“To not choose is to choose.”.

.

‘Catching cancer’ from radioactive fallout is as simple as ‘catching cold’. The victim seldom notices anything out of the ordinary at the time. A few radionuclides, such as cesium and plutonium may give slight and transient burning/irritation sensations to eyes or nasal passages when inhaled.

This deadly radioactive vector is somewhat similar to contraction of malaria, HIV and cervical cancer. The cause, vectors, effects and medical treatments are well understood in all these deadly conditions. Chance and choice play their parts in radiation as in the other contagions. Some people were inside, others outside in the radionuclide storms. ‘Black rain’ hit or missed your dairy source, vegetables and municipal water supply. Adults placed their bets. Children had no say in the matter in Japan or the USA. “Failure to choose is to choose.”

Plutonium, strontium and iodine radioisotopes will produce respectively lung, bone and thyroid cancers in a few years. Likely the victim will be unaware of the exposure until after the disease has been diagnosed. Several hundred thousand Americans and perhaps several million Japanese will contract cancer from the airborne Fukushima radioactive fallout. That is a done deal. The foul air has been breathed and the water and food are contaminated.

The next wave of cancer in North America will come from the North Pacific fisheries. Again, chance and choice will determine who ‘catches cancer’. Bon appétit!

Bill Duff

Hold the Cesium

:(

Nouveau Nippon Cooking Lessons - Please hold the cesium

Kunikazu Noguchi, lecturer at Nihon University, says that radiation, though invisible and odorless, can be treated and cleaned up like a stain, noting that by rinsing the food well before cooking, preferably with hot water, and/or boiling or stewing it, a large portion of radioactive elements can be removed.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fs20110920a2.html

The good news is, cesium can be easily dissolved in water. So the best way to prepare vegetables and fruits is to rinse them well before cooking. If possible, cut vegetables into small pieces and soak them in water for a while.

More radiation in spinach and other leafy vegetables can be removed if they are boiled. As for lettuces, throw away the outer leaf and rinse the rest well. Data from Chernobyl shows that rinsing lettuce can remove up to half of the cesium-134 and two thirds of the cesium-137. Cucumbers can be pickled with vinegar, which cuts radiation by up to 94 percent. Peeling carrots and boiling them with salted hot water would also help reduce cesium levels.

Just out of curiosity...

...Bill, I'm just wondering: What "choice", exactly, are you referring to with the title of this thread?

Are any of us choosing to be irradiated? To build what are now clearly and demonstrably revealed to be leee-than-adequate reactors in chronically dangerous locations? To worry ourselves sick over the health, safety and longevity of our own bodies and those of our families, children and planet?

I mean, it's a catchy title; I just can't figure what it means. Can you clear this up for me, please? I'd like to know what my "choice" here is, exactly.

Many thanks.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas

chance and choice will determine who ‘catches cancer’

.

Chance and choice will determine who ‘catches cancer’.

Let us therefore focus upon prudent choices.

Let us dispense with corporate and governmental lies, coverups and propaganda.

Let us revisit the many efficient technologies trampled by General Electric et al.

Let us take determined efforts to improve our personal air, water and food quality and radionuclide avoidance.

Let us take determined efforts to improve our national food, water and food quality. Let us amass the known and study the knowable and APPLY these to our decisions.

Choice is critical, but chance plays a part.

I see

Gotcha, Bill, thanks for the response and explanation of your meaning.

For the record, I, too, am a fan of clean air and water, uncontaminated food, and a generally well-managed environment. (I rather suspect that, if it came to cases, even the most vocal and reliably partisan advocates of various industries and energy-production processes would also be inclined to agree. Money, after all, is a fine thing; and influence and NON-electrical "power" are sometimes things to be desired. But you can't eat a greenback, drink control or receive physical nourishment from popularity. Though sometimes I have to wonder if everyone actually realizes this.)

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas

Regarding choices

.

The 3rd Great Northern Hemisphere Hormesis (GNHH) Experiment
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3091

For your dining pleasure

Greetings, fellow participants in the 2nd Great Northern Hemisphere Hormesis (GNHH) experiment. Ann Coulter is our gracious host; while our proud sponsors are the General Electric Corporation (GE) and the Tokyo Elecric Power Company (TEPCO) Fukushima complex. GE “brings good things to life” and TEPCO, “emphasizing fine-tuned service, supports our comfortable lifestyle”. The 1st GNHH experiment was sponsored by the now defunct USSR at the Chernobyl, Ukraine plant. The 2nd GNHH experiment was the above ground nuclear testing conducted by the USA, USSR, France, Great Britain and PRC. Those not wishing to participate are again advised to relocate to Sydney, Santiago or Buenos Aires.

Today, the GNHH experiment families are separating into two groups, the ‘Maximizer’ Team and the ‘Controller’ Team. Maximizers should drink the rainwater, eat plenty of large leaf vegetables, purchase free range chicken and sea-salt, drink plenty of fresh milk, eat shallow water fish, enjoy the cream cheese, and avoid alcohol. Expectant and nursing mothers should take their prenatal vitamins, without iodine (KI). Controllers should double their normal RDA multi-vitamin/mineral intake, purchase grain-fed chicken and mined salt, drink bottled, Reverse Osmosis or well water, select the sharp (aged) cheese, order the canned peas and select well aged red wines and (ironically) the long shelf life irradiated milk .

Tonight, the Maximizers will be enjoying spinach and argula salad, borsht, oysters Rockefeller, Pacific salmon and the Kobe boeuf wellington with a rich cream sauce. Maximizer dessert selections include cheesecake, cream puffs and berries drenched in sweet cream. Japanese green tea is the recommended beverage. Those insisting on alcohol will be served an excellent boujoule nouveau.

The Controllers will select a main course of arroz con pollo, grouper or Argentinian Beef with Chimichurri Sauce. Soup choices will consist of consommé and lentil. A cucumber and olive salad, generously sprinkled with Reggianito will be served. Our featured dessert is Brigadeiros served with Brazilian Daterra coffee. Our vast selection, of finely aged red wines, will enhance your dining experience.

DEMONIC

Ann Coulter has a new book titled … DEMONIC

OH ... THE … IRONY

“The mob will never side with those who seek to protect human life, only those who seek to destroy it.”

“The mob will never defend traditional morality, only those who seek to subvert it.”

‘Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America’ (P-288)
http://www.amazon.com/Demonic-How-Liberal-Endangering-America/dp/0307353494

Evil Incarnate

False Hope & Real Danger

It appears that 'Madame Hormesis', Ann Coulter 'plays for the same team', as Professor Shunichi Yamashita, Department of Molecular Medicine, Atomic Bomb Disease Institute, Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences. This doctor is quoted as saying, “The effects of radiation do not come to people that are happy and laughing. They come to people that are weak-spirited, that brood and fret.” Perhaps the residents of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the fishermen aboard the 'Lucky Dragon' needed a more positive outlook.

The spirit of Dr. Josef Rudolf Mengele, lives on, is re-incarnated or springs from a Devil's Hell, depending upon your personal epistemology. The dangerous message of these individuals appears, by my lights, to represent evil in human form, in its most concentrated and virulent variety.

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4558
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuwFrNEgDTg
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4558#comment-10464
http://www1.american.edu/ted/lucky.htm
http://www.lsu.edu/necrofile/gojira13.htm
http://www.hiroshima-spirit.jp/en/museum/morgue_w17.html
http://oldschoolreviews.com/rev_80/black_rain.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_Black_Rain_fall_in_the_aftermath_of_d...

Evil Charisma

Charismatic Cult Leaders

Wherein does the lovely and erudite Miss Ann Hart Coulter morally differ from the Reverend Jim Jones? They both appear to encourage mass suicide by poison ingestion. Here follows a short, explicit video, of the mass suicide directed by Reverend Jim Jones. His 900 followers drank the purple Kool-Aid at Jonestown, Guyana on November 18th 1978.

Jim Jones and the Jonestown Tragedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwkqjjffzEk
http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/the-jonestown-massacre.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/osama-bin-ladens-evil-charisma-recalls-adol...

Great posts, Bill.

Great posts, Bill.

Choose

.

Let us HONOR the Wanlass Motor, Otto Smith Motor, WOW thermodynamic improvements, efficient lighting and their inventors. These are the geniuses of our time.

Let us learn to DESPISE the lies, liars and deadly results due to such despicable vermin as Jack Welch, former chairman of General Electric. Let us deliberately impoverish, imprison and shun these death dealing scum.

Let us elevate the scientific 'Whistleblower' to 'Sainthood' in the 'Temple of Science and Technology'.

Caution is crazy & Resistance is futile (GE drumbeats)

The GE drumbeat … ‘fear is crazy’ 'Resistance is futile'

Psycho-babble

One prong of the General Electric attack/defense, much like BP, is to minimize the scope of the environmental Armageddon. Another prong is to minimize their involvement, such as a recent statement, ‘GE built the turbines’. There is the lunatic hormesis notion, advanced by the lovely and erudite constitutional lawyer, Ann Coulter.

My favorite however is the GE inspired psychobabble. Sometimes a ‘friendly GE shrink’ offers on a blog to ‘counsel’ the curious and/or wary. GE has used this ‘crazy’ approach for over a century, beginning with Thomas A. Edison attempting to brand Nicola Tesla, George Westinghouse and AC electricity as nutjobs and killers. TAE, the actual crazed killer, then proceded to electrocute: Topsy the elephant, dogs, cats, monkeys, zebras and convicts.

The apparently criminally insane GE management, attempted this ‘nutjob’ approach on former GE Nuclear Engineering Managers, DALE G. BRIDENBAUGH, RICHARD B. HUBBARD & GREGORY C. MINOR since their circa 1976 testimony, regarding GE Mark 1 containment design defects, before the AEC and congess.

Example: Psychobabble

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/science/03radiation.html?pagewanted=all

“The fear is unwarranted, EXPERTS say.”

“Most people don’t have a good handle on the risks,” Dr. Fred A. Mettler Jr., professor of radiology at the University of New Mexico and the American representative to a United Nations panel on radiation assessment, said in an interview. “They don’t know the magnitude of the sources, so they don’t know how to put the risks in perspective.”

Given what may appear to be chaotic or incomplete information, people may base their perceptions of atomic risk on a volatile mix of sensational reports and instincts.

“Risk resides mostly as a FEELING,” said Paul Slovic, a pioneer of nuclear psychology at the University of Oregon. “It’s a quick gut reaction often triggered by an image,” especially ones in the movies and on television.

Lies As Law: Codified Human Sacrifice

I read a very interesting article about WHY information is being censored.
Just to protect the Nuclear agency from future lawsuits for getting cancer.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/31/980920/-Lies-As-Law:-Codified-H...
This is a diary not about Fukushima, or even about Three Mile Island. It's a diary in response to a pro-nuclear apologist who visited my last diary lobbing lies (as usual), to clear up some facts about the nuclear industry in general, the U.S. government's shameful involvement in promoting it, and the U.S. legal system's blatantly rights-violating treatment of claims for damages caused by nuclear reactor accidents/meltdowns.

In my last diary, Fukushima Update: 5-28-11, one of our live-in apologists took issue with the premise that radioactive contamination released from melting reactors moves through the environment in "plumes" that travel with the prevailing winds. Or currents, in the case of waterborne releases.

In fact, he called my contention that denial of these very facts has been established in U.S. federal courts as an unassailable 'fact' no one can argue or present evidence against, a conspiracy theory. In a series of insulting comments, this nay-sayer defended the authoritarian position of the U.S. nuclear establishment that all radioactive contamination released by melting reactors must affect all people in a 50-mile radius from the plant in a full 360 degrees equally. This is how they determine if anyone is likely to get enough radiation to give them cancer (or kill them in the womb, or cause birth defects, etc.), and all claims must be based on that authoritative declaration.

Now, of course, anyone paying attention knows that contamination from melting reactors does indeed travel in plumes that follow the prevailing winds and currents. Thus those in the path of those plumes receive much more radiation than people who are not in the plumes. We can even see the plume maps generated when the Chernobyl reactor melted down, and we can see the plume maps generated daily from the Fukushima meltdowns disaster ongoing. So I thought this might be a good time to mention why it is that the U.S. government and judicial system still insist not so, for any meltdowns that have or will happen in this country.

It's called The Price-Anderson Act, which was first passed in 1957 to socialize the risks of utilities operating nuclear power plants in case of catastrophes like, say, meltdowns. Because in the 1950s the government wanted to encourage utilities to invest in nuclear power, but no utility would do so without a hefty liability cap in case things went wrong. Thus was established an arbitrary limit on damages any citizen could be compensated for in the event he or she was harmed or killed by a friendly neighborhood nuke.

When TMI-2 melted in 1979 Price-Anderson kicked in to provide immediate compensation to the pregnant women and children evacuated to the Hershey Convention Center (downwind in the plume), to businesses and workers who suffered lost income, and to establish a "health fund" resulting from a class action suit in 1981, just 2 years after the meltdown. Another class action suit was filed in federal court in 1988 representing plaintiffs who had developed cancers and/or survivors thereof. Since the incubation for radiation-induced cancers can be 5-20 years, the list of plaintiffs grew steadily until the suit was finally dismissed in 1996 but a judge appropriately named Rambo. At the time of its dismissal there were more than 2,000 plaintiffs. In her decision, Rambo wrote:

Finally, Dr. Vergeiner's testimony was admitted by the court subject to the condition that Plaintiffs could explain how the testimony was still relevant in light of the court's exclusion of the bulk of Dr. Vergeiner's proffered expert testimony. Had Plaintiffs presented admissible evidence demonstrating that significant quantities of noble gases were released from TMI during the accident, Dr. Vergeiner's testimony would assist the jury in understanding how prevailing weather c onditions effected the plume's path and the rate at which it dispersed." However, on the current state of the record, Plaintiffs have no high release evidence. Without high releases, there is no dense yet narrow plume, and there is no need for Dr. Vergeiner to explain how such a plume might have evaded the TLDs set up to monitor airborne radiation.
I am the person who processed the TLDs at Three Mile Island in the month following the accident. Releases were not tracked by stationary TLDs after the accident, though there were some stationary TLDs before the accident. The plume going out was instead tracked and mapped by helicopters on a regular, round the clock basis. The maps of the plume, along with readings in the plume, were included in the NRC 'event notifications' sent to all operating nuclear plants daily, and distributed to all health physics personnel at the plant daily. These were NOT introduced as evidence in this case, because the NRC and utility had an entirely different strategy for 'proving' no one suffered harm from their little meltdown.

Rambo dismissed the suit for "lack of evidence" because the academic epidemiologists hired by the plaintiffs to do a study of cancers in the area around TMI found that cancers and cancer clusters occurred along a pathway extending north-northeast of the plant along the direction of prevailing winds. The government (NRC was a defendant along with Met-Ed/GPU, the owners/operators of TMI-2) had insisted in two 'Blue Ribbon' investigations of the accident early on [Kemeny and Rogovin] that estimated releases of radioactive isotopes from the plant had to be evenly distributed to all of the people living within 50 miles of the plant in any direction. This cute little maneuver served to dilute the pool of people who unfortunately lived right in the path of the plume with ~4 million other people who were never exposed to significant radiation from the meltdown. Rambo didn't bother to question this nutty methodology despite the fact that the defendants admitted that it was primarily people within just 20 miles of the plant who were dosed.

That astoundingly deceptive and factually challenged methodology was embraced by the court without examination and without hearing any testimony from witnesses who monitored the releases of radioactive contamination and recorded the doses - and who were to have provided plume maps generated by the NRC in the weeks following the accident. Plume maps which lined up exactly with the map of cancers and cancer clusters generated by the epidemiologists all those years later.

It would have been impossible for the defendants to claim their methodology in assessing health effects was valid if they themselves had mapped the plume leaving Three Mile Island. Exactly the same kind of plume activity well-documented from weapons testing days, from the Chernobyl meltdown, and now from Fukushima. TMI was no different, yet none of the people who were greatly harmed or killed by radiation from the U.S.'s own meltdown received compensation for their damages. Thousands of innocent people were deliberately sacrificed on the altar of nuclear power. Someday soon thousands more will join their ranks when the next one (or several) melt down.

You might think it's a bit unfair for U.S. government and courts to decide by (utterly dishonest) fiat that people harmed by nuclear power plants are not entitled to a fair hearing or realistic compensation for the harm done. Others might well agree, but that is not reality in the good ol' U.S. of A. The question has even been decided - way back in 1978, the year before TMI melted down - by the Supreme Court of the United States.

The case is Duke Power Co. v. Carolina Environmental Study Group, 438 U.S. 59 (1978). Several environmental groups filed suit in western North Carolina against the NRC regarding the Price-Anderson Act, maintaining that it violated the 5th Amendment because it didn't ensure fair or adequate compensation to victims of nuclear accidents, and that it violated the 14th Amendment by treating the victims of nuclear accidents differently than victims of other types of industrial accidents.

In the opinion, the court decided that it's perfectly okay to treat the victims of nuclear accidents unfairly because Congress intended for victims of nuclear accidents to be treated unfairly when it passed the Act. The court specifically concluded that…

• it is clear that Congress' purpose was to remove the economic impediments in order to stimulate the private development of electric energy by nuclear power while simultaneously providing the public compensation in the event of a catastrophic nuclear incident.
• The record supports the need for imposition of a statutory limit on liability to encourage private industry participation and hence bears a rational relationship to Congress' concern for stimulating private industry's involvement in the production of nuclear electric energy.

and finally…

• There is no equal protection violation, since the general rationality of the Act's liability limitation, particularly with reference to the congressional purpose of encouraging private participation in the exploitation of nuclear energy, is ample justification for the difference in treatment between those injured in nuclear accidents and those whose injuries are derived from other causes.
It's not like the government didn't know meltdowns were possible or even likely. It's not like they didn't know that plumes of radioactive contamination travel with prevailing winds to cause harm to those living beneath those plumes. It's just that they decided thousands of citizens could be allowed to die in such an event without a cent of compensation (or even health care) because nukes are way more important than people. That's the law, as it stands and has stood for 54 years.

Thus they can claim for all historical and legal purposes that radioactive plumes of contamination leaving nuclear plants do not exist and cannot be made to exist by any factual evidence or testimony in any court of law or historical record. Even when everybody with minds, eyes and half a brain can easily demonstrate that this is entirely, 100% bogus. The people must be allowed to die. Nukes must be saved.

To all of us at Nuclear Free DK and otherwise interested in following the events worldwide as nations begin to come to grips (or not) with the nuclear beast, it is in the understanding of THIS nation's insidious role in deploying these monsters all over the world that will eventually prove most useful in the planning of political opposition to this particular status quo. We need to take Price-Anderson on directly. We need to point to the corruption it's caused to our government, our regulators, and our judicial system, and educate people to their status as human sacrifices to the nuclear godling.

And when this is clearly understood by the people of this country, the decision to end our nuclear adventure and develop alternative energy sources that don't require human sacrifice will be easy. No nukes.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

It's called The Price-Anderson Act, which was first passed in 1957 to socialize the risks of utilities operating nuclear power plants in case of catastrophes like, say, meltdowns. Because in the 1950s the government wanted to encourage utilities to invest in nuclear power, but no utility would do so without a hefty liability cap in case things went wrong. Thus was established an arbitrary limit on damages any citizen could be compensated for in the event he or she was harmed or killed by a friendly neighborhood nuke.

When TMI-2 melted in 1979 Price-Anderson kicked in to provide immediate compensation to the pregnant women and children evacuated to the Hershey Convention Center (downwind in the plume), to businesses and workers who suffered lost income, and to establish a "health fund" resulting from a class action suit in 1981, just 2 years after the meltdown.
====================================

First, Price-Anderson limits are not arbitrary; but based on a study of the maximum possible consequences of a nuclear reactor accident conducted by Brookhaven National Laboratory.

Second, Price-anderson did NOT "kick-in" with regard to Three Mile Island. Price-Anderson only "kicks-in" if the damages exceed the amount of coverage from commercial underwriters, aka "insurance companies". All the expenses associated with the relocation of the citizens near Three Mile Island were paid for by the plant's owner Metropolitan Edison, and NOT the Price-Anderson fund.

life under the bridge

you know it gets cold down there in the winter.......lol

Bill, can you please provide

Bill,
can you please provide a reference for the following statement of yours, which I find deeply disturbing:

"‘Catching cancer’ from radioactive fallout is as simple as ‘catching cold’. The victim seldom notices anything out of the ordinary at the time. A few radionuclides, such as cesium and plutonium may give slight and transient burning/irritation sensations to eyes or nasal passages when inhaled."

I have felt a burning/ restricted sensation in my lungs with occasional dry cough since May 15/16, when radiation readings spiked in Seattle during heavy rains (I'm in Vancouver, BC, but as deplored before, our federal government does not supply us with daily radiation readings here). I have no allergies and not experienced this before; it also seems exacerbated when exposed to soil/ dust and driving in the car (accummulations in airfilter?). The recent information by Arnie Gunderson on breathing "hot particles" in Seattle may support these concerns (I haven't watched the video, yet). I have been very worried about inhalation, especially of Plutonium, and any scientific-based information I can get on symptoms of inhaled radioactive particles would be immensely appreciated!! Thanks so much!

That burning sensation

.

There is no intent to 'diagnose' the cause of your personal signs and/or symptoms; or to cause undue alarm. 'That burning sensation' is a long documented sign/symptom of radiation exposure, whole body and localized. I am not a radiation dosimetry expert or in any way offering medical advice. We often refer to radioactive sources as 'hot' in the thermal sense as well as the geiger count rate. Stovetops are hot and radioactive decay generates heat. Many chemicals and elements cause localized irritation. Radionuclides are for the most part, chemically noxious (toxic) as well as sources of radioactive emissions.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/pubs/00326644.pdf

On 30 December 1958, the Cecil Kelley criticality accident took place at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Cecil Kelley, a chemical operator working on plutonium purification, switched on a stirrer on a large mixing tank which created a vortex in the tank. The plutonium, dissolved in an organic solvent, flowed into the center of the vortex. Due to a procedural error, the mixture contained 3.27 kg of plutonium, which reached criticality for about 200 microseconds. Kelley received 3,900 to 4,900 rads according to later estimates. The other operators reported seeing a flash of light and found Kelley outside, saying "I'm burning up! I'm burning up!" He died 35 hours later.

Kelley’s pink skin was erythema

.
Within five or ten minutes, a nurse, supervisors, and radiation monitoring staff were all on the scene. Kelley was evidently in shock and virtually unconscious, but rather innocently, the nurse noted that Kelley had “a nice pink skin.” Because the nature of the accident was unknown at the time, it was not understood until later that Kelley’s pink skin was erythema (a redness of the skin, like that from a sunburn) caused by his radiation exposure.

Source for Seattle radioactivity readings?

Hi, what is your source for the readings you reference for Seattle in mid-May?

We have seen no spikes in Fukushima fallout here. We set very low limits on radioactive isotopes in rainwater on 5/15-16, and found only minuscule amounts in the air around that same time.

Incidentally, there is another thread about the "hot particles" issue.

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

Hi Mark, the spikes are very

Hi Mark,

the spikes are very visible on the RadNet data for May 15/16 and again 26:
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/rert/radnet-seattle-bg.html

As this is raw data, I don't know what these translate to in microSievert exposure, which would be very interesting to know.

Thanks for looking into this,
Isabel

On interpreting EPA RadNet

Hi Isabel,

I just made some comments that are relevant to this, on another thread:

EPA and Alpha, Beta, Gamma
Variation due to local weather conditions

Basically, the RadNet data can be interpreted as measuring natural background radiation, which can vary a lot in a short amount of time. Rainfall is one thing that can change the levels a lot, and this is what I thought of when you said that you noticed a spike during rainfall on 5/15-16 and 5/26. You can be sure from our rainwater and air measurements in BRAWM that the fission product isotopes from Japan have been very tiny over the course of this incident, and by mid-May were hundreds of times lower than they were in late March.

Perhaps this can put your mind at ease. I do hope that you feel better.

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

Spikes show up in gamma chart on those dates

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-seattle-bg.html#gamma

For gamma range 2, it went from around 600 up to around 1200. The other ranges jumped as well.

Poking around a bit, I saw spikes in gamma range 2 last year up to around 950+. But, nothing this significant.

And there's probably no way

And there's probably no way to prove definitively that even one of those several hundred thousand American cancer cases was caused by Fukushima, Bill.

Just the way the despicable nuclear industry likes it...

"The moment of truth"

.

Pilots calculate "the point of no return", while the passengers are along for the ride. The Spanish matador and the bull confront each other at "el momento de la verdad". Mountain climbers rope up, set their protection and commit. Divers check their gear, before taking the plunge. Humans routinely encounter "decision points" and "career decisions". Sometimes the fates decide; but preparation more generally prevails.

The Nippon government, TEPCO AND GE totally botched "the moment of truth" in Fukushima. The USA, Canada and Mexico have, to date, utterly failed to take ANY useful precautions for public protection. The citizenry has been left to make their way, without any guidance or helpful "Public Service Announcements". Worse, the false assurances by politicians and media have needlessly added to the cumulative death poll.

If you knew what to do, in a radiation fallout emergency, and you did it, your survival chances are much better. The next Fukushima cancer tsunami will arrive via North Pacific seafood. Put your money down and take your chances.

No Pacific salmon for me please!

Please how would u handle this

What would be your ideal handling of this situation bill in terms of government response? do you feel a lack of response,lack of tests,data bieng withheld ,pvt corporation with stocks to protect being in charge .in a perfect scenario explain how u could educate population without causing panic and collapse of economy.

Actual disaster planning and response

Recognizing that we do not wish to live in a command-&-control economy and that the best laid battle plan never survives the 1st volley fired…

Here are a few preliminary suggestions:

1 Public service announcements on Radio, TV and print media

-------- Topic Radiation Safety (rather like safe sex and just say no)

2 Cease destruction of federal radiation health research

3 Declassify and publish all the existing federal health related radiation documentation

4 Pubish all the radiation tests conducted by DOE, DOD, EPA, USDA and other federal agencies

5 Require nuclear reactor operators to provide KI to residences and local governments within 50 mile radius

6 Remove the MOX fuel from GE Mark-1 & GE Mark-2 Reactor systems

7 Derate Nuclear Reactors by 20% of original power rating with each (5 year maximum) renewal

8 Require standpipes and portable pumping equipment added to every reactor in USA

9 Require Boron supplies at every nuclear power plant

A Increase plant battery & charger requirements to 300% redundancy, each with 8 hour backup

B Increase plant cooling water storage and waste water emergency storage capacity

C Require a separate spent fuel pond, on each nuclear facility

D Require a 2 cent per kilowatt hour nuclear plant decommission/safety/emergency ‘sinking fund’

E Test Pacific seafood

F Require school nuclear ‘lockdowns’ and routine student decontamination procedures

G Publish food source radiation protection procedures for farms, processors and retailers

H Restore the federal radiation medication storage program

I Require power line right-of-way maintenance programs for regional nuclear evacuation purposes

J Require plant disaster scenarios to include 03/10-20/2011 Fukushima conditions

Nice list

Not bad I like your list I can't say I disagree with one item although if radiation was proven to be a carcinogen what would we do.wait it already is proven to be lol...funny like the cell phone issue okay so the non ionizing radiation is a carcinogen huffington post does this article Showing other carcinogens we are exposed to there for lessening readers shock to learn your cell phone can increase your risk of brain cancer. Let's dumbitdown dumbitdown.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/cell-phones-cancer-carcinogen_n...

List +1

Add Filters to Vent Systems

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/01/204639.html

23:12 17 January

Resumption of Japan's boiling water reactors may be delayed

TOKYO, Jan. 17, Kyodo

A member of Japan's Nuclear Regulation Authority said Thursday that boiling water reactors will not be allowed to resume operation unless they are equipped with venting systems with filters that can reduce the amount of radioactive substances when pressure is released from reactor containers during emergencies.

Of the 50 commercial reactors in Japan, 26 are BWR reactors -- the same type as the ones that suffered core meltdowns in the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant disaster. Most of them have venting systems, but the systems do not have filters.

"Without this (filtering systems), reactors will not reach the level" to be allowed to operate, said Toyoshi Fuketa, a commissioner of the NRA, which is crafting new safety standards for reactors in the wake of the nuclear crisis.

As to say

Eating and breathing Cesium 137 a fission isotope is equated to natural background radiation dumbitdown..dumbitdown less critical thinkin thinking when u can equate something...

"Everythin­g causes

"Everythin­g causes cancer"- this oft repeated phrase is music in the ears of corporate executives from Monsanto, Philip Morris, ExxonMobil­, BASF, Chevron, Reynolds Tobacco, Dow Chemical, Koch Industries­, DuPont, Shell, Union Carbide, and other polluting/­poisoning industries­. They know that their campaign of sowing doubt and fatalism in the minds of Americans regarding science has been wildly successful­- and it really didn't take that much effort to get Americans to distrust and discount science and scientific organizati­ons like the IARC. In practical terms, what it means for these polluting/­poisoning industries is that when people get cancer from their products, the victims will be hesitant to blame these industries­. Instead, the victims will merely shrug and realize that "everythin­g causes cancer, just being alive causes cancer". Nothing is better for polluting/­poisoning industries than doubt and ignorance of science in the minds of the American public.

Coincidence is not causation

Seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, antibiotics, innoculations, kevlar vests, personal hygene, exercise, surgery and good diet paradoxically increase the incidence level of cancer.

100% of every sample human group eventually dies of something.

If you eliminate trauma, cardio-vascular disease, viruses and microbes; eventually people have a very short list of things that they can die from. Thus, good health tends at present to increase cancer and cancer related deaths, except for those cancers that are cured.

That being said, the items on the above list do NOT CAUSE cancer. They just allow you to live long enough for cancer to be diagnosed.

Well, just about everything does cause cancer...

But, I think folks are mixing two subjects. There's:

1. Assessing the risk that *THIS* situation poses to our health
2. Determining the safety of nuclear power

I don't have a problem with someone comparing the additional exposure due to Fukushima with normal/everyday exposure and declaring that the risk
is extremely low. As long as it's to help us determine if we should move to the southern hemisphere or not.

If they use the comparison to say nuclear power is safe, you won't be able to convince me and certainly not the people in close proximity to the power plants.

So, just because the "everything causes cancer" statement may be of some comfort if the radiation is EXTREMELY low, it is not to be accepted as justification for continued development and use of nuclear power.

Y'know, Bill...

...God love ya, my friend, I certainly empathize with how much anxiety and stress the ongoing.Japan nuclear event has meant for you, and I really do value your opinions, your diligence, thoughtfulness, tenacity, and curiosity... But I wonder sometimes if maybe you need to take a little break from all this, if just for a few days, as I have on occasion.

You are, I think, a genuinely compassionate, concerned, constructively inclined soul, and your many contributions have been invaluable, to me personally and to many, many others here and elsewhere. I do not for one second doubt your intentions, question your agenda or have any second thoughts regarding your basic humanity. You are a straight-talking, decent and honorable fellow, if I'm any judge of character... and I usually am. But when you spend a couple of paragraphs delineating the various horrors and statistical likelihoods of bad outcomes confronting us, and then sign off with a flippant, devil-may-care, glibly morbid "non aperitif"!, I frankly wonder if all this hasn't succeeded in pushing you off the edge somewhat, from cautious optimist to sober skeptic to sarcastic cynic, and finally to smart-assed fatalist. And that would be a genuine tragedy, my friend, one among many in this crisis. We need you, Bill, clear-eyed and scrupulous and diligent and demanding and discerning. We do NOT need another "golden kazoo", and while you're still a far cry fom that kind of presence, here, you're not quite so far removed from that state as you once were, and I honestly wonder if you're even aware of the changes you have exhibited here, lately. You are FAR less willing to believe good news, for example, than you used to be, and much more insistent on the inevitability of bad outcomes. I suppose I am, too; nut, damn, man, I HATE to see my current emotional trajectory echoed in others. I need SOMEBODY to keep the optimism lamp lit, brother; 'cause if we've ALL fallen into resignation-cum-despair, then there'll be no one left to pull me out.

What I'm saying, I guess, is this: We need to KEEP HOPE ALIVE. NOT in a patronizing, disingenuous, ignorant, naive or contrary way; but in a the-future-is-not-yet-known, much-less-set sort of way. Yes, what we THINK we know is pretty damn bad, but we DON'T know EVERYTHING, least of all what happens NEXT. As I said in another thread recently: Welcome to wherever we are. I sure as Hell don't have the slightest idea where, exactly, that is, except: nowhere I'VE ever been, before.

Chin up, my friend. We need to keep one another encouraged. I for one have NO desire to be an organizational officer in some sort of apocalyptic Toastmasters or atomic Kiwanis Club. (The Knights of Cesium?) AndI really don't think you do, either.

Clear heads, open eyes, honest dialogue, candid opinions, constructive discourse. We follow those principles, we'll get through this, I promise you... together.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas

You HAVE been here before

You have been here before, Rick. If you are 40 years old, that makes you a 1971 vintage. Have you looked at the EPA reports on what's been in the air since then? The only difference is that you were blissfully unaware of what was going on before now. While many are complaining that they aren't getting enough information on things, it's the very information that we ARE getting that's scaring the hell out of us. So, if by "nowhere I'VE ever been" you mean that you've never mentally been in a situation where the information on fallout is overwhelming. And you finally realise just how small of a helpless speck of dust you are on this planet, then I can certainly understand that. I'm in the same boat. Welcome to the information age.

Thank you Rick! Completely

Thank you Rick! Completely agree that this post in particular almost seems sadistic in it's message.

Fatalistic - I think not

.

Fatalistic, I rather think not, unless you are an Aleutian Bear. Adult humans make choices. I hope that our choicess have been prudent and lucky!

Enjoy the seafood from the South Pacific, Mediterranean Sea, Indian Ocean and Atlantic. Deep lakes and spring fed rivers will produce, for the most part, safe fresh water fish. Shallow lakes ... probably should take some time to figure out the rainfall amounts during the recent radionuclide storm.

The North Pacific is now a radionuclide sewer and the Arctic is less than pristine. Pick your diet with some care, and ...

Bon Appétit!

Neglected to sign post

.

Neglected to sign post.

Bill Duff

Fear mongering and

Fear mongering and unprovable. You sir are a tool.

Too big to fail

.

The Fukushima adventure has certainly ‘put to bed’ the notion that the General Electric Corporation and Japan, Inc. are “too big to fail”.

For they have failed dramatically, repeatedly, miserably, totally and fatally.

SBD

.

Radioactive fallout is 'Silent But Deadly'.

Death quite literally 'rains down from the sky'.