Formal request for UCB team to disable anaymous posting/create registered accounts and enforce banning
The trolls on the site are getting out of hand. Whatever their agenda, they are spreading a significant amount of bad information from their own heads or refuse to cite their sources/scaring/polluting the forums. It is difficult enough to get accurate information without the associated disinformation being mixed in.
It would really be a benefit if this forum would drop the anonymous posting and also enforce removing individuals that are causing disruptions and spreading blatently false information.
I would hope that people can see the benefit from making the rules of the playgroud a little more rigorous.
Thank you.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
censorship is not the answer. the spurious complaint above is in fact disinformation, there are no "bad apples" here submitting wrong or confusing information. there is no need for registered accounts, unless you don't happen to realize that is an absurd notion.
Kazoo, you are trash and a
Kazoo, you are trash and a troll.
to bee or not to bee that is the question...
get these "unschooled" kids off this board. thank you.
...brought to you by the EPA & NRC...
The original post, that is.
Banning spammers is one thing; censoring "bad information" [sic] is quite another.
Your post is typical of the
Your post is typical of the trash that needs to be filtered. Please go away and stop attributing peoplevwho want clear information with conspiracies by the government.
depends on your point of view and belief system, i suppose...
no that post makes a lot of sense, the idiotic assertion that UCB and its students are for sale, is what it is. i agree it's unnecessary and a bit shallow, but i just skip over what is painfully obvious to most folk. no harm done. thank you.
This poster makes a case for
This poster makes a case for better quality of info on the forum:
"I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm not that sort of person. I'm just scared for my family. I want to be informed so I can give my kid the best chance possible at a healthy life. I don't want to believe the doomsayers and it's hard to believe our government would let so many people suffer from their failure to properly address the situation."
Sounds like the Goverments Job to me.
Maybe if the Goverment had all of the EPA monitoring stations up and the news media gave reliable information, the public would not panic like that.
True, which is why the UCB
True, which is why the UCB site is so important to getting the word out. We all need to do a better job so that there is less low-quality data on this site so people like that can get right to the info they are looking for.
Why did you come to this forum?
If you are coming to this forum to get anything other than data and interpretations of that data from Berkely staff than you are not in the right place.
If you take advice or info from anyone else on this site than it is at your own risk.
This forum is designed to assist in the communication between the scientists taking and posting data and the public. We have received many emails and phone calls with very good questions and this forum should be a common place for questions to be answered and discussions about our data. Please feel free to review other answers and ask questions. We also respectfully ask that the discussion remains civil.[From the description of this forum on the home page]
drgonzojohnson
webworker, you are probably the hardest working person on the web, keep up the good work!
I agree. Having everyone as
I agree. Having everyone as "Anonymous" makes it very difficult to tell who is posting and how many people are in a discussion.
There really is no way to expect people to put their name in the post unless it is a mandatory part of the system.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
i like anonymous. it's cool, and it gets the job done.
I guess the trolls have
I guess the trolls have found this thread. Forget any more rational discussion.
anonymous posts
I think that if you to have any kind of validity in your posts you ought to submit your name. What is the harm in it?
See the posts below from
See the posts below from JFP, for why this is not a solution.
there are alot of deranged and dangerous people in this world
there are alot of delusional misfits and dangerous people in this world, and on the internet, for this reason alone i would not give my true name. that this childish deformed macho attitude is dangerous and lazy, is certain, that you suggest it defies commonsense and moral principles. geeze.
Don't you think that the
Don't you think that the team has enough workload on their hands without having to police the public forum and maintain user registrations?
This wouldn't be an issue if everyone was at least pretending to behave like a grown-up.
Agreed...
...And agreed. (Both points / statements.)
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
Interesting, you disagreed
Interesting, you disagreed quite vocally on my other notes regarding your random babble in large quantities.
Well, I don't know about anyone else...
...But I'm not done living, learning or making mistakes, yet. And I reserve the right to flip-flop, even gratuitously, if it means that my FINAL position is the "correct" one.
That being said -- Please E-mail me with these sorts of observations. I won't fail to respond, and I won't spam or give out your information, either. I just think this sort of personal commentary ought to be kept off this Forum... And if that means that I'm not practicing what I preach, and that I'm asking you to uphold a standard I am, at best, only minimally capable of, then I ask you to consider being the "bigger" person and don't allow me to drag you down to my level.
Anyway, I think I'm about to stop "contributing" here, regardless. I'm clearly not actually contributing much, except chaos, and the thought of the BRAWM folks reading this turns my stomach. They have better things to do.
Please, no one respond to this, "pro" OR "con". I need to work this out on my own, you don't need to be distracted. Thanks.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
information wants to be free. seriously.
there is no need for this "poor me" song and dance, just read the information at face value, form your own opinion, do some research or don't,and be done with it. i don't see what is so complicated about this. all this shatting upon the form and making whiny complaints is counterproductive and illogical.
I disagree
Anonymous postings allow more people who would otherwise not bother to post submit their ideas. Besides in a situation like this, who is to decide on what is false information? Censorship is never a good idea, especially in this situation
If you don't like the post, don't read it, or just read the stickies if you only want the UCB version. Better yet put your name or handle in the "Your Name" box when you post, If all the serious posters did this you could just pass by the "Anonymous" posts like yourselves.
Cheers!
The problems come from
The problems come from individuals that post information that is false by all accounts, not just arguable or subjective. For people trying to find accurate information, this is a disservice.
I would hope that either UCB would weed these posts out, or that some forum software has the ability to vote/flag on posts for follow-up by a moderator or admin.
Anonymous posting really only gets you spam and trolls and I would believe that those tar wished to still participate would be OK with a login handle as long as it wasn't obtrusive.
False is relative
Scientists also give false data and make mistakes on a regular basis. No matter where you get information from you should always cross check. Anonymous posting allows people the opportunity to express unpopular but possibly important things without having their name attached. This can be very useful. Let's say that Joseph had an unofficial opinion about something that would make him very unpopular with his peers. He could just post it as anonymous and not worry about it. Keep in mind that many important scientific findings started out as very unpopular ideas and some people sacrificed their careers for such ideas, that in the end turned out to be true.
Another idea would be just to program a filter button to allow people to only view BRAWM posts, or only view non-anonymous posting... should be pretty easy for some computer science major to do.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
i agree. false is relative. censorship is not the answer, it is illogical and absurd.
Kazoo, Science depends on
Kazoo,
Science depends on information being falsifiable. If not, there would be no science. Your lack of understanding of this topic is reason enough to have you banned.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
wrong. catchy term, but totally offtarget. science depends upon alot of things, not the least which is cause and effect and effective measurement and realiable testing of data. and science depends upon the collection of information, hypotheses formation and hypotesis testing, creation of data and analyzing that data.
and anyone can declare information false, but this is just a thin disguise for censorship. that is the calling card of whiny and belligerent trolls, who probably lack commonsense and realword critical thinking skills. like the man said false is relative, i would hadly call that childish complaint science.
Pick your own nose, douche.
Pick your own nose, douche.
In your scenario, a
In your scenario, a scientist could also assume a pseudonym. The forum software likely keeps track of the poster's IP address, so posting anonymously is still traceable. So there probably isn't much additional benefit to having it.
UCB Does Just Fine Without Censorship
The UCB Staff are doing just fine giving there points of view to posts that they feel needs to be corrected. If you feel so strongly about these so called "post information that is false by all accounts" then why don't you prove them wrong? And why are you not posting your name or handle when it is so easy to do if this is what you truly believe is best?
Besides, I don’t believe Berkley believes in censorship, it’s undemocratic.
Putting my name in the info
Putting my name in the info box is useless because there is no authentication. Someone could assume my handle and post as me.
The forum the way it works now is not able to discriminate users.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
putting a name in a user box does not increase the validity of a post, or "magically" validate/or increase the truth of the information/assertions offered or contained within a post. geeze... you would have to be severely "unenlightened" to believe in such a falt, opaque and meaningless concept.
Right you are.
Right you are.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
Ha Ha good one. But I'm the
Ha Ha good one. But I'm the real JFP!
Censorship implies that
Censorship implies that there is valid information being suppressed. I'm not talking about information that is open to debate or challenging. I'm referring to people posting about how the Fukushima crisis started in April, or how this is a message from God or that Fukushima will destroy the world. These examples are clearly out of place on a forum that is for scientific discussion.
Even if you take the attitude that the forums are for everyone to voice their opinion, you get crazies ruining a thread like the Uranium discussion a few links down.
I'm don't think there would be any censorship to enforce user IDs and it would make removing individuals that persist on adding no substance to the conversation possible.
Formal request for UCB team to disable anaymous posting/create r
+1
I've been on this forum
I've been on this forum since day one, I think my post was the 2nd or third one up. Since then I've seen posts that accuse the nuclear team of censoring this site, which they were not. Now you're calling for them to censor it. I say leave it be. Maybe the social studies dept. at Berkley could do a study on the life of a forum.
Anyway, if you can't figure out what are spam posts and misinformation posts then I really pity you, because they are usually quite obvious. Everybody has questions, but remember that the team is doing this as a favor to you and me, so don't jump down their throats if they don't answer your question right away. I would rather have them spend their time testing for radiation. Chances are your question has been asked a bunch of times already and you just need to go back through the other posts and read them to find an answer.
Also registering is not the answer, since I could set up an anonymous registered account in less than 5 minutes. The answer to the problem of spam and misinformation lies within you, you decide what to believe and read.
If you don't want to believe the 50+ times a trained nuclear team tells you not to worry, and you want to believe the one or two rantings of an anonymous poster saying we are going to die of radiation poisoning and quoting the Bible or Mayan prophecy or crazy code numbers, then that's your choice.. but beware of stress, because it's a proven killer.
Maybe just implement a better captcha system.
That's good, sensible advice, Zamondo...
...And I say that fully aware that I'm one of those who needs to TAKE it.
Many thanks.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
BAN anaymous posting but KEEP anonymous posting
That'd be my preference.
I'd ban iPhone typos if I
I'd ban iPhone typos if I could too.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
ban posters that want to ban anonymous posters. or those that only can make unwarranted or outlandish claims, claims concerning the content of another post, especially when it is nothing but a red herring or a thick ad hominem rich post, with nothing but hollow and mawkish pseudo-accustions underneath. and pretended forms/prescriptions of relief. clearly that is the only logical solution here..
Mr. Kazoo I presume. Long
Mr. Kazoo I presume. Long time no see. Come to pollute this thread now?
Your doomsaying and trolling will getvyou nowhere, and you are a waste of oxygen.
You are the reason threads like this start, and you have added nothing to the discussion.
But, please and by all means continue to pollute. You only strengthen this argument.
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
thank you. i really mean that.
Why can't the forum host
Why can't the forum host just remove the posts that have nothing to do with nuclear energy. The spam is growing here like crazy.Also, there are all kinds of wierd comments that have nothing to do with anything Nuclear.
It's getting hard to sort through all of it to read the valuable information.
Why can't the forum host
Why can't the forum host just leave it alone. geeze.
I would be willing to
I would be willing to volunteer to moderate and kill spam (obvious ads).
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay
pick a bale of cotton, pick a bale of hay.