For Brawm from Bill re: Food Chain Radiation uptake and accumulation
I may have missed any explanations you had about your food chain samples but I had a few questions hopefully you will respond to:
1. Do you WASH the spinach, Kale, strawberry and arugala samples before testing or do you test them "as is". I am wondering if the radiation you have observed is actually INSIDE the plants or if it is rain residue.
2. I am also wondering whether you are including the roots or testing roots or will test root vegetables etc seperately when you test your samples? It occurs to me that different plants and different PARTS of the plants will accumulate radiation in different ways and amounts. For example, with strawberries did you test the ENTIRE plant or just the straweberry fruits themselves.
I guess what I am getting at is whether the leaves of the plants are accumulating the radiation inside (or even absorbing them from rain or particulate (dry) deposits and whther you can even tell or have a mans to tell how the radionuclides move through the produce tested (and which parts are more or less likely to be more contaminated.
3. I guess it would help to know too whether the samples you got (any of them) were grown in greenhouses or not and watered with rianwater or well water or tap water etc (to find the source of thaicontamination before it got into or on to the plants.
4. Finally, for now, I think it would be really helpful to many of us on this forum or who visit here to know about OTHER produce currently being grown outdoors in California which will end up in our supermarkets soon iof not already such as green peppers, baby carrots, fingerling potatoes, iceberg and other lettuce, etc AND, down the road, such things as oranges, almonds, avocados, etc that grow on trees which might accumulate and hold radiocesium in the fruit itself.
Right now frozen veggies and fresh fruit from last year are on my "eatable" list - but I want to get a sense of how much radiocesium will still be in such foods now (if fresh or being frozen or canned now) or might be in such foods in the months and year or so to come when harvest times arrive.
I am NOT eating strawberries so far this year unless they are frozen from last year, for example. But with RESULTS in the future if BRAWM keeps such tests up, I will be able to make fully informed decisions for myself and my family.
THANKS. I know I can be a pest. But i also know that like maybe 90% of the folks here would probabluy want ot get answers to most of not all these questions and, after all, you invited us here ---so...?


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We do rinse off all of our
We do rinse off all of our items before we test them, and we only test the edible part, exactly what we buy from the farmer's market -- no roots included.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Can you explain why you rinse it off?
before you test them? And why you only test the edible part?
Thank you,
Lee
As Bill mentioned in the
As Bill mentioned in the original post, we want to make sure we're testing the plant itself, not any rain or dirt that might be on the outside. Plus, we want to see what it is that we're eating, and I also rinse of my produce before I eat it. Same reason why we test the edible part -- we want to know what fallout, if any, we're ingesting.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Thanks
Makes good sense to me, testing it as it would be normally eaten.
I alos have the same
I alos have the same questions, please reply.
I would also like to know
Actually, I have all the same questions as the person who initiated this link. In addition to my concerns as a consumer, I also have a commercial crop of avocados that I am thinking about testing, and have been trying to decide the best way to go about that testing. Just the unwashed fruit? Leaves from the trees? Soil? Water? Grass/bushes from my land?
And what exactly should I test for? Cesium 134 and 137, Strontium? G-d forbid Plutonium (reactor 3!!!! meltdown). ???
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I have been wondering some
I have been wondering some of these same questions.
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Good questions...
These are good questions and important. Thank you for posting I will be watching also for any comment from Berkeley.
Testing Other Vegetables?
Would you consider testing other vegetables - i.e. broccoli, cauliflower, Swiss chard, asparagus, artichokes, green onions, sugar snap peas?
I know, so much food and so little time...
Appreciate all you do for us!
Food Testing
And celery...I am craving celery but am afraid to buy it!
And, don't laugh, but what
And, don't laugh, but what about grapes and hops?
As they become wine and beer, will that alter any radioactive contamination?
California is one of the huge wine producers of the world...
Re:Grapes and Hops
We're 'self banning' wine vintages from 2011 to 2013/(maybe 2015 will be even safer?) 'Hoppy' beer and other types will just have to come from places such as Europe and maybe South America during the same range of time as for wine vintages.
If BRAWM or anyone can suggest more appropriate dates, please post and comment your reasoning.
Anybody else here feeling ready to 'cave' in and buy butter lettuce, romaine, celery and tomatoes grown in the Salinas, CA area or elsewhere in CA? I know I am, Tannemura brand has alot of their lettuces available at most of the grocery stores here and people are still BUYING!
I for one and getting quite tempted because I really miss my cold, crispy salads with assorted chopped up bits of broccoli,celery, carrots and tomatoes! Canned foods aren't 'cutting it' and I know here in Reno, NV we're getting a pretty good feed of particles per the EPA site http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/rert/radnet-data-map.html
And, don't laugh, but what
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-05-18 08:45.
And, don't laugh, but what about grapes and hops?
As they become wine and beer, will that alter any radioactive contamination?
California is one of the huge wine producers of the world...
~Off my menu: All Seafoods because the oceans really are a military and industrial sewer! Yes, I will miss Anchovies on my pizza, fishsticks, red snapper, tuna (even 'chicken of the sea' is no longer 'worthy,'crab, fake crab (made with Pollock, an ocean fish), clam chowder, Nori Seaweed,Caviar etc... See: http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/can-ocean-currents-transport-radi...
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3486
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And other "drugs"
Hemp (rope/clothing type) was used at Chernobyl to remove radiation from the soil!
Might not "medical marijuana" behave in the same manner by soaking up radioactive substances? Just a thought.
It is the practice of MMJ
It is the practice of MMJ growers to use new products in production that is indoors and greenhouse,for risk of pest contamination. Outdoor crops might be problematic as the old soil might be used, there is little conscience among some outdoor grows esp. in hard economic times and organic is a word not often used or revered. Used outdoor soil in any organic gardening situation should have the top layers (3-4 inches) of soil removed and buried and covered with rock. The soils with more organic material present should have at least 12 inches removed. Plant deep rooted plants. Cannabis is not that deep rooted of a plant and care should be taken to remove old soils, as is the practice of many farmers to increase production. It might be a good year to move that greenhouse and grow veggies in the soil that was not contaminated in the footprint of a greenhouse. It's also important to note that radionuclide bond with clay soils.
Bay Area is Clay Soil
So, if radionuclides bond with clay soils, does that mean that plants DO NOT uptake the radionuclides? Will phytoremediation work with clay soils - i.e. planting sunflowers to uptake the cesium, etc.?
Good information....
This is an excellent topic ! We all need to share on this one, keep it coming.
Who keeps typing "bump" ? Did this blogger bump his head and forget we are dealing with the consequences of radiation in our food chain ?
"Bump"
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Oh, and btw... Bump. [Grin]
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Bump and thank you
Thank you Rick for the "bump" information.