, Spinach, Cabbage etc. Contaminated crops in California (carrying radioactive iodine and cesium) have already been confirmed by UC Berkeley.
[Carrots and other root vegetables are less contaminated due to growing underground.]
Water from Rainwater or Open Lake type catchments: instead drink bottled water, or water from underground wells or other underground sources (radiation is greatly reduced when the particles have to travel through the ground.)
PREGNANT (OR BREASTFEEDING) WOMEN AND YOUNG CHILDREN SHOULD ESPECIALLY BE CAREFUL REGARDING THESE ITEMS COMING FROM FALLOUT AFFECTED AREAS
-Off my menu: All Seafoods because the oceans really are a military and industrial sewer! Yes, I will miss Anchovies on my pizza, fishsticks, red snapper, tuna (even 'chicken of the sea' is no longer 'worthy,'crab, fake crab (made with Pollock, an ocean fish), clam chowder, Nori Seaweed,Caviar etc... See: http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/can-ocean-currents-transport-radi...
I find most bottled water to
I find most bottled water to be contaminated with plastics unless it is very fresh, right off the truck. However, if you can get it very fresh or if you can get it glass bottles, it is indeed a very good drinking option.
FYI, my very rich friends
FYI, my very rich friends have an unlimited supply of glass-bottled water.
I stopped drinking milk for
I stopped drinking milk for 2 months, but when the results where minimal, I went back, since powdered milk tasted bad and lacks the freshness that milk has (with all it's accompanying vitamins). Interesting about super-pasteurized that one can keep it for months. In Europe, most fresh milk is sold in a special plastic bottles that does not have to be refrigerated (until opened), and can last a very long time. Also, raw-milk is not criminalized there like it is in the US.
The milk in europe you're
The milk in europe you're referring to that is sold on the shelf is ultra pasturized. It is essentially a dead food and isn't "fresh". It is the ultra high heat pasturization that allows it to be packaged and kept on the shelf instead of the fridge. Raw (copletely unpasturized) milk is the healthiest by far in terms of nutritional value. But it has a very short shelf (refrigerator) life. It can only keep about 10-14 days in the fridge.
Powdered milk is almost useless nutritionally.
NO. I actually have some
NO.
I actually have some pre-fukushima condensed milk, but do not plan to go back to fresh milk after it runs out.
I buy aged cheese which I love anyway.
I miss ice cream the most but as an adult I can deal with changing my diet for my health.
If I had a small child I was responsible for, I would absolutely not let them near fresh dairy products from this continent until it's been PROVEN to be 100% Fukushima-FREE. Never? Sorry American dairy farmers, but it's not me and my health you should go after, your wages are in the pockets of the people responsible for this.
ice cream contamination
Bryers Ice Cream has a shelf life of 12 to 18 months, so watch your dates and stock up.
An interesting site I recommend
It is worth a look and references some of the BRAWM findings:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/06/14/dairy-farm...
Mercola has a lot of info re: radioprotective foods etc. I cannot afford its products BUT I do appreciate the info and recommend getting his email feed
Milk substitute pre-Fukushima...25 year shelf life.
http://www.augasonfarms.com/Products/Morning-Moos
I purchase one case of #10 cans Nido full powdered milk within one month of the figures coming out. It was manufactured in Europe Feb. 2011 and has a best by date of Sept. 2013. Also three cases of Morning-Moos which is a really great cooking and tasting powder with no after taste of powdered milk. I really like it and the kids don't mind a bit. All our cheese is either dried or has been aged more than 12 months. What's the harm in being safe when children are involved and the Memphis Milk is showing traces of I-13` on the Radnet test of April 11, 2011. No updated information and I would not trust them anyway.
We completely cut out milk
We completely cut out milk and dairy post-Fukushima, and also sea fish and are not returning yet. You are quite right to be concerned if you have a small child to look after. There is still radioactive Cesium-137 in the milk that is not normally there at all, and even though the levels are not high, why take the risk? Who wants to knowingly eat any elevated levels of Radioactive Cesium or Strontium etc. if it is avoidable? Knowing that someone one cares for deeply is actually consuming any level of Radioactive Cesium can be both highly disturbing and stressful, so avoidance of milk to reduce the risk substantially is better at the moment, and not too difficult. Soy products can replace milk with maybe added Calcium and vitamin supplements too etc.. Soy yoghurt is just as good as dairy yoghurt, and surely it is better if it doesn't have measurable amounts of Radioactive Cesium or Strontium in it.
Think: "Got milk, Got Radioactive Cesium too, and am increasing the risk of cancer"
We are not drinking milk
We are not drinking milk still however we are indulging in cheese and foods made from milk every now and then. I have found it almost impossible controlling my children's diets completely while everyone else is continuing on as normal. They are on kelp,vitamins, calcium chewables, lots of vitamin C and green vitamins.... and we are really watching what they eat, but I let them (and us the adults) splurge now and then. I, too, am waiting for "no detection" for a couple of months before I slowly go back.
I'm missing diary products....
I went to pick up some chocolate milk the other day as I walked by...but I put it back down.
I'm really missing my yogurt.....
I am reluctantly drinking a little milk
I came to the conclusion that radiocesium is pretty much everywhere now and unavoidable and Vitamin D is radioprotective to some degree as is calcium.
My reluctance has to do with uncertainty about Strontium 90 (whether or not there is any in the milk as NO ONE is testing for it) and also my preference for avoding the cesium completely.
I did buy almond milk and drink kefir and yoghurt too.
My feeling is that unless one is VERY carefully monitoring every food that at this point milk is not much worse than anything else, the radioiodine is no longer a risk, and the BRAWM results really do indicate that any levels in milk are about the same as any other thing we ingest from air, dirt, dust, procude, etc.
Sadly, I could be wrong about this so I would still hesitate to give milk to a small child and would try almond milk or other substitutes for milk that are pre-Fukushima or from the southern hemisphere.
Cesium,Strontium,etc.
The EPA jackasses tested for it and Plutonium & everything else-but you have to manually use their aggravating website tools to dig for specific isotopes & their findings though. I think I started from the ERAMS site and had to work at it a bit to find what I was looking for at the time. Here's something interesting that identifies specific people & organization to blame for the EPA BS!!-Pass this link along so it gets "fixed" sooner (hopefully) http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/radnet-or-sadnet-the-epas-failed-...
"Vitamin D is
"Vitamin D is radioprotective to some degree as is calcium."
The vitamin D in milk is D2 not D3 and is minute. It is not doing anything.
Keep in mind that nut milks
Keep in mind that nut milks are constituted with water.
Yes, but I think people have
Yes, but I think people have soy and almond milk that was packaged pre-fukushima. It has a much longer shelf life than fresh milk and I have enough to last for about 5 months.
Also, agreed that milk is merely fortified with vitamin D2 which really has no health benefit. Raw milk from pastured cows does have vitamin D3 naturally in it, however. But then, if the cows are eating grass, the milk will likely have more cesium and strontium, etc. oy...
Raw milk right off the teat
Raw milk right off the teat is one of the best snacks there is. It would be worth 15 times as much as you pay for store-bought milk.
Maybe so, but in an advanced
Maybe so, but in an advanced industrial world with 10 billion people by the middle of the 21st century, quality is understandably the luxury of those at the very top. Even then, Earth ain't what it used to be.
I believe he/she says "would
I believe he/she says "would be" because, as far as I know, it is presently a criminal offense to be caught in possession of raw milk.
"An unidentified Minnesota Department of Agriculture official loads a vehicle with raw milk products from the Hartman farm in this still from a video posted to YouTube. The milk products were being delivered to a home in Minnetonka when they were intercepted."
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/12/08/hartmann-farm-ra...
Worthington, Minn. — Investigators with the state Department of Agriculture are trying to determine if the operators of a southern Minnesota dairy farm at the center of a raw milk controversy are guilty of felony criminal offenses.
Dairy
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Actually ordered a chocolate milkshake and a cheeseburger at a fast food restaurant this weekend. Yep, with lettuce. It may not entirely count, because the location is a major drought zone. You would have to truck milk from 500 miles, past 50 dairies to be a realistic concern. I would NOT touch the stuff in Boise-ID, Boston-MA, Vermont or the Golden State.
I will watch the milk laboratory values for a while longer before buying any fresh milk, or cream cheese, from anywhere.
Still have some bottled (superpasturized) milk from prior to the Fukushima meltdowns. The unopened bottles are still sweet and good at last uncorking. May be a tiny bit of cream stratification, but good flavor. Amazing how long that stuff lasts. (Promised Land is the brand.) I know this is unresponsive, but perhaps interesting.
Not drinking it
Hello,
We are not drinking milk, or taking any dairy in our household. I am making almond milk with water from New Zealand (trader joes brand).
I don't feel ready to drink milk yet....
Yep, us too. Almond and
Yep, us too. Almond and coconut milk (and flavored coconut cream for coffee which is very good!) We miss raw milk. Gave up that awful pasteurized crap that has no nutritional value years ago.
Most recent brawn measurements of raw milk look promising.