URANIUM DETECTED BY EPA IN CALIFORNIA
Please, see this link: What does it mean? There is absolutely no level of Uranium that is not dangerous...!!
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/rert/radnet-cart-filter-final.pdf
Please, see this link: What does it mean? There is absolutely no level of Uranium that is not dangerous...!!
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/rert/radnet-cart-filter-final.pdf
How uranium gets in the environment
How does uranium get into the environment?
Uranium is present naturally in virtually all soil, rock and water. Uranium in soil and rocks is distributed throughout the environment by wind, rain and geologic processes. Rocks weather and break down to form soil, and soil can be washed by water and blown by wind, moving uranium into streams and lakes, and ultimately settling out and reforming as rock. Uranium can also be removed and concentrated by people through mining and refining. These mining and refining processes produce wastes such as mill tailings which may be introduced back into the environment by wind and water if they are not properly controlled. Manufacturing of nuclear fuel, and other human activities also release uranium to the environment.
How does uranium change in the environment?
All uranium isotopes are radioactive. The three natural uranium isotopes found in the environment, U-234, U-235, and U-238, undergo radioactive decay by emission of an alpha particle accompanied by weak gamma radiation. The dominant isotope, U-238, forms a long series of decay products that includes the key radionuclides radium-226, and radon-222. The decay process continues until a stable, non-radioactive decay product is formed (see uranium decay series). The release of radiation during the decay process raises health concerns.
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/tenorm/drinking-water.html
U238 used in nuclear reactors to breed plutonium
I am not sure whether the NUK team wants to downplay the finding of U238 but according to Wikepeida it is used in nuclear reactors to breed plutonium, so it appears to be a big part of the nuclear reactor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238
So is U234.
I just have a feeling the NUK team is downplaying this again. Please read the wikipedia article.
Any thoughts?
Can someone please clarify
Can someone please clarify for me: it is said Uranium 238 is natural. however, why does it not show up on other states that are not part of the westcoast?
Is this U238 now from the Japanese reactors or another source?
If it was from previous nuclear testing it would show up in other states too, right?
check first
I will check first
Thank you very much for that
Thank you very much for that post. That does put my mind (at least) at ease a bit. And thank you for all your group is doing to monitor this situation. I am sure you guys are all tired.
I have just enough science background to make me worry (microbiologist) plus the fact I am a mother. Bad combo in this situation.
Thanks again for all your doing. Numbers and explanations help...me anyway...and I am just going to trust your math..ha.
A rare moment of levity from your truly...
...You just reminded me, Anonymous, of a bad line from a terrible movie born of an inconsistent genre: In "Red Planet", when space janitor Val Kilmer, surrounded by scientists who are trying to use primary-school geometry and algebra -- these ARE actors, after all -- to locate their position on the surface of Mars, when he sighs resignedly and observes, "This is the moment they talked about in high school... When math would save your life." Or words to that effect.
When elements of your present existence can be lifted directly from films that may have been directed by Roland Emmerich, Michael Bay or James Cameron, you have well and truly passed some event horizon of rationality.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
take a look at these explosions
take a look at these videos you decide.
Fukushima ¦ MOX - Pluthermal (plutonium/Uranium)- Reactor - Explosion READ INFO!!!
Video of blast at Fukushima nuke plant, radiation leak reported
With respect...
...I already know it's a bad situation, kazoo.
Just for the sake of proving that you're not the only one with a fair grasp of all this, let's review, shall we?
Three reactors more or less barely under control, potentially with fissures in the RPVs, even the Containment Vessels. One (Reactor 2) potentially half in the sea. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of tons of nearly immeasurably-irradiated seawater already out there in the Pacific Ocean, with who knows what more to come. At least one mixed-oxide reactor, incorporating both uranium and plutonium, if anecdotal and the odd bit of observational evidence can be believed. Nuclear fuel, or at a minimum high-temperature reactor effluence, mixing with seawater, potentially generating clouds of ozone-killing (and positively toxic) chloride gas. Long-range dispersals of uranium and plutonium, potentially. Long-term generation of various nasty isotopes of iodine, cesium, tellurium and who knows what else. Spent fuel pools with vastly degraded radiation sources, that happen to be, if anything, potentially MORE toxic than mere garden-variety highly refined uranium and plutonium. All manner of nuclear waste being stored at the plant. The possibility that TEPCO was operating a "breeder" reactor onsite, and all the rich, lovely elemental potentialities of THAT. Reports of ACTUAL FUSION occurring on an intermittent basis in at least one reactor. A possible neutron beam emanating from the site and angling northwest.
Not to mention: The fact that the whole plant is built on silt yards from the open sea, and that over-saturation of the ground by heavily radioactive wastewater may weaken BOTH the ground AND the buildings containing all this joy, to the point that aftershocks or heavy rains or just plain fatigue and overstress may just cause the whole damn plant to slump into the ocean, molten cores, burning spent fuel, mixed-oxide materials, radioactive soup, and plant staff, all at the same time.
Plus: How do you patch up a broken egg that's leaking radioactive liquid, while containing what's INSIDE the egg within a stable blanket of constantly circulating water? Riddle me that, Batman.
Yeah. We've got challenges, all right. No denying it. And I might not even have named them all, here.
But the gleeful way in which you continue to rattle off your doomsday prognostications, frankly, sucks. You should be ashamed of yourself. Okay, so the world may be ending -- and what do you do? Go out into the street and frighten people who are already panicked?
Do what you want. It's a free, lightly irradiated country, after all. I just wanted someone to say it out loud, and NOT "anonymously", either: You need help, pal.
I've said my last words to you in public. You want to continue this conversation, you know how to reach me. I for one don't have the time to hide behind cleverly designed "handles", and if you have any integrity at all, you wouldn't, either, But, I expect you know that already.
Bye.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
eat a banana, go to jail or jumping jacked flash continued...
watch these youtube videos and decide for yourself.
Fukushima ¦ MOX - Pluthermal (plutonium/Uranium)- Reactor - Explosion READ INFO!!!
Video of blast at Fukushima nuke plant, radiation leak reported
Boy, could you post that
Boy, could you post that video a couple of more times in a few more threads. I don't believe enough people have seen it.
play a banjo, go to jail...
no doubt.
If it fell into the ocean it
If it fell into the ocean it would probably be a win at this point.
aha!
could you show me how to translate that to acutal amounts of U-238, or indicate an approximation of how much either by weight or volume. ie., how much U-238 and/or other radionuclides would be present in a litre of water, of the measured substance.
you didn't provide a link,
you didn't provide a link, but i found what i was looking for. thank you Joseph for all you do and the considerate responses.
Please, folks...
...Let's quit this "I'm right!" "No, I'M RIGHT!" nonsense and let the BRAWM staff look into this and Reply to this concern as they see fit.
I'm as much of a conspiracy nut as anyone at this point, but let's look at this report carefully. IF the EPA or federal Government or whomever was truly trying to "cover this up", they WOULD NOT release this information, PERIOD -- not even, as in this case, two to three weeks after-the-fact. This would be close-hold. There are only a few explanations, here:
[1] It is believed, and correctly, by ACTUAL SCIENTISTS employed or connected with the Government that these levels ARE highly unusual as well as dangerous / hazardous / toxic, and the Government, realizing that, is for some reason content to release this information willy-nilly -- with zero fanfare, explanation, or context, and "late" too, inflaming the curiosity and fears of people like us, risking that it will at some point "out" into the general public through our awareness-raising efforts, and chancing an historic, society-shaking mass panic;
[2] It is believed, and correctly, by ACTUAL SCIENTISTS employed or connected with the Government that these levels ARE highly unusual as well as dangerous / hazardous / toxic, and the Government IS trying to keep this information "secret" -- but is simply so incompetent as to allow some low-level staffer or paper-shuffling bureaucrat to post this hugely worrying information, in the dead of night, and then KEEP IT UP there, for DAYS, for ANYONE to see -- and on the EPA's own home page, no less. Again, not only running the risk of that national panic I described above, but simultaneously annihilating any of their nefarious plans to keep the public ignorant for as long as possible, while moving things into place for the eventual realization that we're all screwed once people start getting sick (and if THAT were the case, I suspect this budget sideshow would have been quickly and quietly resolved LONG before last night's impasse -- remember, even Nancy Pelosi has to go home to San Francisco, to her southern California vineyards, and to her grandchildren)...
[3] It is believed, INCORRECTLY, by ACTUAL SCIENTISTS employed or connected with the Government that these levels ARE either well within the normally observable ranges of data, and therefore nothing to get into a high sweat over... OR, ARE unusual, but are so diffuse and minimal as to present almost zero identifiable impact on the human population at this point. In which case, the Government is acting more or less in good faith, presenting what information they have via the EPA for anyone to see; however, they're being really, REALLY obtuse, in assuming that, without specific explanation or data to defend these observations, the general public will simply accept these results and NOT panic... In other words, they see no reason to provide any information, even reassuring information, at all. But, again -- this is INCORRECT, let's say -- in which case, we're really really screwed, because the best scientific minds our society can produce are WRONG... So, we can't trust ANYTHING even learned and experienced people say. Therefore, we might as well throw everything -- and I mean everything -- the good folks at BRAWM are telling us, too, because there's no way for a layperson to know the difference between a scientists who knows what they're talking about, and one who doesn't. With no one to present us with reliable information, we're all on our own, and you should be sticking your finger in the wind and setting your own and your family's course by that and that alone, 'cause no one can be trusted to not be a self-destructive fool.
[4] It is believed, CORRECTLY, by ACTUAL SCIENTISTS employed or connected with the Government that these levels ARE either well within the normally observable ranges of data, and therefore nothing to get into a high sweat over... OR, ARE unusual, but are so diffuse and minimal as to present almost zero identifiable impact on the human population at this point. In which case, just as with Option [3] above, yes, the Government is acting more or less in good faith, presenting what information they have via the EPA for anyone to see; however, they're being really, REALLY obtuse, in assuming that, without specific explanation or data to defend these observations, the general public will simply accept these results and NOT panic... In other words, they see no reason to provide any information, even reassuring information, at all. But, again -- THEY'RE RIGHT, at least as far as they know, for the moment, and because I don't think any of us here, excepting he BRAWM folks, are ACTUAL nuclear scientists or physicians specializing in radiation exposure and medicine, we might as well trust them, seeing as they're obviously confident enough in their conclusions to post them on their own Web site with ZERO supporting argumentation, explication, or quantification.
There's an Option [5], of course: NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, and NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE DOING. In which case, I refer to the solution I outlined in [3]: We're all on our own, and you should be sticking your finger in the wind and setting your own and your family's course by that and that alone, 'cause no one can be trusted to not be a self-destructive fool, a schemer, or a madman.
Again -- I want to hear what the BRAWM folks have to say; they LIVE in California, and so do their families. They start to become concerned, I will, too. (Again -- this is what makes them so VERY special and unique during this ongoing emergency.)
Anyway, it's entirely possible that Option [5] really IS "the right one" -- how much data really exists on this stuff, how reliable is it, and how probable is it, truly, that ANY viable predictions can be made about ANY of this, to ANY degree? This sort of thing must really piss off the scientifically disciplined mind -- to be able to provide data, sure, but to be at the end of the day unsure how said data informs the "real-world" decisions we are, all of us, considering and contemplating, now. So you can measure the decay of a certain isotope in a single batch of air taken from one monitoring station at a fixed location on one day in the course of an ongoing event that may well take years, or longer, to conclude. How do you take that information, hard-won and verifiable though it is, and translate that into whether or not you should ask that McDonald's leave the lettuce off your next quarter pounder with cheese? I do not envy you, BRAWM staff; maybe not knowing is better than having the ability to find, assemble, organize, and report the data, but not to know all the myriad permutations and circumstances by which that data influences your life. We are all, after all, living lives WELL "inside the test tube" now... And I suspect we will continue to, for the rest of our lives. Things just don't go back the way they were, ever again. (If you think I'm wrong, please, correct me, and tell me why.)
BRAWM staff, I don't know if you've realized it, yet, but you are a microcosm of what your Government SHOULD be, as well as of what responsible, well-informed, public-interest-valuing professionals in EVERY profession should be like. Without you, there would be a vast, frightening, deafening silence out there... Being a lifelong Republican, and a person who only ever visited California under protest, and a father who previously would have cringed at the thought of my child asking to attend BERKELEY, of all places, I just have to say: I am learning a LOT, about a lot of things, these days, and finding some of my most fundamental, treasured, and formerly "bulletproof" assumptions, biases and conclusions no longer hold water.
I am eager to read what you have to say.
Rick Cromack
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
Thank you Rick for your
Thank you Rick for your posts. I actually enjoy reading them because you come across as open minded and looking for info and answers without needing to be right.
I wish at the very least someone would tell us when to stay inside and protect our children from breathing this stuff that is floating over. Right now,...nothing. No news from Japan and none from CNN. It is irresponsible and at the very least they should be giving us some guidelines in protecting ourselves.
Thank you...
...For most of my life, I've PRETENDED to be "open minded", but I don't REALLY think I have been, really. Saying you're open to other opinions is one thing, but if all you need to do to CONVINCE someone of your supposed open-mindedness is to play at listening carefully, nod occasionally, give an "Ummm" or a "Hmmm?" or an, "Uh-huh" every once in awhile... and then go right back to saying what you were before... Well, let's just say I have managed to fool a great many people into thinking that, for a little while at least, I was willing to accept the premise of their argument. Most of 'em went away satisfied and with a very high opinion of me. I don't think any of it was actually warranted.
I'm also a person who has always LOVED being, or thinking that I was, right. I would give up everything I have to be wrong about certain things now, though, and that's no exaggeration.
I'm doing a lot of thinking these days, though... Probably more than at any other point in my life. Already I've reversed myself on literally dozens of previously held opinions... And a very few others have been reinforced, and strengthened, and even validated, in ways both beautiful and horrible.
Strange days, indeed.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
Disasters in general
Disasters in life tend to bring out the best and the worst. I am hoping the best shines through for our future and the future of our children. There are a lot of great minds out there.... and wonderful people. Lets all hope that science can catch up to this disaster, and that we take another long hard look at this energy source if we cannot control it from destroying the earth. Even if it is a financial burden.
Seconded, Anonymous...
...And, for what it's worth: Good post. Concise, hopeful, AND you didn't use ANY CAPS! (Heh.)
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
good morning!
good morning!
keep pretending. it works
keep pretending. it works for some people.
Rick, seriuosly, everytime I
Rick, seriuosly, everytime I see a post if yours I skip right over it. Concise and to the point beats long-winded ramblings.
Your attempts to get "in-depth" turn off people and do little to make your case.
As for the factul information, the EPA takes their sweet time to make any statement. Even if there was a serious situation, the EPA's master is the execuive branch, and as such any useful data would go to the president before you or I. What UCB is doing is great, I applaud their work and want to see it challenge the EPA at every turn. Only then will we know who is holding back info.
eat a banana, go to jail
sweet candycorn bejeezus... i also pass over your lukewarm contributions rick, the reasons are obvious. you are behaving much like a misinformed demonized member-elf, your destitute, comical ramblings, unfortunately tell a sad sad and ultimately comical tale. you do bend over backwards to pretend your statements have depth and meaning, when it is beyond obvious you are only her to coddle, limit and confuse, and only the opposite could possibly be considered to be close to the truth.
At least Rick has proper
At least Rick has proper control of grammar and form. Your posts are barely coherent literary train wrecks.
Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
eat a banana, go to jail
eat a banana, go to jail. that is the answer.
You forgot to capitalize the
You forgot to capitalize the E and T.
'Kay.
Please read what I posted earlier (below). Don't do me any favors by continuing to read what I write.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
eat a banana, go to jail
save the irrelevant, inglorious and mawkish girly-boy commentary for friends and family rick. do yourself a favor. i really don't care what you think, your concerntroll remarks are boorish, crude and comical.
...getin' a bit off the
...getin'
a bit off the subject.
Anonymous, seriously...
...If you don't want to read it, don't read it. I make it pretty easy to identify which posts are mine.
I don't need an editor, thanks. And I don't honestly care if anyone is "turned off", or "on", or whatever.
I have my reasons for posting here, as does everyone. I, for one, am happy to admit that there is a bizarrely therapeutic aspect to it for me. I have thoughts about this crisis; I have questions. There is no one else who is listening, no one who is responding. This is almost like an exceedingly secular form of prayer -- I'm asking questions and stating hopes and demanding clarification, hoping for an answer -- and an answer that I can both understand and take comfort it.
Please skip over my long-winded ramblings -- I don't want to waste anyone's time.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
Your a good guy Rick, and
Your a good guy Rick, and well spoken. You are setting a good example for alot of us coming to terms with all of this uncertainty. I just read an interesting article about how these are alot of people that log on and harass or troll just for the lol's. I'm glad you aren't letting these posts get under your skin. I look forward to any future commentary. Godbless.
Thanks!
I appreciate it. I'm honestly not looking for arguments OR acknowledgements... Except, from time to time, by the BRAWM staff, when I have a particular question.
I don't understand the mentality of people who are getting their "kicks" from this -- either by engaging in a sort of Extinction-Level-Event Munchausen's Syndrome, or by baiting the fearful and fractured, or by getting into pissing contests, flame wars or poo-hurling contests with like-minded fools or the unsuspecting. And then there are those who are eagerly seizing on this chance to impress people they don't know and will never meet.
I read a lot of apocalyptic and doomsday fiction, always have, and recently I've been thinking a lot about David Brin's "Earth", a superb work of speculative fiction dealing with the unintended consequences of someone intentionally creating an artificial singularity (black hole) that drops into the Earth's core and threatens the entire planet with total extinction. At some point, the not-so-random global seismic events and volcanic eruptions and magnetic-field riptides are no longer explicable as "normal", and with the global government either paralyzed or unwilling to own up to reality, and the general population descends into, well, madness. In this novel's vision of an alternate early-third-millennium humanity, something akin to the Internet attracts a great many disconnected and anonymous people, who seek out one another's company and comfort as the world begins to fall down around their ears. There are no egos; there is no contention for attention; there are no lies, not then. Just one great, rambling, inchoate family, trying to get in one final reunion before the end of all things.
...Naturally, the scientists, a handful of military personnel, and one or two particularly sincere political types save the day, mainly through clear communication, brutal honesty, and real personal sacrifice.
...Like I said, though: It's a work of fiction. (And not one I'm likely EVER to read again, though it had been one of my favorites... It's just too close to reality on the one hand, and unforgiveably far from it on the other.)
Anyway -- thanks. God bless you and yours, too, and us all.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
oh sweet candycorn bejeezus.
oh sweet candycorn bejeezus. eat a banana, go to jail. that is the answer.
but seriously rick.. you dancing in here and telling everyone how it is, how to act and how to format their questions is childish and absurd... but is that the end of it... no, of course not..
..now you slip back into concerntroll mode and then change up and pretend to be sincerely interesting only in information and relevant scientific data.
that is is childish and absurd. and no one here is buying it.
...ok troll i'll bite, are
...ok troll i'll bite, are you just a person w/way too much free time or?
and de whole box of chocolates...
but seriously rick the all caps words are a dead giveaway. and after that lousy justifications you have just provided, i will skip over your moot and tedious assertions. this ain't no pissing contest baby.
eat a banana, go to jail...
it means that they have detected dangerous radionuclides from the melting reactors and destroyed spent fuel rod pools at fukushima, here in the united states.
Wrong. The isotopes they are
Wrong. The isotopes they are detecting are not used in reactors. They most likely come from burning coal in China.
Now why don't you get a clue of GTFO. Your posts are nothing but fear mongering and idiotic ramblings. You douche.
eat a banana, go to jail...
they are detecting both U 234 and U 238. U 238 is a fission product of plutonium. it comes from depleted uranium, which gets turned into MOX fuel, which is waht was being used in some reactors at fukushima.
Nope, you've got it
Nope, you've got it backwards. U-238 precedes Pultonium that decays to U-235. U-238 is a natural element and comprises 70% of the reactor fuel by weight, because the U-238 is only enriched ~30%.
eat a banana, go to jail or eat de box of chocolates cont...
whatever. Depleted uranium (DU) is uranium primarily composed of the isotope uranium-238 (U-238).
it is one compnent of what is in mox fuel. at least 2 of the fukushima reactors had mox fuel in them.
Wow, every assertion in that
Wow, every assertion in that statement is wrong.
U-238 is enriched to U-235 to use in a reactor. Depleted Uranium is the leftover slag that couldn't be enriched and does
not go into a reactor.
MOX fuel is made from mixing unenriched Uranium and Plutonium. Again, DU is not in this process.
Only 1 Reactor (#3) at Fukushima had MOX (6% PU), and other reactors used enriched Uranium that accumulates Plutonium by natural fission at ~ less than 1%.
Your facts are all wrong and you are an idiot.
eat a banana, go to jail or johnny appleseed rocks cont...
MOX fuel
Mixed oxide fuel, commonly referred to as MOX fuel, is nuclear fuel that contains more than one oxide of fissile material. MOX fuel contains plutonium blended with natural uranium, reprocessed uranium, or depleted uranium. MOX fuel is an alternative to the low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel used in the light water reactors that predominate nuclear power generation. For example, a mixture of 7% plutonium and 93% uranium reacts similarly, although not identically, to LEU fuel.
and there is evidence that they were using MOX fuel in at least two of the reactors at Fukushima, and there was MOX fuel stored in at least one of the spent fuel rod pools at the fukushima daiichi site.
you're giving me the Talking Heads version of the events.. as we all know by now that is just flat out disinformation and dumbed down "redundant" rhetoric.
Did you have to go look that
Did you have to go look that up on Wiki all by yourself?
DU is not used in MOX unless there is no other choice. It lacks even natural levels of U-235 and that makes it a poor candidate for fuel.
Please show us where the MOX is at Fukushima since you have great first-hand knowledge of what's going on there.
eat a banana, go to jail
you are not worthy. rofl.
Couldn't see that one
Couldn't see that one coming. Kazoo, you've got another 5-10 years to even get to basic trolling.
Get off the boards.
eat a banana, go to jail...
more absurd nonsense i see.
anyway...
evidently DU is used in MOX fuel. and there was MOX fuel in at least one reactor at the site, there is evidence that MOX fuel was also used in one other reactor. and apparently there was alot of unused MOX fuel stored in at least on of the spent fuel rod pools. so you're wrong, or supremely misinformed on this issue.
have a nice day.
Exempli gratia? MOX was
Exempli gratia?
MOX was installed in reactor 3 and was the first such trial at Fukushima. Reactor 4 had been in maintenance preparing for possible use of MOX, but it is unclear if there was any else on site.
The refueling of reactor 3 happened around October of last year, so the fuel in reactor 3 is brand new.
Why don't you point me to your sources.
google it sweetheart, just
google it sweetheart, just like the rest of us.
Do You Expect Me to Talk?
eat a banana, go to jail continued...
tsk tsk. such marginal *crybaby* trollspew. grow a pair. baby.
Golden Kazoo, bananas,
Golden Kazoo, bananas, sounds like someone had to ride the short bus to school.
You ridicule and profess doom because you don't have the brains to understand what the grownups
are talking about.
Guess you have to feel superior somehow, since you can't do it in an intelligent way. Trolling people and making them scared. What a little wanker you are.