Leuren Moret

I'm really interested to hear if anybody else has watched her youtube videos. She is making some pretty blunt...pretty wild claims. Conspiracy theorists/debunkers please enlighten me.

Jokers

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The logical fallacies are certainly mounting up on this thread. In fact the entire thread appears to be disruptive in nature. There are enough Red Herrings for a fish fry and too many false dichotomies to count. And for good measure there are numerous ‘straw man’, ad hominem and non sequitor flaws.

I have not previously noted any tendency toward ‘Grand Conspiracy’, or such theorists, on this Berkeley Nuclear Engineering site. No one has ever suggested that the earthquake and tsunami were anything other than random natural geophysical events. I do not recall anyone asserting that the plant was deliberately sabotaged by nefarious intent or that the site crew did anything but their best to maintain the integrity of the reactors. The decision makers at GE, Hitachi, TEPCO, Japan and Areva clearly had some notion of the seismic and tsunami probabilities, which they minimized to cut costs. The players knew they could increase the level of precautions, but probably thought they could ‘get by’ with less.

That being said, there have most certainly been some shills, house players and Agents Provacateurs on this website, some likely in the direct employ of the direct architects of this Fukushima disaster. This thread appears to represent one such attempt to disrupt and discredit any rational discussion of the decisions leading to March 11 and thereafter.

Concerned about .....that being said

Jesus, I am sick of hearing or reading the phrase,
THAT BEING SAID. A few years ago, it was hegemony. The NO PROBLEM phrase is
still getting lots of repeats. But for goodness sake, it would seem the Berkeley group would be a bit above the fray and not fall for that hideous and offensive habit of trying to be like everyone else. It only makes people look stupid and anything but original thinkers when the phrase, THAT BEING SAID is used.
Please, stop using that phrase. I am hearing it in my sleep.

Ok, I've gotta say it - is

Ok, I've gotta say it - is your underwear stuck in your butt or something?
Did you really take up space on this topic, to insult the person who took the time to construct a thoughtful comment, because a particular phrase bothers you?
Please, do us all a favor - if you haven't something intelligent to share, don't waste our time complaining about trivial annoyances.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Disregarding causation, liability and politics…

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Perhaps the Japanese people should consider evacuation of Hokkaido and Honshu Islands. It may be a good idea to ‘cull’ all the doomed conifers (pine trees) in favor of deciduous plants that are more radiation hardy. Oh, and that seafood diet thing may not be a good survival plan, unless imported from far-far away. Pen fed chicken, fed grain from the Southern Hemisphere and RO water, may reduce the inevitable Japanese mass die off.

US military personnel stationed at Adak Island, Dutch John and the Marshall Islands should be issued radiation suits and receive hazard pay. USA consumers should probably snub seafood from the Aleutian Island, Puget Sound and San Francisco Bay between 2012 AD and 2300 AD. It may also be prudent to restrict seafood from off the coasts of Southern California, Baja and Hawai’i between 2013 AD and 2301 AD. That end date might need to be extended to 3999 AD, 9999 AD or perhaps 9999999 AD, but that will be someone elses call. Mariners in the North Pacific might be advised to cease washing the ships with unfiltered sea water and strolling the deck.

Glad you have it all figured out

I don't know what posts you've been reading, but there is no shortage
of "Grand Conspiracy" postings. Maybe not as far as the lunacy of the
earthquake or tsunami being purposely created. Although, I'm sure some
are not too far away from that belief. But, there certainly have been
plenty that believe every agency, every industry, every expert connected
to the government in any way and every media outlet is directly tied
to the industry in some way. And therefore is incapable of providing
any true information. And many will come to that conclusion on any issue
before they've even looked for a logical explaination for an action taken
by any of the above mentioned groups. That type of posting is FAR more
common on this forum than anyone who has said "I love nuclear power",
"we should continue building nuclear power plants" or "a few thousand
more cancer deaths is acceptable".

Now, I must say that I find your consistent "shills, house players and
Agents Provacateurs" very insulting and unnecessary. You waste no time in
insulting people simply because they ask questions or dare to have a
different view than you. I am totally against nuclear power. But, because
I dared asked questions about the motives and accuracy of some anti-nuke
pundits, you've called me a "shill" before. Which, to me, "appears to
represent one such attempt to disrupt and discredit any rational
discussion of the decisions leading to March 11 and thereafter". And
sarcastic comments and name calling only serves to damage your cause.
Unless your only cause is to insult people.

So, please try. Just try to post comments WITHOUT insulting people. I'm
really curious if you are capable of that.....

. Dear Anonymous-?, How

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Dear Anonymous-?,

How would we know which of your mighty number we are insulting. Pick a number and be Anonymous-1, Anonymous-2 ... Anonymous-999. Then we will be able to discuss your individual views.

And ... then you can cling to the illusion of actual web anonymity.

Oh, and for the record, I am not strongly pro-nuke or anti-nuke. It is fair to say that I have grave reservations about MOX fuel upgrades for 40 year old, defective containment designs such as the GE Mark-1 and GE Mark-2.

In my estimation, the Manhattan Project nuclear weapons saved US and Japanese lives, by ending WWII quickly. And, I am convinced that the USA nuclear umbrella deterred USSR and ChiCom aggression, and thereby saved lives. The radiation deaths were not my call, but were a rational, though rebuttable decision.

Forgot to sign post

Forgot to sign post.

Bill Duff

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com change is possible

Cult. Followers of

Cult. Followers of zeitgeist beware: Some really smart people realized years ago that they could make a ton of money pandering to conspiracy theorists...

energy

This seemed to be quite a weak possibility until Chernobyl, the world's worst nuclear accident so far. We saw pictures of a 'melt-down', where the entire core of the reactor becomes molten and uncontrollable, and also heard for the first time of a 'melt-through', where the radioactive mass melts through the earth's crust, and at the very least, contaminates the ground waterof an entire river basin system, making thousands of square miles uninhabitable for decades and totally destroying the agriculture of an entire region.

According to wiki, Leuren

According to wiki, Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who has worked around the world on radiation issues[1], educating citizens, the media, members of parliaments and Congress and other officials. She worked at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab.[2][3] An environmental commissioner in the City of Berkeley.[4]

Maybe BRAWM knows her and can comment.

It's really fascinating how

It's really fascinating how some people much prefer to believe there is a small group of individuals controlling everything that happens on the planet to the minute detail (including wars, earthquakes, the weather, TV programming...) than to consider the possibility that there is actually no one in control. Are chaos and the unexpected so scary? Since God is nowhere to be seen is it somehow reassuring to find sign of the almighty conspiracy on the daily news?

We know our democratically

We know our democratically elected leaders and media shills meet in private at Bilderberg meetings with their puppermasters. Why doesn't this bother anyone?

Yes I think it is that

Yes I think it is that frightening for alot of people. Laying blame on something/anything at all seems to have therapuetic value. I'm surprised by the lack of empathy demonstrated for Japan, or for the workers at groundzero. People are more concerned with Doomcrying and conspiracies then they are with the very real consequences. Nothing get's on my nerves more than when you read a post like "THE JAPANESE ARE KILLING US! Why isn't the USA trucking in there and putting a stop to this". Sheesh. This is a result of human folly...not "japanese folly". Look up who designed those reactors...

It's not politically correct

There's nothing glamorous about sending Americans into radioactive
harms way. Obama would be crucified if he sent Americans in to get
radiation sickness fixing what is, let's face it, seen by most of
the voting and non-voting public as a "Japan issue". The most that
will be done is to send "experts" that can give advice......from
a distance. This is no John Wayne movie.

Let's not completely

Let's not completely discount that it is certainly possible that there really is a colluding elite (knowing no national allegiances to any respective sovereigns), that they really do meet in private for good reason (Bilderberg, open thy doors!), that people like Bill Gates & David Rockerfeller really mean it when they say that useless eaters need to be culled and that the earth's ability to sustain the human population has already been ' broadband exceeded,' and that War (big 'w') is always on the table as a culling exercise when tensions runneth over (either by pre-planned design or as a natural but spontaneous consequence over resource allocation).

I am not claiming any or all of the above as factually provable, but I am certainly open to the possibility of some or all of it based on empirical evidence.

On a NOVA show that was

On a NOVA show that was aired last week Bill Gates was reported to be involved in developing "safe" nuke reactors. The subject of the show was energy/power. I've always liked NOVA although funded partly by David Koch. I guess a lot of people think nuclear is indispensable. The Chinese are said to be developing 400 new reactors according to NOVA. So enjoy your life while you still can. Because these reactors are ticking time bombs and a lot more of them are in the works to come on-line. I think Obama wants to subsidize 36 billion worth of new ones here.

give me a break. The only

give me a break. The only conspiracy is based on greed. There are no people plotting war except those who profit from it (the military industrial complex) and government leaders who acquire power through it, there are no people plotting expanding the nuclear industry except those who profit from it (and their political allies), there are no people plotting "a new world order" except those who profit from "free trade" that reduces 95% of the planet's population to slaves working to increase their profits. it's greed, plain and simple. Look at the Koch brothers and how they are buying OUR elections. They're not doing it out of some ideology, but for plain old fashioned MONEY. War is not a "culling exercise". It's immensely profitable for a small group of people. Do you think Haliburton and Blackwater and their shareholders care about global population issues, and that people are intentionally polluting the planet to kill off people (indescriminately, so that they too - and their families - may be affected). That is just absurd. Why is it so hard for people to believe that all of this is motivated by plain GREED.

Motivation

I would say it's POWER and GREED. I agree with you mostly, but I also think there's a sociopathic component (e.g. a lack of empathy for people and the earth) to many of them at the top. I think they enjoy being able to control things. Since they control the money supply, they control nations - the power can be like a drug. I think some of them will do whatever it takes to maintain their status and some simply get off on it.

Also, I think many are in collusion, either purposely or because it just happens that the things they do work in harmony with each other.

You're telling us that the

You're telling us that the people at the top with so many magnitudes more than the those atop the FORBES 100 are really, seriously interested in more? Your own greedy delusions have you delusional. Money is the game of the powerless.

lol... now who is

lol... now who is delusional? You have the weight of human history against you.

Greed

Do you think that the term "greed" was made up to describe some
fictitious characters? If there's no wealth involved, they are not
in the game. How do you think they got so wealthy in the first
place? It's because they love the game of wealth and play it well.

Definition of GREED
: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is
needed

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/greed

Did this poster even watch

Did this poster even watch her videos?

I've looked all over and

I've looked all over and can't find any statements made by Bill Gates regarding "eaters"...reference please. Wikileaks released the minutes from several bilderberg meetings and none of it seemed very damning and as far as I know overpopulation is good for business...supply and demand (9th grade Economics). Would a weapon like Haarp exist without the rest of the world knowing about it and crying "foul play"? It's impossible to get our own government to agree on any one issue how could a group of super elites dominate and control the entire globe without one slip up...one disagreement....one whiste blower? I'm starting to get the feeling ENENEWs, Radiationfears, Alex Jones, The Idealist are full of S&#!. I think it's odd how quickly those sites popped up after the crisis and how they seem to perpetuate "old" news and only pick up on the most frightening articles. Perhaps the real conspiracy is how much money and patronage the scare mongerering conspiracy theorists are making by taking advantage of people's natural phobias and paranoia...and if that is the case then who are the "sheeple" (a term I'm growing to LOATHE) and who is the shepherd? I for one am SICK of it. It's why I seek out information from BRAWM solely. It's why I've turned to BRAWM for almost two months now with stupid questions like "Would you drink the tap water?" and "Would you drink milk if you're pregnant?".
I can't tell you how much BULLSPIT I've had to sift through to find a little bit of valuable information online. Zardoz, Haarp, this CRAP pops up and dominates the discussion on every fukushima related forum before it is eventually discredited. We wonder why people look at those of us worried about this situation like were crazy. I'm starting to wonder if we are.

^DanR...I forgot to sign

^DanR...I forgot to sign post.

Sunday, May 23, 2004 Japan's

Sunday, May 23, 2004

Japan's deadly game of nuclear roulette

By LEUREN MORET
Special to The Japan Times
Of all the places in all the world where no one in their right mind would build scores of nuclear power plants, Japan would be pretty near the top of the list.

An aerial view of the Hamaoka plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, "the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan"
The Japanese archipelago is located on the so-called Pacific Rim of Fire, a large active volcanic and tectonic zone ringing North and South America, Asia and island arcs in Southeast Asia. The major earthquakes and active volcanoes occurring there are caused by the westward movement of the Pacific tectonic plate and other plates leading to subduction under Asia.

Japan sits on top of four tectonic plates, at the edge of the subduction zone, and is in one of the most tectonically active regions of the world. It was extreme pressures and temperatures, resulting from the violent plate movements beneath the seafloor, that created the beautiful islands and volcanoes of Japan.

Nonetheless, like many countries around the world -- where General Electric and Westinghouse designs are used in 85 percent of all commercial reactors -- Japan has turned to nuclear power as a major energy source. In fact the three top nuclear-energy countries are the United States, where the existence of 118 reactors was acknowledged by the Department of Energy in 2000, France with 72 and Japan, where 52 active reactors were cited in a December 2003 Cabinet White Paper.

The 52 reactors in Japan -- which generate a little over 30 percent of its electricity -- are located in an area the size of California, many within 150 km of each other and almost all built along the coast where seawater is available to cool them.

However, many of those reactors have been negligently sited on active faults, particularly in the subduction zone along the Pacific coast, where major earthquakes of magnitude 7-8 or more on the Richter scale occur frequently. The periodicity of major earthquakes in Japan is less than 10 years. There is almost no geologic setting in the world more dangerous for nuclear power than Japan -- the third-ranked country in the world for nuclear reactors.

"I think the situation right now is very scary," says Katsuhiko Ishibashi, a seismologist and professor at Kobe University. "It's like a kamikaze terrorist wrapped in bombs just waiting to explode."

Last summer, I visited Hamaoka nuclear power plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, at the request of citizens concerned about the danger of a major earthquake. I spoke about my findings at press conferences afterward.

A map of Japan annotated by the author, showing the tectonic plates, areas of high ("observed region") and very high ("specially observed") quake risk, and the sites of nuclear reactors
Because Hamaoka sits directly over the subduction zone near the junction of two plates, and is overdue for a major earthquake, it is considered to be the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan.

Together with local citizens, I spent the day walking around the facility, collecting rocks, studying the soft sediments it sits on and tracing the nearly vertical faults through the area -- evidence of violent tectonic movements.

The next day I was surprised to see so many reporters attending the two press conferences held at Kakegawa City Hall and Shizuoka Prefecture Hall. When I asked the reporters why they had come so far from Tokyo to hear an American geoscientist, I was told it was because no foreigner had ever come to tell them how dangerous Japan's nuclear power plants are.

I told them that this is the power of gaiatsu (foreign pressure), and because citizens in the United States with similar concerns attract little media attention, we invite a Japanese to speak for us when we want media coverage -- someone like the famous seismologist Professor Ishibashi!

When the geologic evidence was presented confirming the extreme danger at Hamaoka, the attending media were obviously shocked. The aerial map, filed by Chubu Electric Company along with its government application to build and operate the plant, showed major faults going through Hamaoka, and revealed that the company recognized the danger of an earthquake. They had carefully placed each reactor between major fault lines.

"The structures of the nuclear plant are directly rooted in the rock bed and can tolerate a quake of magnitude 8.5 on the Richter scale," the utility claimed on its Web site.

From my research and the investigation I conducted of the rocks in the area, I found that that the sedimentary beds underlying the plant were badly faulted. Some tiny faults I located were less than 1 cm apart.

When I held up samples of the rocks the plant was sitting on, they crumbled like sugar in my fingers. "But the power company told us these were really solid rocks!" the reporters said. I asked, "Do you think these are really solid?' and they started laughing.

On July 7 last year, the same day of my visit to Hamaoka, Ishibashi warned of the danger of an earthquake-induced nuclear disaster, not only to Japan but globally, at an International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics conference held in Sapporo. He said: "The seismic designs of nuclear facilities are based on standards that are too old from the viewpoint of modern seismology and are insufficient. The authorities must admit the possibility that an earthquake-nuclear disaster could happen and weigh the risks objectively."

After the greatest nuclear power plant disaster in Japan's history at Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture, in September 1999, large, expensive Emergency Response Centers were built near nuclear power plants to calm nearby residents.

After visiting the center a few kilometers from Hamaoka, I realized that Japan has no real nuclear-disaster plan in the event that an earthquake damaged a reactor's water-cooling system and triggered a reactor meltdown.

Additionally, but not even mentioned by ERC officials, there is an extreme danger of an earthquake causing a loss of water coolant in the pools where spent fuel rods are kept. As reported last year in the journal Science and Global Security, based on a 2001 study by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if the heat-removing ******** of those pools is seriously compromised -- by, for example, the water in them draining out -- and the fuel rods heat up enough to combust, the radiation inside them will then be released into the atmosphere. This may create a nuclear disaster even greater than Chernobyl.

If a nuclear disaster occurred, power-plant workers as well as emergency-response personnel in the Hamaoka ERC would immediately be exposed to lethal radiation. During my visit, ERC engineers showed us a tiny shower at the center, which they said would be used for "decontamination' of personnel. However, it would be useless for internally exposed emergency-response workers who inhaled radiation.

When I asked ERC officials how they planned to evacuate millions of people from Shizuoka Prefecture and beyond after a Kobe-magnitude earthquake (Kobe is on the same subduction zone as Hamaoka) destroyed communication lines, roads, railroads, drinking-water supplies and sewage lines, they had no answer.

Last year, James Lee Witt, former director of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency, was hired by New York citizens to assess the U.S. government's emergency-response plan for a nuclear power plant disaster. Citizens were shocked to learn that there was no government plan adequate to respond to a disaster at the Indian Point nuclear reactor, just 80 km from New York City.

The Japanese government is no better prepared, because there is no adequate response possible to contain or deal with such a disaster. Prevention is really the only effective measure to consider.

In 1998, Kei Sugaoka, 51, a Japanese-American senior field engineer who worked for General Electric in the United States from 1980 until being dismissed in 1998 for whistle-blowing there, alerted Japanese nuclear regulators to a 1989 reactor inspection problem he claimed had been withheld by GE from their customer, Tokyo Electric Power Company. This led to nuclear-plant shutdowns and reforms of Japan's power industry.

Later it was revealed from GE documents that they had in fact informed TEPCO -- but that company did not notify government regulators of the hazards.

Yoichi Kikuchi, a Japanese nuclear engineer who also became a whistle-blower, has told me personally of many safety problems at Japan's nuclear power plants, such as cracks in pipes in the cooling system from vibrations in the reactor. He said the electric companies are "gambling in a dangerous game to increase profits and decrease government oversight."

Sugaoka agreed, saying, "The scariest thing, on top of all the other problems, is that all nuclear power plants are aging, causing a deterioration of piping and joints which are always exposed to strong radiation and heat."

Like most whistle-blowers, Sugaoka and Kikuchi are citizen heroes, but are now unemployed.

The Radiation and Public Health Project, a group of independent U.S. scientists, has collected 4,000 baby teeth from children living around nuclear power plants. These teeth were then tested to determine their level of Strontium-90, a radioactive fission product that escapes in nuclear power plant emissions.

Unborn children may be exposed to Strontium-90 through drinking water and the diet of the mother. Anyone living near nuclear power plants is internally exposed to chronically low levels of radiation contaminating food and drinking water. Increased rates of cancer, infant mortality and low birth weights leading to cognitive impairment have been linked to radiation exposure for decades.

However, a recent independent report on low-level radiation by the European Committee on Radiation Risk, released for the European Parliament in January 2003, established that the ongoing U.S. Atomic and Hydrogen Bomb Studies conducted in Japan by the U.S. government since 1945 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors underestimated the risk of radiation exposure as much as 1,000 times.

Additionally, on March 26 this year -- the eve of the 25th anniversary of the worst nuclear disaster in U.S. history, at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania -- the Radiation and Public Health Project released new data on the effects of that event. This showed rises in infant deaths up to 53 percent, and in thyroid cancer of more than 70 percent in downwind counties -- data which, like all that concerning both the short- and long-term health effects, has never been forthcoming from the U.S. government.

It is not a question of whether or not a nuclear disaster will occur in Japan; it is a question of when it will occur.

Like the former Soviet Union after Chernobyl, Japan will become a country suffering from radiation sickness destroying future generations, and widespread contamination of agricultural areas will ensure a public-health disaster. Its economy may never recover.

Considering the extreme danger of major earthquakes, the many serious safety and waste-disposal issues, it is timely and urgent -- with about half its reactors currently shut down -- for Japan to convert nuclear power plants to fossil fuels such as natural gas. This process is less expensive than building new power plants and, with political and other hurdles overcome, natural gas from the huge Siberian reserves could be piped in at relatively low cost. Several U.S. nuclear plants have been converted to natural gas after citizen pressure forced energy companies to make changeovers.

Commenting on this way out of the nuclear trap, Ernest Sternglass, a renowned U.S. scientist who helped to stop atmospheric testing in America, notes that, 'Most recently the Fort St. Vrain reactor in Colorado was converted to fossil fuel, actually natural gas, after repeated problems with the reactor. An earlier reactor was the Zimmer Power Plant in Cincinnati, which was originally designed as a nuclear plant but it was converted to natural gas before it began operating. This conversion can be done on any plant at a small fraction [20-30 percent] of the cost of building a new plant. Existing turbines, transmission facilities and land can be used."

After converting to natural gas, the Fort St. Vrain plant produced twice as much electricity much more efficiently and cheaply than from nuclear energy -- with no nuclear hazard at all, of course.

It is time to make the changeover from nuclear fuel to fossil fuels in order to save future generations and the economy of Japan.

Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who worked at the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory on the Yucca Mountain Project, and became a whistle-blower in 1991 by reporting science fraud on the project and at Livermore. She is an independent and international radiation specialist, and the Environmental Commissioner in the city of Berkeley, Calif. She has visited Japan four times to work with Japanese citizens, scientists and elected officials on radiation and peace issues. She can be contacted at leurenmoret@yahoo.com

Quoting from this

Quoting from this article:
"After visiting the center a few kilometers from Hamaoka, I realized that Japan has no real nuclear-disaster plan in the event that an earthquake damaged a reactor's water-cooling system and triggered a reactor meltdown."

"It is not a question of whether or not a nuclear disaster will occur in Japan; it is a question of when it will occur."

Leuren Moret

Now, should we listen to her, or to that Obama person?

Brilliant Article

Thanks for bringing her to my attention.

Note to Rick: RELAX, my friend, MORONS is the APPROPRIATE response to what these criminals have done for power and profit and love of that filthy lucre and Mammon that comes easily to some when the greedy are willing to lie and kill.

Crimes against humanity. Like Hitler, Eichmann and Goebbels: idiots. VERY dangerous idiots.

Back to Moret: Hear Hear! I LIKE WHAT She says here a lot. I am familiar with those she sites and trust her creds.

MORET

I am wondering if MORET is correct about the radiation readings on the west coast?

Why haven't we had any independent officals/ city hall/ state government, etc...going around taking radiation readings with their own little independent geiger counters ? I am sure we have some trained people at state levels that do know how to take readings.

If you search history, during the Nevada Atomic Tests done ......there are people alive today who will tell you that officials did exactly that. They did drive around and take readings for the people who lived there.

Where are our officials for us? Besides the EPA ?

Oh, and by the way,...A simple survey of sites will tell anyone, that a regular geiger counter, ( even one costing $1,000.00 ) will NOT pick up the plutonium or uranium in air. It will pick up the gamma rays. ( and some tiny bit of beta/alpha sample..but not large enough to really tell what is going on.) So....thus, if you look at online geiger reporting, most are showing CPM's in more normal ranges.

But the danger is in the alpha/Beta counts,...the plutonium/uranium particles that are in air ( EPA reported this on west coast )...that we breathe in. Its the breathing in or ingesting of a 1/1,000,000th of a gram in size of plutonium...that is going to cause us danger. The micron size: .03 and smaller. If you can't measure that with your geiger, but you breathe it or eat it....guess what? its not good.

. ONE (1) is better than

.

ONE (1) is better than none.

One (1) US newspaper of record carried the Cesium Radionuclide Storm warning video.

http://healdsburg.patch.com/articles/youtube-videos-stay-indoors-this-we...

One (1) Canadian (local) official issued a drinking water alert.

http://www.qciobserver.com/Article.aspx?Id=4908

http://www.threedognight.com/l_one.html

One is the loneliest, number one is the loneliest
Number one is the loneliest number that you'll ever do
One is the loneliest, one is the loneliest
One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do

Harry Nilson & Three Dog Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruaXXei6pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2TPoXlpbnA

Are we still worried about plutonium?

...Sorry, I thought this had been settled by BRAWM WEEKS ago.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas

Sorry, here is quote from

Sorry, here is quote from BRAWM:

"We study radiation detection, mostly for homeland security and medical applications."

Again, source: http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4354#comment-8926

Rick: Maybe you have not

Rick:

Maybe you have not read who BRAWM does work for?

see below a snip:

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I think I have read that Homeland Security even controls the USGS now.

So,..what does it mean that BRAWM does work for HOMELAND? does it mean that Homeland dictates what to say and what not to say?

source: http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4354#comment-8926

This forum has chronic

This forum has chronic amnesia. It wouldn't be quite as 'exciting' otherwise (sarcasm).

Hi Dan, Okay, yawn away

Hi Dan,

Okay, yawn away then. ( smile ) No matter, because still the question is,
even though BRAWM is taking the time to answer on the forum, which is very nice by the way ( thanks BRAWM )...if they do work for Homeland Security,
I think its a fair question now, to what degree Homeland controls the " say " of the reporting. ( and yes, I have not read all the posting that BRAWM has done prior to my posting,...so I will go back and try to find some BRAWM posts about plutonium. But question about Homeland is legit.

Academic freedom

You're welcome :)

We've mentioned this several times now, but it's worth repeating. Even though the funding for our regular research projects comes primarily through the DOE and DHS, we are given a great deal of freedom in deciding how to do our research.

For example, we are a group of students and researchers who decided on our own to start this monitoring project. We have taken time away from our regular projects to do it because we think this is so important. Nobody told us to do it, and nobody certainly controls what or how we report. (I should know — I handle most of the reporting.) Nobody tells me what to say, and I wouldn't appreciate it if they did. All we do is try to make the best measurements that we can and do our best to interpret them.

Mark [BRAWM Team Member]

bump.

bump.

Folks should come to terms

Folks should come to terms with just how easy it is to buy off research scientists.

Pablo Escobar:
"Everyone has a price, the important thing is to find out what it is."
"There are two hundred million idiots, manipulated by a million intelligent men."

He was not at the level of

He was not at the level of the so-called global elite, but had a better working picture of the world than most anyone you will ever personally encounter. Only the foolish would think BRAWM immune to the corrupting influence of money and coercion. The fact is that corruption globally and through history is the norm, not the exception.

World Body full disclosure and debate on human health effects co

UNITED STATES INSTITUTE OF PEACE
International Network for Economics and Conflict

The United States Institute of Peace has opened an important global link under its official website http://inec.usip.org/discussion/2010/nov/04/introducing-themes#comment-145
that will enable discussions to tape into a global community of resources under a non-partisan banner. It would seem to be an excellent adjunct to many topics of great interest to our future.

Try it.