BRAWM Team, any plans to monitor seafood?
BRAWM Team, any plans to monitor seafood? I know you all have a lot on your plate as it is. Thank you all for you hard work.
BRAWM Team, any plans to monitor seafood? I know you all have a lot on your plate as it is. Thank you all for you hard work.
Response to Dr. Chiver's re: testing seaweed
Dr. Chivers and the BRAWM Team,
Thank you sooooo much for the work that you are doing and for the public service you are providing. As a parent of two young children (ages 6 and 9) living in Southern California, you have greatly eased my fears and anxieties concerning the radiation coming from Japan. Your well documented information on radiation isotopes in air, water, and food, as well as the feedback and response you've given us, have armed me. my husband, and my friends with knowledge and have empowered us to make decisions around diet and lifestyle in a sane and responsible manner. You have all been a godsend and I can't imagine what state I, as a parent, along with many of my friends, would be in if we did not have you as an information and feedback source.
With respect to testing other items, I for one would greatly appreciate this. But, if it means that testing other items takes the place of air monitoring, this would be of great concern to me. You are the only credible source of timely and consistent air monitoring, as far as I am concerned, and until TEPCO/ Japan entombs the damaged reactors at Fukushima-Daiichi, we may receive fall-out every now and again, I suspect. For this reason, I for one, would request the air monitoring to continue until Japan's radiation crisis is over, when there is zero chance of fall-out blowing over our way.
I realize that you have limited resources and definitely there are so many important things to test - ie., seaweed, seafood, seawater, meats, dairy, eggs, etc., so this is only my request.
Thank you again, you all are angels! Many blessings to you and yours.
Somewhat related to this, we
Somewhat related to this, we have just started testing seaweed and are planning to do a series of measurements over the next several weeks.
Mark [BRAWM Team Member]
That's awesome, thank you so
That's awesome, thank you so much!
I am also wondering about fresh fish in ponds, etc as Chernobyl
statistics someone posted on this board said Fish had the highest levels of bioaccumulated radionuclides.
I am assuming that means fresh fish as Chernobyl was not near the ocean.
If cesium gets into a pond or lake and stays there as part of that food chain it will bioaccumulate in the fish and other creatures (turtles, frogs, salamanders, fowl, snakes, eels) which live in the contaminated water.
One time while travelling with Dr. Ernest Sternglass ( a hero of mine who is a genius scientist and nuclear energy whistleblower who worked with the Radiation and Public Health Project www.radiation.org ) we were looking at a pond downind of several nuke plants (not downstream but downwind) and he said all the fish in it would be heavily contaminated and should not be eaten for decades or longer.
I would think salmon and trout and other species fo fish from fresh waters need to be tested soon to look for radioiodine and strontium and radiocesium etc.. If the Chernobyl stats are accurate, then we may see bioqaccumulation in fresh water fish where contaminated fallout came down and is being measured in soil, milk, etc. Since it would bioaccumulate it might not be so evident in the water itself when it might be detectable in the fish thyroids, skin and meat and bones and organs.
For that matter, it is time to start looking at Beef and cow thyroids for radioidine accumulation too. Not to mention pigs, sheep, goats and anything else we eat. Test the thyroids first for iodine (a pretty sure indicator of the Fukushima contamination and look also at the bones and organs for strontium and cesium.) We had this done with lobster in Long Island Sound and the organs of the lobsters was higher than in people in Chernobyl (testing was for strontium 90) and higher in their organs than ion their shells. This result was never made public (until now) as the plan was to get additional lobsters from other sources to be able to prove if it was definitely related to nuclear facilities on or near LI Sound, and this was not ever accomplished as the focus was on human health not the lobster blight occurring in LI Sound. Without a second sample, they did not release the sample results, unfortunately. (This was ten years ago almost)
The testing was expensive (they mostly tested baby teeth). Strontium 90 sparks of a radioactive particle in decay only every fifteen minutes or so (it decays slowly) - so to get the "count" they would wait for two ticks on their detection device (a very expensive machine) as I understood the process.
In Japan, btw, we know that strontium 89, which has a relatively short half life, has been detected up to 80 kilometers from the Fukushima plant (according to the NHK news service) which is a pretty good indicator that it is from Japan, it definitely accompanies high levels of strontium 90, and due to its short half life it is probably from Fukushima (but I guess it could be from another operating nuclear plant there in Asia or even from the US --- but I do not know if they release strontium 89 routinely from nuke operations the way they do with strontium 90, according to the baby tooth study data and other sources from the Radiation and Public Health Project.
I would like to go to SF and
I would like to go to SF and buy some random imported fish in Japan town and see if we can get anything. Other than that, I am going to collect some surface algae up at Tilden this weekend which is just about the beginning of the food web. Once nuclides from air samples reduce to MDA, we will get more capacity to test other interesting things.
Maybe You Could Test These Ones?
These could prove to be an interesting study for your field...
http://www.theprovince.com/health/Leukemia+type+virus+killing+Fraser+Riv...
Andrei Sakharov predicted pandemics caused by radiation
http://www.countercurrents.org/kishner110509.htm
The virus seen in the Salmon mentioned in the article linked above this comment is extremely troubling.
But it was not unforeseen.
Andrei Sakharov predicted that global radioactive fallout would mutate viruses and bacteria which humans and other creatrures have no resistance to (unless and until the "fittest" survive to fight it off BUT with MORE fallout the bacteria and viruses will keep mutating) Things like SARS and MRSA may be typical as may be the leukemia causing the Salmon pandemic.
Excerpt of article:
"... back in the 1950s, the so-called ‘father of the [Soviet] hydrogen bomb’ predicted that the radioactive fallout from the ‘Cold War’ could accelerate the rise of mutant pathogens, including influenzas.
"Andrei Sakharov, the atomic scientist-turned-critic, wrote in his book 'Memoirs' (published last decade) that in the late 1950s he suggested 'that a global increase in mutations of bacteria and viruses...might have been an important factor in the spread of such diseases as diphtheria in the nineteenth century, or the influenza epidemic, and that low-level radiation might further increase the rate of mutations.’
"Sakharov's 1950’s prediction may have come true according to a rare grouping of scientists who have connected the rise of certain diseases and disorders with the peaking of radioactive emissions from nuclear power plants on regional scales or nuclear testing on a global scale." (more at url)
I hesitate to even raise this spectre as it is dso unpleasant but wanted the BRAWM team to be cognizant of it (if they were not already).
Because the evolutionary rate of bacteria and viruses is so quick they quickly mutate when exposed to fallout such as from Fukushima, Chernobyl and nuclear power plant radionuclide emissions and effluents. We do not evolve quickly enough to develop immunity to these new strains.
Add to that the damage to the immune system when the thyroid is damaged by radio-iodine or other radionuclides and our internal organs, heart, liver, bowels, etc and we are weakened overall and our bodies are more susceptible to these new mutant viruses and bacteria.
I urge BRAWM team members to read the article, think about this, and dig deeper.
Again, I was originally told about this by Dr. Ernest Sternglass and he sent me a copy of the now declassified article Sakharov wrote on this back in the 1950's in the Journal of Soviet Atomic Scientists. It is a critically important issue because we must not only worry about cancer but other dieases and mutations in all species, including bacteria and viruses.
Finally, even if one does not get thyroid cancer from these socalled "minute" traces of radioiodine, people can and will develop hypothyroidism and other thyroid disorders which compromise their immune system, cause emotional and psychological problems due to stress and endocrine system disruption, heart problems, chronic fatigue, depression, and even symptoms of bipolar disorder (which are not bipolar disorder but hypothyroid disorder causing the symptoms (see DSM 4).
In any case I would urge the BRAWM team also to contact the folks examining the Pacific Salmon, get some, test them for radiation. Biologists and marine biologists always leave this component of the potential problem unexamined because they simply can't imagine it and because the inhdustry is so effective at convincing people that low level radiation is NOT dangerous and is not anything to worry about.
Viruses, microbes, and bacteria are TINY and like radiation damn near invisible without expensive detection devices. But IF you have those devices and can look at them (especially the dna) and have some baseline info, one can observe these mutations and there may well be a correlation to radiation and the decline of the Pacific Salmon that NO ONE is even looking for (until maybe now).
I HOPR BRAWM steps up. You may be the saviours of a lot of people if your work demonstrates such contamination and epidemiologists can use the data to demonstrate causality and correlations so that remedative steps can be undertaken.
One final note: Dr. Sternglass said that we also should never neglect to consider also the synergistic effect of chemical contamination with the radionuclide contamination which may multiply such problems. So even if chemicals may be a likley suspected cause one needs to examine the fish tissue and bone for radionuclides and chemical contamination (I'm think plastics especially and bisphenol (sp?) etc)
I hope someone at BRAWM or UC Berkeley is taking a look at this. Pacific Salmon and local freshwater fish /wildlife should be tested.
I would also recommend testing some local freshwater fish too
See my post above.
I do not know what kind of machine Dr. Sternglass and the Radiation and Public Health Project was using to test the baby teeth and which they used to test lobster from Long Island Sound, but they found high levels of strontium 90 in every baby tooth analyzed.
The two lobsters that were tested were from lobstermen who had lobster pots near the effluent pipes at Millstone in Waterford Connecticut.
But it would be great if you could find such a machine. Maybe the Radiation and Public Health Project could do a fundraising drive to help your department buy one if you would test such things. Alec Baldwin and Christy Brinkley (both residents of Long Island who have long held concerns about radionuclide emissions in Long Island Sound - Baldwin's mother is a breast cancer survivor) are strong supporters of the radiation and public health project and might be enlisted to help you raise funds to get the equipment you need if they knew about your work.
In any case, testing for radiocesium and radioiodine in local fresh water fish and even fresh water reptiles, frogs, turtles etc, might make sense, even if just to get more or less base line data for future testing after bioaccumulation has advanced in the next weeks, months and years.
But frankly the strontium worries me the most as it NEVER leaves the body once it gets absorbed into the bones, where as it decays it releases its radiation into the bone marrow and blood where it then migrates to other organs causing brain, bone, blood and other cancers and disorders.
yeah why is on one testing for strontium?
anywhere