all radnet monitors down in California? What is going on!!!
check out all radnet monitors are down in california!!! what is going on! the air is very hazy and bright!!!!
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check out all radnet monitors are down in california!!! what is going on! the air is very hazy and bright!!!!
Didn't pull the numbers for Sacramento though
You can see the spike in the Sacramento graph.
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-sacramento-bg.html
Look at the Bakersfield Readings ..
when i first seen this i could not believe it! does anyone have an explaination for these readings?
i came to this site first, because it is the most knowledgable of all the sites i have visited so far.
these would seem to me to be extremely dangerous readings. i have heard of many explanations
and NONE so far convince me it is JUST RADON or could possibly be normal. I have never seen
readings over 1,000 cpm before. The spikes are unbelievable. The EPA specific query search tool
for the hourly readings also does not seem to be working anymore. has anyone noticed this?
Not according to brawm
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/5481
Something from brawm on these spikes bieng radon related...
yes they did...
There are several hours of data points pulled from the data set that is available to the public.
The graph that you are seeing there, at least from a couple of hours ago, is mussing at least about 16 hourlyv data points. It is not known how high it actually peaked, and for exactly how long.
At least at this point, it is not known.
Hope that's a error that
Hope that's a error that second graph is spiked to highest beta count yet...
Spooked
also at what beta gross count should we be concerned?jeez this graph chart has me spooked ...
Answer my own ?
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM)
The beta gross count rate measures the radiation from all radionuclides that emit beta particles, which is indicated by the term gross or total. The term count rate tells us how quickly beta particles are being detected, which indicates how much radioactivity the monitor is seeing. Each geographic location has a different CPM. Calculating the CPM is not as straight-forward as we would like it to be. In order to correctly evaluate the CPM, you must take the gross count recorded by the radiation counter and divide it by the live time of the instrument. An average background CPM ranges from 5 to 60 CPM depending on elevation, soil type, and other variables. A CPM over 100 may be a sign that radiation over the known background may be present. Further exploration of the CPM will not be explored in this article. Please contact Washington State Department of Health Office of Radiation for more information. Below, a near real-time graph of the Beta Gross Count in Olympia, WA as of March 2, 2011.
http://sciencenw.com/
No Spike In SF Though
Looks like normal background levels for SF though
Why is there a spike
Why is there a spike registered in San Francisco around March 2nd? A storm, heavy rain or anything similar?
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-sanfrancisco-bg.html
The Beta Gross count goes up to 650, much higher than any day after Fukushima.
the radnet stops at 4/23 for
the radnet stops at 4/23 for most stations, some for 3/25 in California and some other states. Quite interesting. I wonder why?
Let us not forget my cobalt blue cloud was 3/26 and no data is on radnet for that day in Sacramento or S.F. (the clouds were in the Delta, in Oakley, CA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud
check out above article about the form of mushroom clouds, it says later that it can cause blue/purple iodization of oxygen etc. I am wondering whether that cobalt color comes from a form of iodization of something in that cloud due to radioactive particles?
Sac numbers
To whomever said that they have been watching the SF monitor....it seems that that monitor is pretty consistently low-ish. Has it ever spiked? I haven't watched it much, but I've never seen it spike when I've looked at it.
The Sacramento Radnet values that went with that green graph, I think they use different units. Soon, the spike in that green graph won't be visible at it scrolls away, but in Radnet units (CPM's), the Sac numbers went from 30-ish numbers, to several values nearly 200, and then it was taken offline for 9 hours when it came back on with values again in the mid-30 range. So, in the wee hours of Wed morning, I don't know what the Delta breeze brought through town.....
Nope, always steady at 8-14
Nope, always steady at 8-14 uRem/hr.
Makes me wish....
There were some monitoring stations in the foothills, maybe where the Delta breeze "ends". Thinking how the Western side of the Sierras gets the SF and some of the Valley pollution because of the breezes - wondering if the radiation would follow the same pattern.
European weather monitoring patterns re xeon plums re U.S.
From your neighbor in Los Angeles:
Berkeley, your findings of reduced Iodine-131 and Cesium appear consistent with European weather monitoring patterns predicted for the United States. Japanese Pacific jet stream plumes, however, now are showing relatively large concentrations of Xeon cruising over the Northern Hemisphere, including the United States. Suspect increased Xeon pollution is complements of the explosion at #3 Fukushima reactor. Are you able to monitor for Xeon fallout? How will this affect air, water, and food... especially on our West Coast areas?
I have a geiger counter and
I have a geiger counter and numbers seem to be increasing today, as well as a couple of days ago. If there is /was a Xenon plume moving across North America now, would this have any effect on weather patterns? Such as tornadoes in AK? May have nothing to do with it, but if it caused heat through the atmosphere...maybe?
I'm wondering the same thing
about the bad tornadoes lately and a possible radiation link.
Xenon! Xenon! Xenon! Yes,
Xenon! Xenon! Xenon!
Yes, thanks for correcting my spelling.
Xenon
Xenon
Here's an odd bit of
Here's an odd bit of coincidence. The SF Radnet monitors are still down, but the Blackcat radiation map picked this up overnight from a post in Sacramento:
http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/history.html?id=44
If the pic becomes unavailable I saved it to my PC.
It sure looks like something moved through the area last night and doubled the background readings.
BRAWM, please make sure that you guys captured the filter that includes April 26th.
That green chart....
Looks like it's in Fresno.
I put in the Long/Lat into google and it pops up in Fresno at the airport.
Coordinates For Sacramento
The coordinates for Sacramento are:
Lon: -121.484070
Lat: 38.554609
The coordinates shown in the graph are:
Lon: -119.45
Lat: 36.46
Which puts the graph somewhere in the Fresno area.
The EPA stations for Fresno and Bakersfield have been
notorious for wild swings.
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-fresno-bg.html
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-bakersfield-bg.html
I don't know why those stations behave that way. But, I've
stopped looking at those stations for that reason.
I'd also like to know where it was April 28 last night (as
it shows in the graph).
oops....
I just posted something similar, looked up the coords, didn't see your post here below.
It is true that Sac had a spike, but it's not the same spike necessarily as in Fresno.
Fluctuations In Background Radiation
I was watching the Radiation network site most of the evening. I
didn't see the SF station go down. And it was showing the usual
range of 20-40 CPM. The graph in the link above is actually showing
lower than what the Radiation Network shows as an average for SF.
The Blackcat site is currently showing 18, which is close to the
peak of the graph posted.
The EPA site that Rick provided a link for showed 15 last night. And
is currently showing 16 CPM. Which isn't far off of the peak in the
graph either.
Could be the earth just burped some radon....
Radiation Network only
Radiation Network only measures in counts per minute. This is quite abritrary as each type of counter and GM tube are a little different. The idea that 1 CPM = 1 uRad/hr is not universal.
On my detector, an Aware Electronics RM-60 (the smallest one they make) 1 CPM = 0.97 uRad/hr. But, the device is modular (why I like it) and the counter device (which it separate) is calibrated for display independently.
So, since the Blackcat site normalizes the detector readings across all models they support (and would hopefully include a check source as part of the package to calibrate) they get my vote as they record their readings in uRad/hr.
I've been watching that
I've been watching that graph for a month straight. It's never done that before. Something happened.
Many of Radiation Network's monitoring stations down, also
Many of Radiation Network's (an independent radiation monitoring system) were and are also down last night and today. Hmm-m-m-m
are you sure? that is
are you sure? that is suspicious.
A lot of the ad-hoc
A lot of the ad-hoc monitoring network stations are attached to ordinary people's PCs. They tend to come and go if people shut down their computers.
Yes, that may be true about
Yes, that may be true about the PCs, but I have noticed that a significantly large number of monitoring stations (especially in the San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Phoenix areas, among other areas across the U.S.) not infrequently seem to go out, when an especially heavy amount of radioactive fallout is being predicted by European weather monitoring stations to be threatening the United States.
Yes, something moved through....
I have the times at home when it registered - a definite spike.....thanks for posting that picture, I was looking for confirmation that it had gone back down....
Looks like the graphs are
Looks like the graphs are back up, but now they only read through the 25th?!?!?
Something strange is going on.
bump
bump
not to add fuel to the fire
Government Responds to Nuclear Accident by Trying to Raise Acceptable Radiation Levels and Pretending that Radiation is Good For Us
http://www.ucimc.org/content/government-responds-nuclear-accident-trying...
anyone have a reputable media outlet story on these levels being raised or any documentation?I am positive the Japanese have raised there limits but has the us gov too?please help I am not interested in doomsday website postings I want facts.
Try not to rely on Radnet,
Try not to rely on Radnet, since as I and others have documented, they erase, back-post, and generally falsify their readings. This only makes sense from an organization that has %40 of their CA machines down on a "good day"; uses volunteers to collect and send in the filters to EPA; and on and on about how they generally lie with a smirk on their faces, and downplay the abysmal state of our environment.
Your local nuclear plant does monitoring 24-7
Guys try googling your local nuclear power plant they have the best monitors my local plant said in a press release that they had no increase in radiation..up to march 31. They are a resource .
Lol, sorry, i'm not going to
Lol, sorry, i'm not going to rely on a nuclear power plant to give me accurate radiation readings. sheesh!
Understandable
I know it seems crazy but these plants do have the best detection equipment.as I said it's a resource.
It's not just California...
...Since at least noon EDT today, I believe the entire EPA RadNet interactive map has been "down". This does happen sometimes, as they make updates / upgrades, perform site maintenance, etc.
EPA DID post "new" data for Precipitation, Milk and Drinking Water measurements today, however, in the appropriate sections. No new Air Monitoring data have been posted since April 10, however.
There is another way to get the most current data for each monitoring station / location, however. Go to:
http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/data-updates.html
...And click on the text, "online database".
...Then, click on "RadNet Map View".
When the Google map comes up, click on the monitoring station(s) you want to have a look at. Near-realtime data for all Gamma Energy Ranges, as well as the Gross Beta Count Rate (all listed in Counts Per Minute) will come up on the right. It's cumbersome, but if you remember the basic plot-graph layout of the normal EPA RadNet interface, it'll give you what you're looking for.
This is also the "gateway" interface to run all sorts of queries and analyses.
Hope this helps. Be calm... I'm sure the RadNet Website will be up no later than Thursday.
Rick.
Yoh: So making comparisons
Yoh: So making comparisons with X-rays and CT scans has no meaning. Because you can breathe in radioactive material.
Hirose: That's right. When it enters your body, there's no telling where it will go. The biggest danger is women, especially pregnant women, and little children. Now they're talking about iodine and cesium, but that's only part of it, they're not using the proper detection instruments. What they call monitoring means only measuring the amount of radiation in the air. Their instruments don't eat. What they measure has no connection with the amount of radioactive material.
Yoh: So damage from radioactive rays and damage from radioactive material are not the same.
Hirose: If you ask, are any radioactive rays from the Fukushima Nuclear Station here in this studio, the answer will be no. But radioactive particles are carried here by the air. When the core begins to melt down, elements inside like iodine turn to gas. It rises to the top, so if there is any crevice it escapes outside.
Yoh: Is there any way to detect this?
Hirose: I was told by a newspaper reporter that now Tepco is not in shape even to do regular monitoring. They just take an occasional measurement, and that becomes the basis of Edano's statements. You have to take constant measurements, but they are not able to do that. And you need to investigate just what is escaping, and how much. That requires very sophisticated measuring instruments. You can't do it just by keeping a monitoring post. It's no good just to measure the level of radiation in the air. Whiz in by car, take a measurement, it's high, it's low – that's not the point. We need to know what kind of radioactive materials are escaping, and where they are going – they don't have a system in place for doing that now.
Oh great. The foxes are
Oh great. The foxes are again watching the hen house.
Rick - I have question about
Rick - I have question about this. I went into the query database and searched for radionuclides in california (e.g. strontium, cesium, iodine) and they have records of testing for them going back to the 70s. Do we have any idea why there were positive readings in the past and also why for over a decade every single reading was "ND" after several decades of them being detected. It's almost as if they changed the testing protocol or stopped testing at some point. I also wonder if they have falsified any of this to make it look as if these have always been present in our milk and water. I was not aware that EPA was regularly testing for these isotopes in our milk, but according to this database they have, and they have been detected. And finally, if they have all this historical data on strontium-89 and 90, why can't they produce test results for that now???
Chinese nuclear testing
Chinese nuclear testing didn't end until 1980. Fallout from their tests made it to the US.
Over the last 30 years, except for Chernobyl, things have been gradually "cooling off" from the 40 years of nuke testing.
Detection, Radnet Monitors Down and Chinese nuclear testing...
In reply to CA Radnet monitors being down and 'Chinese nuclear testing' I wish I was still in touch with 2 people who have a spouse or one of which who worked or still works at Lawrence Livermore Lab-they have detection equipment that can even measure alpha and beta releasing particles in addition to gamma but, since some of the info. about detection and research is classified all they could say in response to questions such as 'has there been any Plutonium or Uranium detected in the air?' The most they could probably let on to me would be a simple yes or no and even then it would have to be kept a secret for various reasons including stuff like detection of secret activity of foreign governments.
Can the BRAWM team send their air samples to a source like Lawrence Livermore Lab and have them run it through their detection equipment to get a more comprehensive detection result too? Would elements such as Plutonium become evident?
The results might prove interesting to say the least.
Chinese nuclear testing
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-27 21:59.
Chinese nuclear testing didn't end until 1980. Fallout from their tests made it to the US.
Over the last 30 years, except for Chernobyl, things have been gradually "cooling off" from the 40 years of nuke testing.
-Off my menu: All Seafoods because the oceans really are a military and industrial sewer! Yes, I will miss Anchovies on my pizza, fishsticks, red snapper, tuna (even 'chicken of the sea' is no longer 'worthy,'crab, fake crab (made with Pollock, an ocean fish), clam chowder, Nori Seaweed,Caviar etc... See: http://pstuph.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/can-ocean-currents-transport-radi...
yes, but it goes from month
yes, but it goes from month after month of detection to ND for months on end starting in 1991. It is very odd. Also, why would cesium just disappear from view all of a sudden when it has such a long half life.
This is the database search page i am looking at
http://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_query
You can search by medium as well as state and substance
So, I just went and checked
So, I just went and checked Burlington, Vermont numbers too. And at the exact same time as California - Spring of 1991, everything becomes "ND". California and Vermont are a long way apart to have their cesium evaporate at the same exact time...
got to the map... but have
got to the map... but have no idea what the numbers or words mean.. as most normal persons would not...