Eurad suspends deposition forecasts
"The observational data of the CTBTO now show a clear decrease of the worldwide radioactive concentrations outside of Japan (see measurements at bottom right of this page). Therefore we now do not continue with the predictions for the northern hemisphere. We thank you for your lively interest in our work, for many questions and comments."
http://db.eurad.uni-koeln.de/prognose/radio.html
So the Bay Area clocked in at about 10-15 Bq/m2 of Cs-137.
Censorship and commerce
Here's a nifty article that explains everything you need to know about
censorship. Just follow the money. Japanese industry is taking a hit. You can bet they're doing the same with Europe's statesmen as they are doing with Clinton. Bad press is bad for business.
Censorship and commerce
Forgot to post the link to the article from Japan Times
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110501a7.html
Censorship ???
1. April 29 - The head of Japan's meteorological society requests his colleagues stop releasing radioactive projection maps
2. May 3 - the EPA slows their testing
3. May 2 - Europe ceases projection maps for the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
Notice it's for the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE.
We've had to rely on the European maps because the U.S. didn't release animated radiation maps !!
I just don't see things as stabilized as would be necessary for everyone to stop keeping a VERY close eye on things.
Even the IAEA says the situation “remains very serious.” That hasn't changed from Day 1.
So why is everyone suddenly pulling their information ??
This is from the announcement on April 29 that the U.S. will be helping Japan:
“As for fears abroad that Japanese produce and industrial products are tainted with radiation, the envoy said that U.S. industry as a whole will do everything it can to help dispel this misperception.”
The U.S....will do everything it can...
Does that include censorship to keep Japan's goods selling? I'm asking.
Again, the IAEA says the situation “remains very serious.”
And JUST TODAY, Japan's Prime Ministers requested another nuclear plant be closed!
http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-nuclear-plant-suspended-quake-...
Unfortunately, this is not over, and the free flow of ALL information is still imperative.
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SOURCES:
APRIL 29 – U.S. officially announce they're helping Japan:
[Source: http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=138501958243554]
APRIL 29 – Japan requests a refrain from releasing forecasts
“The chief of the Meteorological Society of Japan has drawn flak from within the academic society over a request for member specialists to refrain from releasing forecasts on the spread of radioactive substances from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.”
[Source: http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/88604.html ]
MAY 2 – Eurad suspends maps for the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
[Source: http://db.eurad.uni-koeln.de/index_e.html?/prognose/radio.html ]
MAY 3 – EPA to go back to regular testing
[Source: http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/ ]
Censorship and commerce
Yes, to answer your question.
See article from Japan Times.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110501a7.html
Because once they can't
Because once they can't reliably detect radiation in the atmosphere there is no reason to keep testing air samples.
As has been said before, if something new happens in Japan, they can start testing again.
Other types of testing should continue to track existing levels in food and soil, but has already been seen with the CDPH, their equipment already is registering close to their detection limit.
Once the detection limit has been passed, no news is good news.
Well, we were also told time and again that...
the worst of the radiation would come from the first amount to hit the U.S. which would have been around March 17/18. And yet there were peaks after that which are easily seen on BRAWM's air monitoring and even on Ireland's air monitoring:
http://www.rpii.ie/getdoc/8df472b2-c60e-4acd-b922-76d5f702a7dc/Latest_ai...
If there are peaks again and no one is testing, how will we know ?
and how exactly will we know
and how exactly will we know if something "new" happens if we're not doing constant testing. The situation at Fukushima is not under control. Why on earth would we just turn our backs and stop watching it? This is absurd. Until those things are all in cold shut down, we need to be vigilant. And i am appalled that our government is not going to protect consumers by keeping tainted japanese produce OUT.
It reminds me of this s**t http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david/post_1891_b_843577.html?ref=f...
a bunch of stuff the FDA allows in products sold here that the same companies have to replace with healthier versions when they sell the same product in Britain!. ugh!!!
Can someone provide a pointer?
Can someone provide a pointer to where the EPA said they were
going to stop air testing? I've seen this said a few times on
this forum. But, I have yet to see it documented where the EPA
has said that. In fact, the only thing I've seen is that they
will *continue* analyzing air filters and cartriges.
"EPA will continue to analyze air filters and cartridges from
all air monitors as they arrive at the laboratory and will post
the data as available"
You can find the quote above in the EPA May 3 statement in the
following link while it's still posted:
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/
As for the other types of testing, there's really no need to
test milk, precipitation, etc if there is nothing in the air.
Smart minds think alike!
I just posted my comment and read yours and we're thinking along the same lines !!
I should also add that the
I should also add that the CTBTO continuously tests air for signs of radiation. They will certainly know if new emissions start coming out of Fukushima.
That's great, but...
why can't the information be supplied by our government?
Why do we have to rely on outside sources?
Because the UN owns the
Because the UN owns the infrastructure and rights to do the monitoring close to and in Japan.
Which would you like to trust: the CTBTO with monitoring stations close to the source, or to rely on the EPA to detect it once it's already arrived?
There's no point in trying to duplicate what the CTBTO does because it took an international treaty to get it set up.
As for getting the EPA to continue testing, you are preaching to the wrong crowd. Try demonstrating on Washington, getting representation and legal council to challenge the EPA.
Otherwise, take a class at Berkeley and set up your own lab if you'd rather. It is a free country.
I wonder if ...
the CTBTO can be pressured not to release results ?
Or are they absolutely independent and impervious to any political pressure whatsoever?
I hope so.
That's circular logic. This
That's circular logic. This thread was about a source using CTBTO data. If they didn't release their data we wouldn't be having this discussion.
You missed the point...
which is will they continue to release their data in the future.
I dare say that the point
I dare say that the point was not missed. They have proven to be available for member states, as it was Eurad that requested the data and furnished the maps. Why would you think this wouldn't happen again if necessary?
The CTBTO is not run by a single country and any member state can request the data. If you feel that your country won't release the CTBTO reports, you can bet another country will.
So the Bay Area clocked in
So the Bay Area clocked in at about 10-15 Bq/m2 of Cs-137
Where are you finding the numbers for particular cities?
Estimation from the maps.
Estimation from the maps.
don't forget, I believe
don't forget, I believe Eurad has only 2 or 3 spots in California that they have a measure device, one in Sacramento and some other town.
To me, that still leaves the possiblity of higher contamination in places that they do not have a monitor. But still, it is good news that the levels are decreasing. Still wonder what these ugly black dark clouds were last week.
Good point. Maybe now things
Good point. Maybe now things have stabilized BRAWM could take some 1 x 1 x 0.1 meter samples from a few different places and do a comparison.
Don't need to do that the
Don't need to do that the topsoil measurements already done show about 12 Bq/m2 for the given weight of the sample multiplied out by the weight of the sample you are suggesting.
Pretty close estimations from Eurad.
Having more than one sample
Having more than one sample location might be a good thing, though.
I missed a zero. 1 cm depth.
I missed a zero. 1 cm depth.
Consistent With The EPA
Seems like there's general agreement that the crisis as it
stands now is over
Unless there is another
Unless there is another earthquake, tsunami, human failure or explosion or they have to vent the reactors during the next several months I think we can say the crisis is over.
Those are a lot of
Those are a lot of "unlesses." Since they are still pumping nitrogen into Unit 1, it appears that the possibility of hydrogen combustion is still very real, and that fuel damage is still occurring. Not sure why you would say the crisis is over.
TEPCO's estimate is 9 months to stop the release of radioactive materials. That means for many months to come, radioactive isotopes will still be releasing daily. Who's to say whether it will be low level or spiked? Still very unstable.
IMO. And dont forget there
IMO. And dont forget there are 70 millions of liter flooding the instalations of reactor 1 to 3. And the instalations of reactor 4 are flooded by 5 meters level of water. Highly radioactive water.
Yes, the implications for
Yes, the implications for Japan are still large, but worldwide it seems to be, mostly, over for now. We still need to watch the oceans/marine life, plus any debris that makes it's way here might be radioactive.
Several reports in the news lately say there is still noticable to significant contamination on some shipping containers and ships that are showing up at European and South American ports.