NHK: TEPCO BELIEVES STABILIZING REACTORS IMPOSSIBLE
The day we all knew was coming, and dreaded, has arrived.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/05/94111.html
Time to bring in the military, and a MULTINATIONAL emergency force. Two and a half months PAST time, actually.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Biggest disaster in history.
Biggest disaster in history. Not one line of coverage on cnn.com. Something is very wrong with this picture.
225 sieverts radioactivity measured at nuclear reactor No. 1
Dear Anonymous,
An update for you-
Re your comment: "Relax.... They [Tepco] are going to keep pumping water into the things and they will stay cool enough to keep things from getting
significantly worse."
Radiation contamination levels in No. 1 reactor at Fukushima over this past week through today keep blasting well above 200 sieverts. On Sunday radioactivity was reported to have been 225 sieverts for No. 1 Fukushima nuclear reactor, the highest ever measured! At this rate, it is said that death would occur within one minute of exposure. Today unit # 1 radiation levels, including a humidity of 99% plus, were reported to be just under vaporizing. And, now No. 2 reactor's measured cesium radiation levels are said to have doubled those for No. 1 reactor. According to NHK World English Japan, "Tokyo Electric Power Company detected 2 million becquerels of radioactive cesium per cubic centimeter of water in the basement of the No. 1 reactor building." Well, if the cesium levels of #2 have doubled those of reactor #1, that means that over 4 million becquerels of radioactive cesium are now happily vacationing in unit #2.
Unit # 1's 225 sieverts of overall radioactivity (reported to be just under vaporization), plus the 4 million becquerels of radioactive cesium at unit # 2 doesn't seem to me like that is keeping things 'cool enough' to keep things from getting significantly worse. Not by a long shot!
Sources:
http://news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/2011/05/radiation-in-reactor-1-dry...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/31_03.html
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_07.html
Correction re the 99% plus
Correction re the 99% plus humidity statement: That should read 99.9% humidity in No. 2 reactor; and, not at No. 1.
You are getting the data
You are getting the data from Reactor No. 1 and Reactor No. 2 messed up.
1. Check source links below
1. Check source links below for supporting verification/validity re Unit # 1's 225 sieverts of overall radioactivity (reported to be just under vaporization). And, re the double the becquerels of radioactive cesium at unit # 2 compared to unit #1. Since Tepco is reporting Unit #1 to be at 2 million becquerels of radioactive cesium, that puts the cesium at Unit #2 at 4 million becquerels of radioactive cesium.
2. I do stand corrected re my 99.0% humidity statement. That should have read 99.9% humidity in No. 2 reactor; and, not at No. 1. Will correct the 99.9% statement via an attached comment.
**Again, check the following sources for verification:
http://news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/2011/05/radiation-in-reactor-1-dry...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/31_03.html
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_07.html
Mixing air and water measurements
You are also mixing air and water measurements:
"The results show the Number 2 reactor building's radioactive cesium level is twice as high as the cesium level in air not purified in the Number 1 reactor building."
They are talking about trying to purify the air in reactor No. 2. But,
can't at this point due to the humidity.
Cesium levels have not worsened
Back on March 27, the following was reported by a number
of news outlets:
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/World/_Million_Times_Higher_Radiation_De...
"TEPCO said the radioactive materials in water of the No.2 reactor included 2.9-billion becquerels of iodine-134,13-million becquerels of iodine-131, and 2.3-million becquerels each for cesium 134 and 137. These substances are emitted during nuclear fission inside a reactor core.Emergency workers trying to cool the nuclear plant were temporarily evacuated following the detection of extremely high radiation"
That's 2.3-million becquerels *each* for cesium 134 and 137. Which is
4.6 million becquerels for total cesium in reactor No. 2. So if reactor
No. 1 is now at 2 million becquerels total cesium , then yes, No. 2 is
double that. But, the radioactive cesium in No. 2 hasn't apparently
changed in two months.
So now we must add full body
So now we must add full body tinfoil to our long-suffering hats?
From the very start of this nightmare for the Japanese people, non-aligned experts have insisted at least 3 reactors are totally out-of-control wrecked.
THERE IS NO PRIMARY CONTAINMENT.
There is NO plan available to halt what will end up being a slow motion genocide. Thanks a bunch, you psychopaths driving this insanity forward. You know who you are but perhaps you don’t yet realise that millions of angry people know too?
As one example amongst many:-
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/naming-names-your-real-governm...
tinfoil is not flattering to
tinfoil is not flattering to my figure. I'm using wax paper.
Some other perspectives...
(Btw, that initial link I posted was to Kyodo News, not NHK. Sorry for the confusion.)
> http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110530a2.html, "Stabilizing reactors by year's end may be impossible: Tepco" (Japan Times)
..."[O]fficials...believe that 'there will be a major delay to work' to contain the situation... '[N]ine months is just a target deadline for which we are making efforts,' a senior Tepco official said."
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tepco-cant-stabilize-reactors-by-year-e..., "Tepco can't stabilize reactors by year-end: report" (MarketWatch)
..."[A] TEPCO official handling the technical aspects of the crisis, said, 'We must first determine where it is leaking and seal it.' The official added, 'Unless we understand the extent of the damage, we don't even know how long that work alone would take,' noting the need for one or two months more than previously thought to establish an entirely new cooling system."
You get the picture.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Beat me to the draw,
Beat me to the draw, Rick.
JAPANTODAY Japan News and Discussion also reports:
"TEPCO believes stabilizing reactors by year-end impossible
Monday 30th May, 07:48 AM JST"
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tepco-believes-stabiliz...
In the mean time, Fukushima No. 1 reactor, as you point out Rick, continues to leak away. And, I mean really leak away.
Some half life decay periods for the following radionuclides I have seen reported:
* Iodine 131: 8 days
* Cesium 134: two years
* Cesium 137: 30 years
* Uranium 238: 4.5 billion years
* Uranium 235: 710 million years
* Plutonium 239: 24,100 years
* Strontium 90: 30 years
So, no way on May 26th could the radiation levels go from +200 sieverts to 40 some sieverts over a 24 hour period of time in Fukushima No. 1 nuclear reactor without some serious leakage! A massive serious leak.
Two days later, Tepco reports that indeed the reactor No. 1 is leaking, but they are not sure where. That's encouraging. More contamination. More contamination. More contamination.
P.S., A couple of weeks ago,
P.S., A couple of weeks ago, or so, Tepco was threatening to release some of the water from one of its reactors, if radiation levels continued to remain so seriously, dangerously high. I don't remember which reactor that was, but just maybe, just maybe that is exactly what Tepco did--- release "some" of the radiated water from reactor #1. And, then blame the sudden fall in radiation levels to leaks in reactor #1! This way they could 'better' avoid being accused of poisoning the environment, or ocean... wherever the heck the radiated water went.
Hm-m-m-m
That is, I mean that Tepco
That is, I mean that Tepco may be trying to avoid being accused of "intentionally" poisoning the environment with releases of extremely highly radiated water-- by instead claiming water leakage at the reactor No.
"So, no way on May 26th
"So, no way on May 26th could the radiation levels go from +200 sieverts to 40 some sieverts over a 24 hour period of time"
Well, it also went up to +200 sieverts from 40 some sieverts on May 21, so go figure. By the way it went up again on May 27.
By the way, I find it
By the way, I find it interesting that Fukushima's live feed camera is still showing no pics!
Well, remember...
...They're having a wee bit of a squall over there, right now. Heavy rain, gusts to 20-30 mph, according to The Weather Channel. A glancing blow from that typhoon -- maybe we got lucky for once (this time), for whatever it's worth.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Yeah, but seemed the camera
Yeah, but seemed the camera was doing the 'no pics' thing before the weather turned. Now, it is making funny sounds when the live feed is supposed to be renewing the pics.... I wouldn't put it past Tepco to, shall we say, adjust the camera a bit. A lot has gone wrong over the past two days. Wonder what else is brewing at Fukushima? Boy, I shouldn't even ask that, huh....
Just in from NHK...
...Apparently the "tropical storm" conditions at the plant are challenging enough that some (outdoor only?) efforts have been suspended...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_13.html
...I'd be lying if I said I felt GOOD about this -- something about piling sandbags up in an effort to preserve critical electrical systems, makes my sphincter pucker. I'll breathe easier, say, Wednesday, if there's been no further (reported) deterioration by then...
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Worse for those in Japan
Relax Rick. If the things were going to go "China Syndrome" on us, it
would have already done so. They are going to keep pumping water into
the things and they will stay cool enough to keep things from getting
significantly worse. Now, where that water will end up is the real big
question. They'll obviously have to set up a much larger water storage
facility. I'm still wondering if they can get oil tankers close enough
to the plant to pump the water to them. Plus, the French are supposedly
coming to the rescue to decontaminate the water at a relatively high
rate. That will hopefully allow TEPCO to at least recirculate the water
and not have use new water and continue pumping as much into storage.
Hopefully they won't pump the "decontaminated" water into the ocean. As
it has been reported, it's not completely decontaminated. Just "better".
They are unfortunately doing that in France.
The other thing to worry about are the typhoons. If they take out the
fragile infrastructure they've managed to cobble together, things could
get out of control again. That's my biggest concern at this point.
In the mean time, those who have their homes close to the plant will have
to stay away longer. Why they would be allowed go back, why they would
*want* to go back and if they will actually ever go back are big questions
in my mind.
Meanwhile, since nothing significant appears to be coming to the US at
this point, we just sit back and enjoy our existing doses. Just like we've
done in the past. Same s$*t, different decade.
"If the things were going to
"If the things were going to go "China Syndrome" on us, it
would have already done so."
Big statement. Please corroborate.
Thanks, and I'll consider what you say. But...
...What I'm REALLY worried about, at this point, is seafood.
Tuna, salmon, shrimp, crab, clam, mussels, all manner of whitefish like tilapia. I love it all. My family eats it all. Not to mention green tea, seaweed and kelp. And I just don't think I can trust ANY of it, EVER AGAIN. Not with the sort of information I found earlier about possible cesium releases into the Pacific.
Any thoughts on that?
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Feel better about the ocean
First, I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. Second, I'm no
happier about his mess than you are.
Ok, my thoughts. Feel free to counter them. I'm not sensitive :-)
I feel better about the ocean handling what's been dumped in it than the
air. It's a big ocean. And it's much slower moving than the air masses.
So, I think the dilusion should be more complete. Even the Fukushima
offshore monitoring that's being done has shown very rapid dilusion over a
realtively short distance (check the IAEA reports). The amount of
contamination that has been dumped into the ocean to date seems like
a huge amount. But, looking at the Pacific ocean as a whole, saying it's
a drop in the bucket would be grossly giving the drop too much weight.
As for seafood, I personally would avoid anything that lived or traveled
close to the source of contamination. I'm sorry, but it's not my
responsiblity to keep Japan's economy going. I don't have much of a
concern about US local seafood (the stuff that *stayed* local). At least no
more concern than I had before this mess started. But, anything that
migrates over there is a concern for me. So, that would take tuna off my
menu. At least until I see some consistent testing that shows they are not
accumulating this stuff. And I'll just pay attention to where the others you listed came from. Most can be had from local sources.
Well, I always think of
Well, I always think of Mercury when I think of ocean pollution. The ocean is big, but not that big... it occurs some of this radioactive water could be evaporated or concentrated in the rain cycle, I don't know for sure, but seems plausible. Also, my last thought is... trusting the IAEA is not advisable, I am most uncomfortable with their agreement with the WHO...which renders both agencies worthless...
"The principal statutory objective of the IAEA is “to accelerate and enlarge the contribution of atomic energy to peace, health and prosperity throughout the world”. The WHO/IAEA Agreement stipulates that
“Whenever either organization proposes to initiate a programme or activity on a subject in which the other organization has or may have a substantial interest, the first party shall consult the other with a view to
adjusting the matter by mutual agreement”. The Agreement also provides (Article III) for the application of “certain limitations for the safeguarding of confidential information”. This confidentiality led to the nonpublication of proceedings of the WHO Conference on Chernobyl..."
You can read more at the site quoted... http://www.ippnw-europe.org/commonFiles/pdfs/Atomenergie/appeal_healthpr...
and the Lord gave us the fishes... and look what we allowed to happen...
If I filled a bucket with
If I filled a bucket with water, and then added just one drop of the most hazardous substance I could find, the whole bucket would suffer contamination.
It is worse in the ocean when you have intact food chains hastening and compounding the dispersion.
Aquariums, and perhaps fish
Aquariums, and perhaps fish farms, have pristine species that perhaps can be used to repopulate species in safe waters after this incident and our research into determining said safe waters all said and done.
About the fish, as long as
About the fish, as long as it's local it should be OK at least for this season. And remember uncontrolled dumping of nuclear waste into the ocean was common not so long ago.
Also, the Japanese are testing their fishery.
http://www.jfa.maff.go.jp/e/inspection/index.html
The contamination is spreading but is still limited to the local industry. They would eventually establish an extensive testing network, since they would be the first victims.
Too fast for me
I'm sorry, but the Japanese government is easing their food restrictions
way to fast for me. I'll pass on their products until testing by multiple
non-Japanese agencies shows no contamination. NOT "meets Japan's limits".
Why did you have to change
Why did you have to change the headline? It wasn't sensational enough in its original form?
"TEPCO believes stabilizing Fukushima reactors BY YEAR-END impossible"
Space-saving<?>(first time in 9,987 posts!)
Blame it on the 3 "H"'s!=mostly*H-ysterical,-usually*H-aughty,& always a*H-emorrhoid! Whattya expect from a douchebag lifer squid whose unstable mental state leaves him pissing himself in fear every time the Radiac monitor on the South Gate of his trailer park in the land of steers & queers shows a "spike" as p/u trucks w/roadkill pass thru the gates with dinner for the Koreshian survivors? LOL!! Looks like Commander McBragg is having as rough a time dealing with the nuke crisis 7,000 miles from his location as he is dealing with his mid-life crisis!! No worries though-he'll be back to saturating this forum with his useless rants & crybaby BS and re-posts of extremist "Gloomsday" articles with his custom "space-saving" consideration when citing speculative analysis & findings from sources as full of crap as their opposites at TEPCO,etc. Maybe it's a sign that he's getting desperate for attention since many of the people who seek answers from "experts" and get Admiral Cromack citing other peoples work-whether it be accurate or the UCB staff concur with the 2nd hand BS or not. If we're all lucky he'll re-engage with one of his "other" persona's that better grasp the reality that he's fast becoming "A Legend In His Own Mind",lol!! "Rikki"-the personality that emerges from a sea-pussy who enjoys 6-9 month periods undersea in a submarine full of men doesn't qualify either!-unless there's some good reason that somebody who volunteered for submarine duty & served for a decade & didn't learn a damned thing about the nuke-powered,nuke-armed boat they were on. I did see where "Rikki" was congratulated for "his contribution" to spreading fear & environmental extremist articles on extreme left "energy" websites & it would seem to point to his "space-saving" measures being due to the empty "space" between "Rikki" the sea-pussys ears!!LMAO!! What a joke!!*F.T.N.*
Wow. Anon...you come off as
Wow. Anon...you come off as a real a hole and a coward. Your animosity towards Rick is remarkable and unusual. NOTHING is more pathetic than anonymously attacking someone online.
Hey, now, hold up a sec...
...That's CHIEF Cromack. I worked for a living.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Actually...
...It was a space-conserving decision, but I really don't think it matters, actually. If they can't do it in, what, seven months, I don't believe it can be done, period. They're running put of people they can throw at this thing. They fix one system, another fails. The entire plant is at the mercy of wind, rain, aftershocks, additional earthquakes, tsunamis. They can't even get close enough to the reactors to accurately assess operations, let alone to effect repairs or install new systems. They can't stop radiation from flowing into the ocean. Hell, the entire reactor 1 core might very well be on patrol in the open sea RIGHT NOW, spewing cesium in an endless geyser of death.
They can't even entomb the damn thing in concrete. At some point they're just going to lock the gate and walk away. It's about all TEPCO's good for, anyway, the lying, face-saving, apologizing, worthless bastards. (Drawing a distinction, here, between doomed plant personnel, and so-called "management".
I've been on this Forum since the beginning. I've been DESPERATE, eager, more than willing, to embrace hope. It's gone. This thing has no end to it. But, sure, yeah, I'll bite, even now. Tell me I'm wrong. Make me believe. Convince me. 'Cause I don't want to be right, not this time.
P.S. The worst revelations always come on the weekends, you notice? Gee, I wonder why.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
"Hell, the entire reactor 1
"Hell, the entire reactor 1 core might very well be on patrol in the open sea RIGHT NOW, spewing cesium in an endless geyser of death."
The analysis of the seawater around the plant doesn't indicate this, though. There is ongoing contamination, they have detected another spike of Iodine-131 near the water intake of reactor No.2, for example, but the levels detected are around 100,000 times less than the ones detected 2 months ago.
"P.S. The worst revelations always come on the weekends, you notice?"
It's Monday afternoon in Tokyo.
ROTFL! Okay, well, yes, it IS Monday morning in Tokyo...
...Fair enough. Thanks for trying to talk me off the ledge. Not certain it's working... But thanks.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
I think Rick is right,
I think Rick is right, considering TEPCO lack of effort I don't think they will ever stabilize the reactors - looks like their plan is to let this situation resolve itself. They don't really care about the environment, I bet they can afford to buy homes in Southern Hemisphere - maybe that's the TEPCO's president already resigned (after hiding in hospital for the first two weeks).
By the way - Rick is one of the most respected and passionate members of this forum. If you attack him have the guts to show your name.
P.S. Rick, I agree to pretty much everything you are posting here. Keep it up ;-) Humanity desperately needs people like you.
Hear, hear. Thanks, Rick!
Hear, hear. Thanks, Rick!
Yes, I too appreciate Rick's
Yes, I too appreciate Rick's posts.