**Please comment on NILU plume forecast for April 6, 7**
See story from enenews.com here:
http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-radioactive-particles-concentrated-northwest-april-6-video
and original source from NILU here:
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH
Can someone at UCBNE please comment on the validity of this forecast which claims that CA can expect RAD levels equal to Japan in just a couple of days? Is the NILU a credible source? How can they make these predictions? If this is accurate, then why hasn't it been mentioned in any local news stories? If it is legit, then it sounds like a major point of concern that we need to prepare for. What are your opinions? And what do they mean by "* Although xenon is not toxic, its compounds are highly toxic — CRC handbook of chemistry?" I don't want to cause alarm but I just don't know what to make of stories and forecasts like this.
Thanks for the poster who
Thanks for the poster who found that disclaimer. I just posted a similar answer on another thread:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2400#comment-1289
Thanks for posting that
Thanks for posting that disclaimer. I didn't catch it before. Shame on Enenews for presenting it the way they did. That site, along with idealist.ws, will give you nightmares if you take it at face value.
You are welcome. Its funny
You are welcome. Its funny you know....I hear people saying that some of us are over reacting and panicking. But as for myself, I am very level headed and I assess all the information I check to see if it is from legitimate source. My opinion is then that they are under reacting and need to inform themselves instead of listening to only the information the govt wants presented. And do not forget who funds these schools. If they are told not to put certain info out there, they wont. And it is obvious that they are fielding questions for the EPA so they have been directed.
Sorry guys, students and professors but that is my opinion.
Also consider that if any of
Also consider that if any of these students plan on having a career in nuclear engineering they will be downplaying the dangers of their cash cow.
See http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2220
See Professor Chivers comments re conflicts of interest @ http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2220 -- should (hopefully) help allay your concerns...
WH
Submitted by dchivers on Thu, 2011-03-31 20:42.
Ok, here you go: We are funded primarily within our group by DHS for basic research of radiation detection systems that would be used to detect objects such as dirty bombs or materials that would be used to make dirty bombs. This research involves a great deal of work in trying to detect trace levels of radiation within a complex and varying natural radioactive environments. The nuclear engineering department does not act like a corporation so other professors are independent and are funded differently than us. There is not a chain of command here other than within our own groups.
As far as my previous work, I was a qualified naval nuclear reactor operator for 6 years prior to entering Berkeley. This gives me a unique perspective on how reactors operate and radiation in general as I have been qualified to work in high radiation areas since that time. Currently, I do not have any affiliation with DOD. I have also never been affiliated nor received any funding with any nuclear industry corporations such as GE, General Atomics, Westinghouse, etc.., I hope this clears things up.
Submitted by dchivers on Thu, 2011-03-31 20:50.
Also, most of our students are not bound for nuclear industry. Our students are geared towards research in the high energy physics, nuclear physics, medical imaging, and the national laboratories. There is absolutely no concern within our students that their research will be regarded as detrimental to their job prospects, just the opposite actually. We train our students to be able to understand at the greatest detail how to gain knowledge experimentally, and design optimal systems given the physics of a certain problem. We pride ourselves in our independence and we attract students that want to learn at a very high level and want to impact their world. This is a very special place and we would never let it be tainted by government or industrial intrusion.
Where is your evidence that
Where is your evidence that UCB is being directed by EPA or anybody else?
Let's not...
Let's not start questioning or impugning motives, now. There has been NO reason to suspect the UCB folks of anything other than intrepid, pro-active, forthright, highly informative, above-the-call-of-duty service to the public at-large. They still have a bureaucracy to run, paperwork to administer, budgets to submit and manager, classes to teach, research to perform, studies to complete, and careers to pursue. What they are providing to us, here, is the TRUEST form of "public service", and I can guarantee everyone a few things: One, they're not getting paid extra for this, nor will they be refusing an infusion of cash from their university. Two, they're probably not getting much in the way of support from the higher-ups, whether it be logistical, moral, or motivational. Three, they're concerned, just like we are, and they have to fit all this in within the context of (somewhat) normal lives, with family, friends, hobbies, interests, American Idol, and all the rest.
Another person posted something earlier that gave me a moment of pause: This Forum may be spiraling out of control. I am as much responsible for that as anyone, perhaps more so. I don't want to give anyone -- the university administration, for example -- reason to suspend or truncate this vital public service. Neither do I want the good folks at UCB to feel that they're unable to get their WORK done, for all the nonsense being promulgated here. This is too important, too rare, to jeopardize.
So I, for one, am going to be pulling back and I will try and limit my comments to specifics concerning the research they're doing and the results they post. I doubt they've "pulled back" from the Forum -- it was just last night that I had a pretty darned cool exchange with one of the Department members, and, anyway, it looks like they mainly post after business hours, probably during their "free" time [snort]. They just got past the weekend, they have many other responsibilities -- they wouldn't be nuclear engineers if they weren't terribly busy most of the time. They may take a little time to perform thorough, deliberate, conscientious work and reach accurate, verifiable, defensible conclusions. Matter of fact, I can guarantee this. There is nothing ominous in this "delay", other than they are taking the time required to ensure the information they provide is both complete and correct. I for one would rather they take that time, than rush to reach conclusions simply because we, impatient, spooked and self-absorbed that we are, demand it.
If I have something relevant to contribute, I will, you can count on it. I apologize again for contributing to the irrelevance, hysteria and baloney. It was not my intention.
In the meantime, if anyone wants to contact me, for any reason, please do so by using any of the different formats below.
Have a good evening, everyone. Keep praying and thinking good thoughts. I thank everyone for their contributions, questions, and criticisms.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
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RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
What they call a radioactive
What they call a radioactive plume is Xenon I think(?), and the way that they word that blog entry and interpretation of the map I think is misleading. I just posted the website above for the folks that actually created the map, and I think looking at the folks that originated the map and what it really means is more helpful than how the blog post interpreted the map. Go play around on that site to see what I mean.
The map in the blog is a reading of the waste products. Though probably not healthy, it's not what a "regular" person might think of when they hear radioactive plume. Most folks are probably thinking iodine, cesium, plutonium, etc.
I can't speak to the effects of the xenon though.
Correction
That should have read, "receiving", not "refusing", an infusion of cash. Naturally, I doubt they'd refuse it, either, but, that's NOT what I meant. [Grin]
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
www.facebook.com/lonestarplano
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575
Stop worrying.. The website
Stop worrying..
The website clearly states that
"ATTENTION: These products are HIGHLY UNCERTAIN based on limited information for the source terms. Please use with caution and understand that the values are likely to change once we obtain more information on the overall nature of the accident. The products should be considered informational and only indicate 'worst case scenario' releases. From what we've learned recently, it seems releases of this magnitude have not yet occurred. Furthermore, these modeling products are based on global meteorological data, which are too coarse to provide reliable details of the transport of the plume across Japan. "
Besides the forecast plume is in TOTAL AMOUNT instead of SURFACE AMOUNT. In other words, particulates in the atmosphere opposed to ground level.
Sorry. Put the wrong link to
Sorry. Put the wrong link to ewenews.com. Here's the correct one:
http://enenews.com/latest-forecast-shows-all-california-radiation-threat-april-6-7-video
Here is the original
Here is the original website:
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_I-131_;region=DMANC1
I think the other graphs help put this in better perspective.
I dont trust them. They have
I dont trust them. They have been releasing unsubstantiated information which has turned out to be incorrect several times
Zamg also has a very good
Zamg also has a very good simulation and they do a daily overview considering current conditions. You have to translate from German to Eng
another simulation of Cs-137
http://db.eurad.uni-koeln.de/prognose/data/alert/cs_hem_1h_movall_1.gif
Radioactive plume......
What they call a radioactive plume is Xenon I think(?), and the way that they word that blog entry and interpretation of the map I think is misleading. I just posted the website above for the folks that actually created the map, and I think looking at the folks that originated the map and what it really means is more helpful than how the blog post interpreted the map. Go play around on that site to see what I mean.
The map in the blog is a reading of the waste products. Though probably not healthy, it's not what a "regular" person might think of when they hear radioactive plume. Most folks are probably thinking iodine, cesium, plutonium, etc.
I can't speak to the effects of the xenon though.
Right now the main
Right now the main radioactive isotope is the Xenon 133. And that only happens right after a criticality has occurred. There are still the other rads they have mentioned and the xenon 133 turns in to Cesium 133.
Shame on you
There is to be very soon (next couple of weeks) a major catastrophic event: a massive explosion and ensuing release of radioactive materials, due to the core(s) and corium collecting at the bottom regaining criticality. SHAME ON YOU for joining in with the Japanese and US Governments in COVERING THIS UP. May the Almighty God be your judge for not assisting in getting the people of Japan off of this island.
What if you are wrong?
What if you are wrong?