Question for BRAWM team about "Americium"
The definition of Americium in wikipedia states:
"Most americium is produced by bombarding uranium or plutonium with alpha particles in nuclear reactors"
In the latest video from fairewinds, Marco Kaltofen says his testing has found Americium in the air in the United States.
(Go to about 4:00 on the video):
http://www.fairewinds.com/updates
Does provide any evidence that uranium/plutonium might be in the the United States from fukushima?


Mark and Tim: Any follow up with Marco?
I'm just curious if the BRAWM team has a response to the information Marco provided below. Has the BRAWM team contacted him to compare notes and give us some idea of where we stand?
My current thoughts
Thanks for following up on this, Anonymous. I have been thinking about this, especially because the "hot particles" topic has come up recently again on the forum.
Our contact with Marco Kaltofen has been limited to the discussion below, but I did read his paper about the methods he uses to identify and quantify the particles. I think what we are doing is so different that we really can't say anything scientifically about his methods and data. But it is also not clear what the magnitude of the risk would be.
Here are the long versions of those thoughts:
(1) Our sampling and analysis methods are very different (see Marco's methods paper), the questions we are asking are very different, and the risks of each type of radiation are very different. We at BRAWM have been looking for tiny air particles with small numbers of fission isotope nuclei attached to them. The WPI research is looking for tiny particles each made up of lots of radioactive atoms. The health risks of each are different. The fission product isotopes disperse throughout the environment, and that is why they can be dangerous (they get in our food) and also why they can be not dangerous (they get dispersed). These "hot particles" would be almost the opposite — their danger would be because they are concentrated into one mass that can irradiate a small amount of tissue around it for a long time, while the particles themselves are relatively few and far between.
(2) BRAWM should be sensitive to some of these particles, such as Americium-241. We would not be sensitive to particles of plutonium, and only marginally sensitive to particles of uranium. So I don't think our data would be particularly helpful to corroborate those findings, except for perhaps determining limits for Am-241. So we cannot really say anything scientifically about this.
(3) So as a scientist who cannot say anything scientific about the results, then I am left wondering what the data mean. It is reported that we could have been inhaling 5 hot particles per day on the West Coast, but what is the magnitude of the risk if that was true? It is very possible that this issue has been overlooked as an important health concern, and it is also possible that it is not much of a health concern at all. I don't think this problem lies with Marco's study; it seems like there's just not that much known. This topic is worth further study and more data.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
Can you validate the presense of Am-241?
While the OP originally linked the presence of Am-241 to the possible presesnce of plutonium and uranium, I think the qustion has evolved into questions of if the BRAWM team has the capability to detect americium and did the BRAWM team detect it.
If BRAWM should be sensitive to some of these particles, wouldn't it be relatively easy to validate Marco's detection (not the health risk)? Am-241 has a half life of 432.2 years. So, if it was present in any of your samples, it should still be available to detect in your air filter.
Good point. What Mark means
Good point. What Mark means is that we do indeed have the capability to detect Am-241, and we haven't seen it in any of our samples. This means we can't validate Marco's detection, but we can't necessarily disprove it either. In our system, MDA is higher for Am-241 than for most of our other isotopes, so it's possible that Marco's experiment can find ridiculously small amounts of it that we can't see.
If Marco did provide an MDA, then we would be able to invalidate or validate more easily. However, his system (as far as I can tell) has no way to give an answer in Bq/L, pCi/kg, or what have you.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Thanks, Tim
That clarifies things for me. Maybe Marco is still monitoring the forum and will respond with an MDA :-)
That's for the response. Much appreciated.
Mark- Thank you much for
Mark-
Thank you much for your comments here.
I have thought about this topic a lot in the past week, and would like to offer a few thoughts along the line of your (3) -
1) Some studies linked in the two "Hot Particles" thread show that the "cancers" per "embedded particles" could be a ratio of 1 per 1000 to 1 per 10000. Obviously a huge margin of uncertainty here. Some other uncertainties:
A) Particle size. I would posit that a a large particle has a larger chance of causing a tumor but a lower chance of
being inhaled. Also, particle composition is a factor.
B) Ratio of particles inhaled vs number of particles retained. One could inhale a nasty particle and exhale
it right back out. You might need to inhale 10 to retain 1.
C) The primary study I read had dogs being hit with something like 100,000 particles. So yeah, 20 out of 21
beagles got cancer. Who'd athunk it? That experiment was almost made to generate the result.
2) What does it mean in the context of past events?
A) Were such particles generated during Chernobyl? Almost certainly, I would think, unless the fuel types are
different. Can anyone comment on this?
B) Can we infer that the total amounts released by both Chernobyl and Fukushima will correlate with the
amounts of "hot particles" released?
C) Has there been a huge increase in lung cancer in areas of Europe affected by Chernobyl? Not that I could
find and you'd think that if there was, here 25 years later it would be apparent. Not saying that people
didn't die from it, just not a huge increase.
In the meantime, I do think that Marco's advice in the original Gunderson interview makes sense - avoid dusts, clean them up in a safe manner. Also, I myself would avoid being outside on days when there are big duststorms, especially until less of these particles are "in play" and just try to exercise general caution. But that's just me, kinda paranoid maybe. Oh yeah - and more research/sampling. Right now. I would feel a whole lot better if the government put half the effort into this that they do dropping bombs in "insert name here".
I too have questions about historical "hot particles"
Historical information at least gives us SOME idea of if we can expect a significant increase in illnesses from this event or not.
Americium detection
The WPI particle analysis data is reported as the number of high activity particles per cubic meter of air sampled or per kilogram of dust collected, which can be related to the probability of being exposed to a hot particle. In contrast, BRAWN reports results as Bq/mass or Bq/volume, which is related to the concentration of nuclides in the environment. Some care is needed in comparing these analyses, as detection limits and the implications of data from these two methods will not be the same.
As expected, radioactive particles are found in abundance in the samples analyzed from Japan, and less frequently, in US samples. While americium is found at much lower concentrations in our samples than is iodine or cesium, individual hot particles were detected that did contain americium as the primary radioactive component. This finding is consistent with the typical composition of civilian nuclear fuels. In fact, it would be unusual if a release of this size and type failed to discharge any americium to the environment.
Marco Kaltofen,
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Marco, It's wonderful to
Marco,
It's wonderful to have you join the discussion here. Thank you so much for your hard work.
Thanks for the information
Marco,
Thank you so much for visiting and helping us learn more about the testing you have been doing. Yes, the types of testing we are doing are quite different and we can learn a lot from both.
From reading your paper it appears that isotope identification is done primarily through the use of X-ray fluorescence, and so the elements you detect that you can also conclude are radioactive are limited to those which have no stable isotopes (i.e., anything heavier than bismuth). So are the radioactive particles you detect limited to those heavier particles? You seem to mention detecting iodine and cesium, so I'm curious if you've also done some gamma spectroscopy.
I am also curious about your samples. How are they collected -- in air filters? Where in Japan and the US were samples taken?
What kinds of particles have you detected Americium in? Are they small enough and mobile enough to be consistent with transport across the ocean? Also, has Americium been detected in samples from before Fukushima? Since it has a 433 year half-life, I would wonder whether the source is certainly from Fukushima or from something else. What are the amounts of Americium being compared to, such that the amount detected is consistent with nuclear fuel?
As for our measurements, we exclude any activity from Am-241 above about 3E-9 Bq/L (pre-4/19) and 1E-9 Bq/L (post-4/19) in the air. However, as you point out, your measurements and our limits are would be difficult to compare.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
Americium detection
Our group uses 37 mm 0.45 micron membrane filters drawing air at 20 LPM. The sampling stations are Ibaraki, Japan, Tokyo, Japan, Honolulu, HI, Seattle, WA, San Francisco, CA, Natick, MA, and a new station coming online in Colorado. Filters are screened by NaI or GeLi gamma spectrometry prior to analysis by SEM/EDS. Samples are held for 24 hours prior to analysis to let natural radon and related material cool down some. Particles of interest are universally less than 25 microns in size, and almost always below 12 microns. Prior to April 2011, we had not detected AM-241 in ambient air filter samples, but we have found it, (pre-2011), in Los Alamos, NM surface soils, where particle sizes ran as high as 150 microns.
Mark, any thoughts on what Marco has said?
I'm curious about any differences between how Marco approached the testing
vs what the BRAWM team is doing.
That makes a good case for
That makes a good case for getting a true HEPA air filter.
Quick question, was Los
Quick question, was Los Alamos,NM the only city where you found AM-241? Thanks
BRAWM Team, I would be very
BRAWM Team, I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts/comments regarding this post.
Thanks
Reporting?
Are you reporting your results to the public in some way as the BRAWM team is? If so, where? If not, would you consider it?
Welcome....
Another thanks for joining in the conversation...lots of inquiring minds here :-)
Hey, thanks
Marco, since you're here, at least for a moment, I would like to say that I'm sure glad that there are folks like you in this world of ours. I took a few minutes to see what you have been up to, and thought this older article was a good one:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/07/08/ecology_sleuth_is_l...
It looks like you have been doing this sleuthing for awhile, and while you called yourself an older grad student in your video, I think that certainly downplays the contributions that you have made.
So, thanks, it's appreciated.
Marco, thanks for joining
Marco, thanks for joining the discussion.
Can you please explain in greater detail how your collection and detection methods differ from how BRAWM is conducting their measurements?
Thanks.
Americium detection
Of course. The method is described in, "Microanalysis of Workplace Dusts from the Mixed Waste Tank Farm of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation", Marco P.J. Kaltofen, John Bergendahl, Environmental Engineering Science. February 2010, 27(2): 181-185.
Thank you for the reply
Thank you for the reply Marco. I was hoping for a quick 30 second explanation, but I did read the abstract of your paper. Unfortunately, I don't have access to read the body.
However, it sounds like you are using electron microscopy to identify individual particles of different compounds. Is this correct?
Americium: To be, or not to
Americium: To be, or not to be! That is the question. Pandemonium, here we come!
I have not heard any independent claims
I have not heard any independent claims of detection of Americium-241 in the USA. That website has claimed this twice now. Since Am-241 is a strong gamma emitter (59.5 keV), our team would be able to see it if it is present in any quantity.
There also haven't been any detections of plutonium in the USA as far as I know.
There have been detections of U-238 and U-234 by the EPA, along with other naturally-occurring isotopes such as Bismuth-212. We have checked that the abundances of U-238 and U-234 measured are consistent with naturally-occurring uranium.
So as far as I know, there is no evidence of the detection of any Am-241, plutonium, or uranium from Fukushima.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
sorry, but isn't Fairwinds
sorry, but isn't Fairwinds as independent as it can get???
Fairewinds' claim is just
Fairewinds' claim is just that - a claim. I have not seen any data, either from our own lab, or from theirs, that there is currently americium in the US. In fact, our gamma detectors give us very good evidence that there is none.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Disinformation Team
Has BRAWM been appointed the official government disinformation team? Arnie Gundersen, who runs "that website," is hardly some crank. I would expect he be given some respect for who he is and what he has accomplished.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. YOU have not detected it; this is not "very good evidence there is none," when a credible source is stating otherwise.
For clarification, we are
For clarification, we are not pointing to an absence of evidence. We have the ability to detect Am-241 by looking for both alpha and gamma signatures. We have specifically looked for both of these and can tell you that we have not seen either. Am-241 is relatively easy to detect, so this is reasonable evidence to me that there is no Am-241 in our environment, or at least such a minute amount that is dwarfed by everything else we've seen in the fallout.
I have nothing against Arnie Gundersen, just that he has not provided any evidence yet of this particular claim.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
It appears...
at least from what I read in this thread, that they have a process at WPI that has picked Americium up, or they sampled somewhere that had this. Also seems like if they found Americum in CA, from the placement of their monitors stated above, then that Americium was in San Francisco.
I don't understand any of the science or machinery/equipment, but a quick read of the intro of that paper looks like the WPI method is looking at finer and smaller particles.
Also noted in the paper, these finer particles are more likely to be retained in the lung and contribute to a calculated total dose.
It isn't independent of itself.
Fairewinds is so far the only source claiming the detection of Americium in the US.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
i could be wrong, but...
Didn't that grad student say that they were taking measurements? I tried to find some measurements on the school's website, but no luck, though I didn't look that hard. Seems to me something to ask about via a quick email? IKve found most researchers usually willing to discuss their projects, at least on some level?
LT
The dude made some claims
The dude made some claims that are not straight-forward. He talked about Japan gettin more radiation than during nuclear testing. It's true, but nuclear testing released something like 5-10 Billion Curies over 50 years. The radiation is more concentrated in Fukushima, but I'm not coninced the levels are less, when you add in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Japan's totals.
He also said the air testing had revealed Americium and Californium in Japan and that "several of he same componenents were found in the US", not really specifying what was found. When pressed he said that Americium was found in either Hawaii or the west coast. If his monitoring is different than the EPA then it bears examination. But, it's unclear if he's referring to EPA tests or not when he talks about "our testing."
Confusing.
Tepco Press Release (Apr
Tepco Press Release (Apr 27,2011)
Detection of radioactive materials in the soil in
Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (5th release)
"As part of monitoring activity of the surrounding environment, we
conducted an analysis of plutonium contained in the soil collected on
March 21st and 22nd at the 5 spots in Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power
Station. As a result, plutonium 238, 239 and 240 were detected.
(previously announced)
As the result of the plutonium analysis in the soil from the sample from
the 3 periodic sampling spots on April 14th, plutonium 238, 239 and 240
were detected as shown in Attachment 1. In addition, as the result of
gamma ray nuclide analysis from the same sample, radioactive materials
were detected as shown in Attachment 2.
Besides, as the result of the americium and curium analysis in the soil
from 2 samples among the 3 periodic sampling spots in which plutonium was
detected on March 28th amerium 241 (?), curium 242, 243, and 244 were detected.
We have reported the results of analyses to the Nuclear and Industrial
Safety Agency and the government of Fukushima Prefecture.
We will continue to conduct the similar analysis."
According to Tepco reports,
According to Tepco reports, they found around 0.035-0.02 Bk/Kg of Americium-241 500 meters away from the reactors.
What does this mean for people living in Fukushima prefecture or other areas of Japan?
Yes, we know these have been
Yes, we know these have been found in Japan. We are talking about the US.
I think BRAWM should contact
I think BRAWM should contact the WPI researcher and try to get some hard data. In the video he claims Americium, Plutonium, Californium and others were detected by *some* monitor, in Japan and the US west coast, but doesn't say if it's the EPA data already discussed or someother system.
At least having a second set of eyes on the data could confirm or deny his findings.
Thank you, Mark
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