Fall out from Full Core Melt
what can we expect in terms of fall out from 1 or the reactors
going into full core melt, breach of container and explosions?
what if all 4 went that route sequently--then what would be
the density of the fall out? What would be hitting us here in
California? This is not out of panic but a clear need to know
so I can make adequate preparations for when this may
occur. I would hope the Brawm team will be doing samplings
timed to the releases of the steam and black smoke coming
from the reactors arriving here on the Jet Stream.
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Um nothing more than has
Um nothing more than has already happened.
They likely melted down two months ago.
Hmmm.
"...[N]othing more than has already happened. They likely melted down two months ago."
This is very interesting, and, while claiming no expertise or exceptional knowledge whatsoever, in the case of Reactor 1 at least, I'm inclined to agree. For many weeks, now, TEPCO, JAIF, NISA, NSC, and the IAEA have insisted that Reactor 1's core was far and away the most heavily damaged, insofar as they were able to ascertain, or estimate, or guess at. Now we know why. It does appear that a majority of the rods' mass experienced some manner of exposure, overheating, melting, and realignment at or near the bottom of the RV (reactor vessel). An open question: What percentage of the reactor's potential reactivity has already been experienced / released? It will likely be impossible, in the near term anyway, to determine this to any degree of certainty, given the limitations of men and machines in the current circumstance. But I'd still like to know: Insofar as Reactor 1 is concerned, anyway, is the worst behind us, or still potentially to come?
One thing that concerns me VERY much is this matter of "holing". As I understand it, TEPCO has now identified several holes in the machinery, aggregating out to "several centimeters", that were presumably created relatively early in the event (sometime between March 12 and early April) by these areas' having come into DIRECT CONTACT with superheated / melting reactor core matter proper. What no one seems to be mentioning is the most obvious conclusion of all: That not only highly contaminated / radioactive water, having come into DIRECT CONTACT with the core material itself, has escaped the RV, CV (containment vessel), and reactor building... But also that ACTUAL CORE MATERIAL, HAVING MELTED THROUGH THE VESSELS DESIGNED TO CONTAIN IT, HAS MIGRATED OUTSIDE THE RV AND CV AND IS IN THE GENERAL ENVIRONMENT.
Needless to say, this is not good: At least some of Reactor 1's core is now, presumably, in the open sea. ...Or am I wrong? As always when I present some manner of terrible conjecture, I would be happy to be contradicted by people much smarter, more highly educated, better informed and more logical than yours truly.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
Effects: Fall out from Full Core Melt
Thanks for the info. Rick! For those who might want to know, the VA noted a few years ago a number of patients, many 'never smokers' who were contracting a very fast form of lung cancer.
My husband had a close friend, Jerry P. in Oakley, CA who died of it. He presented with pain in his lungs described as 'heavy congestion' accompanied by blood when he coughed it up. He only lived 6 months. The lesion was found to be 1/2 inch 1 week and then double that within the next week or so continuing until he died, truly an fast growth cancer of exponential proportions! The Dr's aren't sure if it's a problem related to space radiation/solar activity or environmental radiation.
~Off my menu: All Seafoods because the oceans really are a military and industrial sewer! Yes, I will miss Anchovies on my pizza, fishsticks, red snapper, tuna (even 'chicken of the sea' is no longer 'worthy,'crab, fake crab (made with Pollock, an ocean fish), clam chowder, Nori Seaweed,Caviar etc... See: http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/can-ocean-currents-transport-radi...
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3486
I'm really sorry to hear
I'm really sorry to hear about your husband's friend. Is this an ongoing problem, does it affect only veterans (just considering a possible connection to depleted uranium), is there any connection with Fukushima's melted core?
re:Fast lung cancer does it affect only veterans?
Apparently this is not affecting only Veterans as other hospitals have noted it and husband's friend is a Vietnam Vet and they did not use DU then in helmets, ammunition or tanks. It may become a result IF the materials from the core become aerosolized and distribute in the atmosphere.
Human lung tissue (or any other body tissue) is simply not evolved to accommodate fissile materials at levels released by man and it's anybody's guess as to how much was in the air prior to Fukushima that migrated by airstream from wars overseas, military and industrial sources and is still arriving in variable levels from these sources.
My best guess: whenever you hear of a 'weird' cancer involving lung tissue and it's 'fast' as in months up to 2 year mortality perhaps it's likely caused by an undetected 'hot' material hidden in the tissues. When was the last time you heard of a lab report identifying not only the tumor but how radioactive the tissue was and which radionuclides were found to be present therein? When was the last time you heard of a Dr. geiger counter wanding a patient diagnosed with cancers? I know it's been done to the dead at a certain mortuary by a very curious mortician and eccentric. Inquiring minds want to know!
~Off my menu: All Seafoods because the oceans really are a military and industrial sewer! Yes, I will miss Anchovies on my pizza, fishsticks, red snapper, tuna (even 'chicken of the sea' is no longer 'worthy,'crab, fake crab (made with Pollock, an ocean fish), clam chowder, Nori Seaweed,Caviar etc... See: http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/can-ocean-currents-transport-radi...
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3486
Core Damage Percentage Estimates
"TEPCO updated the estimated percentage of core damage for Units 1, 2 and 3 from values previously assessed on March 15 (in parenthesis): Unit 1: 55% core damage (70%); Unit 2: 35% core damage (30%); Unit 3: 30% core damage (25%). This reflects a revised assessment rather than any recent changes in conditions in the reactor cores."
This statement is from the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission’s May 6th 2011 Update.
Other Updates as well as past information since the incident can be found here...
http://nuclearsafety.gc.ca/eng/mediacentre/updates/march-11-2011-japan-e...
Site has some good information but you still need to "read between the lines". Tie this information together with Fairwinds videos and you should get a pretty realistic picture of the events so far.
Wow two months later
Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says the meltdown at the No.1 unit created holes in the reactor and damaged the containment vessel.
A large amount of highly radioactive water is believed to be leaking out, but it is not known where it is flowing.
TEPCO says the water could be flowing into the basement of the reactor building, but that workers cannot enter the site due to fear of high levels of radiation.
The company is examining footage from Friday's survey conducted by a remote-controlled robot of the first floor of the building, while analyzing data on radiation intensity.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_14.html
One might educate oneself
Before stating something one does not know.
http://fairewinds.com/
End of video says it all.
Dust
I just watched the video from Arnie Gundersons wife..founder of Fairewinds///She interviews a guy studying the particulates floating in our environment from Fukushima. He is very level about telling us to leave shoes outside the house/in the hallway...and jackets etc. whatever outerwear you wear do not bring into the house. Keep out the dust. protect yourselves.
Check it out! on fairewinds.com
How does the end of the
How does the end of the video relate to the meltdown happening two months ago?
A expert Opinion in video
It is still releasing.in arnie gundersons opinion the plants continue to spew radiation into air and water contamination is going full time so u have a worst case scenario not pleasant at all.
It's cute that you consider
It's cute that you consider that the worst case scenario
What more
Spent pool fuel fires ,hydrogen explosions in reactors 1,2,3. All reactors have meltdowns and breaches in containment.What can get worse?
Not even close
We haven't seen the worst case scenario. Things could get much worse.
We *may* get there. But, we are not there yet.