IAEA presentation shows japan deposition spike for I-131 and CS-137 on April 9 and 10

Any specific reason why the deposition count would spike so heavily for 2 days and then drop again on April 11?

http://www.slideshare.net/iaea/fukushima-radiological-monitoring-and-con...

See page 4 and 5 of the slideshow.

This comes from a link from:
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html (see Fukushima Radiological Monitoring and Consequences presentation link)

The link below shows

The link below shows something in the reactor was smoking, something happened on 8th?

Susan

I tried to start a thread

I tried to start a thread myself about April 8, but I guess here is more appealing.

I wrote:

I haven't seen anything in the news at all, but Japanese government charts show off the chart radiation at Reactor 1 on the 8th, and then they either stopped measuring or it's still off the charts: http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/.

It could have been a measuring instrument malfunction, of course, but I did see a reading on a local meter (Date city office, Date, NE of Fukushima, at http://www.rdtn.org/) that popped up on April 8 and went down to half that a day later.

Here's what we were TOLD happened yesterday (April 12 in Japan)

..But bear in mind, that we might be talking about two completely different things, here. As far as I know, NOTHING has been reported about smoke issuing from ANYWHERE at Fukushima on the 8th, apart from "normal" white steam venting from the four Reactor buildings.

Please look at the article below; I've also heard the location of yesterday's fire referred to as being in a "seawater sampling" building. What you're looking for is, naturally, buried pretty deep; I'll put a couple lines of asterisks (***, etc.) above and below the part I think is relevant.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/world-news/4876768/Fire-seen...
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Japan's nuke crisis now on Chernobyl level
RYAN NAKASHIMA AND YURI KAGEYAMA
Last updated 18:33 12/04/2011

Another powerful aftershock has struck near Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.

No tsunami warning was issued and no damage was immediately reported, news agency AFP reported.

The US Geological Survey (USGS) said the quake, which struck at 2.47pm local time (5.47pm NZ time), had a magnitude of 6.0 and hit less than 11 kilometres below ground.

Japanese officials had put the magnitude at 6.3.

Its epicentre was 70 kilometres south of Fukushima city in the prefecture of the same name.

Tokyo Electric Power Co said workers and engineers at the Fukushima Daiichi and Daini nuclear plants had been ordered to evacuate after the quake hit.

The company is checking the status of the two plants and details are not yet clear, a Tokyo Electric spokesman said.

Hundreds of workers and engineers are at the nuclear complex to restore functions damaged by the devastating March 11 quake and tsunami.

Japan Atomic Power Co said there were no irregularities at its Tokai Daini nuclear plant after the quake.

Tohoku Electric Power Co also said there were no irregularities at its Onagawa nuclear complex in northeast Japan.

Japan's nuclear regulators raised the severity level of the crisis at a stricken nuclear plant today to rank it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

An official with the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan, speaking on national television, said the rating was being raised from 5 to 7 — the highest level on the international scale.

The official, who was not named, said the amount of radiation leaking from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant was around 10 percent of the Chernobyl accident.

The level 7 signifies a "major accident" with "wider consequences" than the previous level, according to the standards scale.

"We have upgraded the severity level to 7 as the impact of radiation leaks has been widespread from the air, vegetables, tap water and the ocean," said Minoru Oogoda of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

NISA officials said one of the factors behind the decision was that the total amount of radioactive particles released into the atmosphere since the incident had reached levels that apply to a Level 7 incident.

The action lifts the rating to the highest on an international scale designed by an international group of experts in 1989 and is overseen by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

In Chernobyl, in the Ukraine, a reactor exploded on April 26, 1986, spewing a cloud of radiation over much of the Northern Hemisphere. A zone about 30 kilometres around the plant was declared uninhabitable, although some plant workers still live there for short periods and a few hundred other people have returned despite government encouragement to stay away.

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Meanwhile, setbacks continued at Japan's tsunami-stricken nuclear power complex, with workers discovering a small fire near a reactor building Tuesday. The fire was extinguished quickly, the plant's operator said.
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News of the fire came only minutes after a 6.3 aftershock struck off the coast of Chiba, 77km northwest of Tokyo. Kyodo said Japan's main international airport Narita closed runways for checks but later resumed flights.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the disabled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, said the fire at a box that contains batteries in a building near the No. 4 reactor was discovered at about 6.38am (9.38am NZ time) today and was put out seven minutes later.

It wasn't clear whether the fire was related to a magnitude-6.3 earthquake that shook the Tokyo area Tuesday morning. The cause of the fire is being investigated.

"The fire was extinguished immediately. It has no impact on Unit 4's cooling operations for the spent fuel rods," said TEPCO spokesman Naoki Tsunoda.

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The plant was damaged in a massive tsunami March 11 that knocked out cooling systems and backup diesel generators, leading to explosions at three reactors and a fire at a fourth that was undergoing regular maintenance and was empty of fuel.

The magnitude-9.0 earthquake that caused the tsunami immediately stopped the three reactors, but overheated cores and a lack of cooling functions led to further damage.

Engineers have been able to pump water into the damaged reactors to cool them down, but leaks have resulted in the pooling of tons of contaminated, radioactive water that has prevented workers from conducting further repairs.

Aftershocks on Monday briefly cut power to backup pumps, halting the injection of cooling water for about 50 minutes before power was restored.

RADIOACTIVE WATER

The March 11 tsunami, the largest recorded in quake-prone Japan, crippled the reactors' cooling systems.

Engineers at the plant north of Tokyo said they were no closer to restoring the plant's cooling system, which is critical to bringing down the temperature of overheated fuel rods and to bringing the six reactors under control.

TEPCO said yesterday it had stopped the discharge of low-level radioactive water into the sea that have drawn complaints from neighbouring China and South Korea.

It has already pumped 10,400 tonnes of low-level radioactive water into the ocean to free up storage capacity for highly contaminated water from the reactors.

In a desperate move to cool the highly radioactive fuel rods, TEPCO has pumped water onto reactors, some of which have experienced partial meltdown.

But the strategy has hindered moves to restore the plant's internal cooling system as engineers have had to focus on how to store 60,000 tonnes of contaminated water.

Engineers are also pumping nitrogen into reactors to counter a build-up of hydrogen and prevent another explosion sending more radiation into the air, but they say the risk of such a dramatic event has lowered significantly since March 11.

EVACUATION ZONE WIDENS

Because of accumulated radiation contamination, the government is encouraging people to leave certain areas beyond its 20km exclusion zone around the plant. Thousands of people could be affected by the move.

TEPCO President Masataka Shimizu visited the area yesterday for the first time the disaster. He had all but vanished from public view apart from a brief apology shortly after the crisis began and has spent some of the time since in hospital.

"I would like to deeply apologise again for causing physical and psychological hardships to people of Fukushima prefecture and near the nuclear plant," said a grim-faced Shimizu.

Dressed in a blue work jacket, he bowed his head for a moment of silence with other TEPCO officials at 2.46pm, exactly a calendar month after the earthquake hit.

-AP, with Reuters
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So, there, I guess. I don't think this is relevant in the slightest to the April 8 spike. I need to check back through the JAIF and IAEA documents to see if I can find a correlation... And I need to eat today, too, at some point.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

I am the OP and my follow up

I am the OP and my follow up to my original question is if the I-131 is spiking, it pretty much guarantees that some sort of criticality is still occurring right?

I didn't get it. Anybody can

I didn't get it. Anybody can help me understand it? Another explosion on 8th?

Could the explanation be

changing winds? More than 90% of the shit was blown out towards the US since the beginning of the crisis. Perhaps the spikes in Ibaraki can be explained by a short time window with winds coming from the North-East?

Great find! Unbelievable

Great find!

Unbelievable that there is no public explanation...

I don't know about anyone else...

...But what's "unbelievable", for me at least, is getting narrower and narrower, while what's "outrageous, but typical these days" has become a fairly wide-open field.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

Tepco Fukushima Daiichi

Some theories.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the recent report (from Kyodo News, IIRC -- I cited it in another thread earlier today) that pressure in the No. 1 Reactor has remained mysteriously STABLE lately, even as they've continued to inject nitrogen into the RPV (could be wrong about whether it's going directly into the Reactor Pressure Vessel, there). It OUGHT to be increasing, but it's not, leading them to believe it's seeping right back out again. One would IMAGINE that if that's the case, additional radionuclides are continuing to stream out, as well... And since we all know that they're having to continue to "feed and bleed" Reactors 1, 2, AND 3 with water, it's reasonable to conclude that various isotopes are continuing to exit into the general environment.

Something else I've noticed from JAIF's several-times-a-day updates: With the exception of Reactor 3, which SEEMS to be gradually ramping down toward "cold shutdown" (based on the reported temperatures), temperatures are gradually INCREASING over the last several days. Reactor 1's status is especially concerning to me right now, because there's apparently a real big discrepancy between the monitored temp's at the feed water intake to the RPV, and at the BOTTOM of the RPV. Also I have learned in the last day or so that these are at best only ESTIMATED temperatures from well outside the containment vessels proper, because the thermometers inside ALL THREE of the Reactors' containment vessels are either not functioning or not reliable. (Would love it if someone fact-checked me on that, though.)

Lately they've been SLIGHTLY decreasing the amount of water being constantly pumped into at least two of the three Reactors -- ramping down in reported increments of 1 cubic meter / hour -- which I expect was, simultaneously, an effort to decrease the amount of contaminated waste water being continually generated, AND an effort to CONSERVE water overall, as WELL as an indication that they felt they could continue to maintain stability in those Reactors, if not actually bring them nearer to "cold shutdown" status, by expending less water and putting less pressure on the entire system. I wonder if that might not have been a little premature, now. Certainly, we don't need to be seeing true "EMERGENCY" cooling operations popping up, now or EVER again.

Finally -- Does ANYBODY have any real, verifiable, updated info about the Spent Fuel Pools, or the Common pool? I know they're still finding it necessary to SPRAY water in there, almost, if not actually, on a daily basis -- but does anyone know if they're managing to MAINTAIN the coolant levels in those ponds? 'Cause I can't find that information being disseminated, not lately, not by IAEA, JAIF, NISA, OR TEPCO.

One last observation: JAIF's updates reflect a pretty steadily decreasing level of monitored radioactivity at the three "permanent" sites at the Fukushima plant. Every other day, sometimes even within the same day, most of the three stations tick down a unit or two. That would SEEM to indicate that no new SIGNIFICANT depositions / releases are occurring at this point, at least, not into the general atmosphere. However -- prevailing winds supposedly carry this crap straight offshore and toward North America. I would LOVE it if they could use a crane or something to put monitors DIRECTLY OVER EACH REACTOR BUILDING, even dip 'em a bit INSIDE the open roofs if possible and practical, so we could get SOME idea of the continual levels of radioactive generation and emissions. 'Cause flying a helicopter or fixed-wing UAV over every week or so ain't cutting it for THIS cowboy, I'll tell you that much, folks.

...Anyone else have any thoughts? Love to hear 'em, pro, con, or indifferent.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

Which means the spiked

Which means the spiked radiation can be carried on the Jet Stream to the United States around April 25/26th.

I wonder how much more the United States people and our environment can handle?

A couple things to consider...

[1] Those are just UNINFORMED, SPECULATIVE THEORIES. I very likely don't have any idea of what I'm talking about.

[2] I don't know about that April 25-26 prediction. I've heard estimates ranging anywhere between 72 hours and 10-11 days for fallout to transit from Fukushima to the West Coast. I imagine there's NO set "standard" or reliable, day in, day out model. There's just too many variables: How high the particles rise in the atmosphere, what fronts or systems are moving through those 5000 miles during the period in question, what "local" weather circumstances, including wind direction, speed, pressure, and precipitation are for EVERY INCH of that distance... Etc., etc., etc.

[3] Do your own research and thinking, and arrive at your own conclusions. This is too big, too complex, too variable, too unpredictable, and too unique a situation for there to be ANY real "experts" on ANY PART of this, let alone the disaster as a whole, is what my thinking is today. I'd love it if that changed, however.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

Ooops - typo. Meant April

Ooops - typo. Meant April 15th-16th.

That sounds more "in the ballpark".

However... I've been watching EPA's RADNET, and the civilian "Radiation Network", VERY closely these last several days, and I'm seeing SUBSTANTIAL, SUSTAINED "upticks" all over the friggin' place. Los Angeles... San Francisco... San Jose... Phoenix... Denver... Chicago... Boston. Of course, at least with regard to the RADNET data, I have ABSOLUTELY NO FRIGGIN' IDEA WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, since they're apparently on a mission, there, to provide RAW DATA BUT NO CONTEXT OR EXPLANATION. I have asked the BRAWM staff to take a look at the RADNET Beta and Gamma Gross Counts, but they're kinda busy right now, so I'm trying to be patient.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

I would be skeptical of

I would be skeptical of Radnet, they seem to "doctor" the data to smooth out spikes; the charting has been changed, so now you have to click for "gross beta"==which is the one that is more understandable.Regarding radiationnetwork, there seems to be higher readings (Colorado has been high all the tine so it is not an indicator--see their updates).

I don't want to agree with that assessment...

...But I find myself doing so. More and more every day.

To quote one of my favorite movies, "I'm starting to get two things: Curious, and PISSED OFF." ("The Insider")

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

I was not happy that

I was not happy that RadiationNetwork.com had several of their southern-most monitors go offline this morning, and have remained so. They were fairly elevated last night before I went to bed - the southern-most one I think hit a sustained 50, when often it is quite low. I wake up to find that one, and a couple of others, are offline. That 50 was consistent with a RadNet uptick in San Diego. RadNet has SD reading much lower today, but I like to compare to the private network.

Yeah...

Radiation Network's been scaring the Hell outta me for a good five or six days, now. "Spikes" of 200% to 400% ABOVE "normal background" are becoming common, and they're not just showing up for a couple minutes and then resetting to something like the norm. We're talking SUSTAINED PERIODS in the 40s, all the way up to the 70s (that's Counts Per Minute, folks) in places like Denver. But they've been mostly quiet on their "Messages" page... I am waiting to hear their analysis, they've been operating this ad hoc civilian network far, far longer than I've been watching it, and I imagine not much slips by 'em. So I'm holding on to my cookies... For now. (Not like I could do anything about it, anyway.)

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

How come such spikes don't

How come such spikes don't show up on Enviroreporter?

***Someone posted that they

***Someone posted that they called the EPA for results and was told that the EPA hands their results over to the DOE.

***I thought that was very interesting and something few have picked up on.

****So...all of this information is filtered through the DOE before it gets to us?

***We are getting less information here than Japan. Maybe GREENPEACE can come here and monitor our land like they did in Japan.

***Also, why don't the ZAMG maps from Austria that show Japan radiation plume disbursal show the United States anymore???

Those are all VERY interesting tidbits of information...

...And, you know, I think that Greenpeace monitoring idea is a pretty good one.

I'm going to share your post, Anonymous, with someone I've been in contact with "in the media" and see what he makes of it. Thanks.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com