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Does anyone know what has happened to this site. It has been important for finding radiation information.
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Does anyone know what has happened to this site. It has been important for finding radiation information.
http://enenews.com/ See
http://enenews.com/
See here. Latest news: Highest Cesium-137 level in nearly a month for N. California raw milk
I do watch enenews, but am
I do watch enenews, but am getting sick of them - they have a definite bias to make the worst out of anything.
That Cs-137 measurement is from the BRAWN team. Look for the raw milk Cs-137 chart, and there was a slight uptick. But Cs-134 went below MDA, and of course, the I-131 was gone as it has been for a while.
Looking at the "normal" milk, Cs-137 declined, Cs-134 held steady.
Overall trend in milk sample is down, but they used one data point to make a scary story instead of looking at all available info.
Sensational Headlines
They are good at posting the most sensational headlines. For the Cs-137
in milk headline, they didn't bother to include that the FDA DIL is 33,000
pCi/L. Which is approx. 2500x what the BRAWM team reported. But, a headline
of "Nothing to worry about" doesn't get attention.
When did FDA Raise Levels
I could have sworn FDA's DIL was 4650 (something close to that number). When did they raise it to 33,000.
Drinking water action level is 3 piC/L (set by EPA). Until milk is below that level, it's off the table for me.
Different DIL's For Different Radionuclides
The DIL for I-131 in milk is 4700.
The DIL for Cs-134 & Cs-137 is 33000
There are 3 other groups listed as well.
These levels were set for situations like we have right now (nuclear
accident/incident). And are set with contamination expected to be no
longer than 1 year. The EPA set their limit with the expection that a
person will drink the water for 70 years. The EPA does not set limits
for food products. That the domain of the FDA.
DIL Chart:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/UCM251056.pdf
Supporting Document For DILs (also has infant info):
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/FoodContaminantsAdulteration/Chemical...
Changed in 1998
I forgot to mention that the DILs were created in 1998. It replaced
a 1982 FDA doc. The second link above details the reasoning behind
that change.
I tried to google it, I
I tried to google it, I think it turned into entertainment online (e-news)
the show must go on!
has the government taken
has the government taken over this site too??????
enenews
It's back. I guess I am getting paranoid. If it weren't for sites like this, I would think that I have gone crazy. The lack of news, response, information and the unwillingness of most people to even focus on Japan is maddening. Thanks so much for the invaluable work you are doing.
Rational Paranoia
I think that sheepishly admitting that we have "paranoia," is selling ourselves short. Especially now, when so much of what has been sadly predicted and theorized has indeed come to pass.
No, we are not suffering from some crazy form of paranoia. On the contrary, we our expressing what I think of as "Rational Paranoia."
So, let's hold our collective and questioning heads high! From now on, let us unite in calling our inquisitiveness under these circumstances, "Rational Paranoia!"
Frankly, at this point, any rational person ought to be in this camp!
I'm curious
What predicted and theorized things have come to pass?
"Fearmongers" predicted: -
"Fearmongers" predicted:
- that Fukushima would be worse than TMI;
- that Fukushima would be as bad as Chernobyl;
- that the fuel had melted;
- that radioactive fallout would reach the USA;
- that TEPCO was being dishonest;
- that a wider area would need to be evacuated;
- that the situation would take longer than 9 months to control (it was announced today that it will take longer than 9 mos.)...
...and more.
Read this article, notice the date, and browse the comments:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/japan/11031...
Thanks for the specific points to be responded to
Who besides the "Fearmongers" predicted the following things
would happen??
***that Fukushima would be worse than TMI;
Anyone and everyone who watched the reactor buildings explode.
Prior to that, nobody outside the plant had a clue what would
happen.
***that Fukushima would be as bad as Chernobyl;
Depends on what you mean by "as bad". If we are talking about
being a level 7, many early on classified it at that level. Only the
Japanese were in denial by classifying it as a level 4. Reactor
1 building exploded on 3/12. And the evacuation area was extended
to 12km that same day. That alone made it a level 7 accident.
But, by 3/16, even the US state department urged Americans living
within 80km (50 miles) of Fukushima. That clearly bumped it out
of the level 4 classification. Which was widely reported.
If you mean the level of contamination in Japan and around the
world is as bad as Chernobyl, we'll have to wait for a more complete
data set to be able to completely compare that. But, it certainly
could be.
***that the fuel had melted;
The Japanese agencies reported that at least a partial meltdown
of reactor #3 had occurred as early as 3/13. This is one day after
the unit 1 explosion. And only 2 days after the tsunami.
The NRC chief Greg Jaczko, as early as 3/16, was saying that
there was a meltdown.
***that radioactive fallout would reach the USA;
On 3/17, Obama said ‘‘We do not expect harmful levels of radiation to
reach the United States". Notice, he did NOT say it wouldn't reach
the US. I think anyone aware of the situation realized that something
would be detected in the US, but whether it would be "harmful levels"
or not was the question.
From 3/18 even the EPA kept saying that they detected isotopes from the
disater and were "consistent with our expectations ".
***that TEPCO was being dishonest;
From the very beginning, it was widely reported (even by the US media)
that TEPCO had a history of being less than honest about their operations.
As far as lies about the condition of the plant post tsunami, I'd like
to see something documented that shows that they have lied vs. simply
not knowing what is going on due to a chaotic environment, damaged gear
and poor execution. I'm not in a state of denial. But, I'm also not in
a state where I get suspicious just because TEPCO doesn't immediately
validate my "predictions". They have to report hard data. Not gut feelings.
That takes time. Not saying they haven't lied. But, I don't want them
shooting from the hip.
***that a wider area would need to be evacuated;
As mentioned above, the US State Dept. said the same thing. The IAEA
also disagreed with the distance of the Japanese evacuation area.
***that the situation would take longer than 9 months to control (it was announced today that it will take longer than 9 mos.)...
Anyone watching the reactors exploding and the radiation levels spike
knew that. And the requirement for a protracted cleanup effort was
reported back in March. A rag and some 409 won't do it.
So, if the "Fearmongers" are going to be so proud of their "predictions",
they should try predicting something that wasn't already stated by the
government agencies and mass media. THEN the "Fearmongers" can beat on
their insecure chests and scream "WE WERE RIGHT!!!". While a tragedy still
unfolds in Japan.
You miss the point. People
You miss the point. People were called, and continue to be called, "fearmongers" for repeating current events.
Who could have predicted
Who could have predicted that an earthquake would cause a nuclear reactor to suffer a complete meltdown, have the nuclear fuel melt through the bottom of the containment vessel, come into contact with ground water and cause a hydrogen gas explosion spreading radiation over a populated area? It would make a great movie; you could call it “China Syndrome”.
MORONS!!! We told you 40 years ago this would happen and your stupid nuclear “experts” said it was impossible. MORONS!!!
it was much easier...
to find rational to justify how it never could really happen, thus to continue blissfully creating these plants, and worse yet, the current fuel storage problem that we are seeing in the US.
Yeah, that's real helpful.
Well, speaking for the as-yet unborn "40 years ago" (I'm still a couple months shy of The Big Four-Oh), my recent -- and entirely real, btw -- feelings of naivety, responsibility, and guilt, being a LIFELONG SUPPORTER of nuclear power, are now somewhat softened after reading your hysterical, obnoxious denouncement. After all, if YOU were a living, educated, thinking being back in the early '70s, and KNEW that something like this was destined to happen one day -- which seems to be your point -- then, frankly, it was YOUR job, responsibility and privilege, Mr. Know-It-All Enlightened Smarty-Pants, to use that big brain, big emotion and big mouth you're so obviously proud of to STOP the big, bad military-industrial-corporate-Illuminati-Armageddon Club members from BUILDING such monstrosities. YOU FAILED, despite -- or is it because of? -- your frothing and unbridled passion, seething resentment of anyone who fails to immediately agree with you, and total rejection of civil discourse. One COULD, in fact, make the argument that yipping attention-whores and doomsday cheerleaders like yourself, with your dismissive attitudes, antagonistic rhetoric and antisocial behavioral antics, have done a far, far greater disservice to the anti-nuclear movement, undermining its salient points and crowding out its more credible but less camera-hogging voices, than ANYTHING the so-called "nuclear cartel" has managed to pull off, even with all its money, power, and political influence. The piercing shrillness, hyperventilating desperateness, and borderline gleefulness of HOW you say things, in short, obscures, blunts and negates much of the sense, relevancy and logic of WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY. In other words: Maybe if you and people like you didn't come across so often as raving, wild-eyed, frantic, lunatic nutbars, seemingly FAR more interested in whipping others into an anarchist frenzy, infecting your fellow citizen victims with limitless fear and despair, sticking it to "the man" and enhancing your own immediate popularity with other sociopathic vultures, you'd have more people take you seriously... including yours truly. Want to know what I think? I think you just use GENUINE, REAL CONCERNS and LEGITIMATE CRISES AND DANGERS to gin people up, so you can bask in the momentary limelight that such disasters afford people like you. You take genuine disaster and wear it like a fancy suit, so you can show off how prescient and enlightened and special you are, and mock everyone else while they worry and tremble and suffer. What, if I may ask, is that "I-told-you-so" WORTH to you? Is it worth offending those you pretend to care about, so that they turn from your ugly, nasty, aggressive demeanor and stick their fingers in their ears to the points you supposedly want so desperately to make? What means more to you: BEING EFFECTIVE, or BEING "RIGHT"?
...So, there. What, don't think what I had to say, there, was particularly helpful? Good; maybe you got the point, then. Neither is wagging your finger and calling people, "MORONS". You're so f---ing smart, why don't you use that grey matter of yours and think about THAT.
Sorry for the rough language, everyone.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
wow...
Get over yourself Rick.
I'll be brief...
DITTO, Rick!!!!!
As someone commented on this
As someone commented on this story,
CBC continues to underplay this story. The dominant headline around the world on this issue for today was the confirmed meltdown of two other reactors, not a UN probe that can do nothing at this stage. An odd choice of story.
Not that this was news to anyone following the many independent, careful and expert sources on the web that do not rely on TEPCO press releases. I have been on two fora that predicted a month ago that the fuel had to have melted down, gave the full rationale, and challenged the industry to verify the possibility sooner rather than later... over a month later, as it turned out.
Nor is the flooding mentioned by CBC from the tsunami; it is the result of frantic efforts to cool the fuel rods AND the spent fuel pools located above the reactors. That water is now highly radioactive and is flowing through the reactor pressure vessels and into the basement. There is suspicion it is entering the groundwater; some has already reached the sea. But what else can they do, as no one can get near enough any of the four reactors to do any meaningful work.
Since CBC isn't reporting it, it's worth mentioning that reactor 4's building is leaning to the side; and there are expert (genuine, not armchair) analyses suggesting strongly that a nuclear explosion of some sort took place in 3's spent fuel pool. This is the reactor that is a smouldering heap, and it is thought that intact plutonium found 2 km away was ejected by this explosion. Furthermore, this is an outright lie: "The melted fuel rods, which appear to have fallen into a lump at the bottom of each of the three pressure vessels, currently pose no immediate problem because they are mostly covered with water being pumped into the chamber and are at temperatures far below dangerous levels.".
A further link on all 3 reactor meltdowns, with good detail: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110524005872.htm
Have a look and you'll see why the assertion about the reactor cores still being in containment ranges between wildly optimistic and a criminal lie. I expect much better from a broadcaster-- and this one isn't even for-profit. What does CBC have to lose by investigating its sources and doing some digging? Clearly the Japanese media feel they need to report this and presumably they're under a lot of pressure to "not cause panic".
I am completely
I am completely disillusioned with CBC since reporting on Fukushima started, while I touted them until now as one of the best broadcasters around world. I am not even listening to mainstream media anymore as they do not have anything substantial to say on this topic. But then, they need funds from the federal government to continue business. And our federal government has no interest in bad press on nuclear energy, as a new CANDU reactor is under development; Canada mines and exports some of the highest grade uranium; and reportedly 70,000 jobs are related to the nuclear industry in this beautiful country who does not want to hear, see or say anything. Ironically, CBC radio 1 had a show on this morning on "willful blindness". That's exactly what's happening here.