More information on Plutonium and PuO2
I have posted some of these questions in a previous thread, but they may have gotten lost in the shuffle.
1. In your estimation, what amount of plutonium (or most likely Plutonium Oxide in our case) would be required for you to detect it in your current air / water samples?
2. Do you expect Pu or PoU2 to reach the US at all, or just not in levels that would be detectable?
Also, D.Chivers had mentioned while discussing the use of gamma ray signatures vs mass spectrometer measurements "If our colleagues here in the department think that testing for heavy metals in our atmosphere is necessary, we will find a way."
3. Why wouldn't it be necessary? Both from a scientific view and just the fact that Plutonium would be the most dangerous element from the fallout to be exposed to.
Also, if you could provide any further insight on the make up plutonium and PoU2, it would be greatly appreciated. My self along with most people probably lack a basic understanding of its properties in this situation.
Thank you again for taking the time to answer all of our questions.


brisbanetimes.com.au/environm
brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/fukushima-what-is-plutonium-and-what-are-the-dangers-20110330-1cfmb.html
Everybody here somehow
Everybody here somehow claims that Plutonium is much more dangerous than Cesium, but where are the data to back up this claim???
Please google Plutonium. It
Please google Plutonium. It will make your hair stick out.
Uranium and plutonium are the most deadlist and poisenest things there are.
If you inhalte either one you either get cancer or die. Depending on the dosage.
google Plutonium, half life 25 000 years, uranium half life 700 million years.
These seem to be important
These seem to be important questions. Can somebody please take a few minutes to answer them?
bottled spring water
First, thank you son much for what you're doing. I have been searching for answers to questions about the safety of our water given all of the rain we've been having.This is the only place that even addresses the issue! Some questions:
1. If we choose to drink bottled spring water until we feel better about tap water, do we need to be concerned with iodine levels in the spring water? These come from open water sources that are getting lots of rain as well. If they are bottled at the source there must be less dilution than tap water. Any thoughts? Which is better?
2. For those of us with children who have been getting soaked in the rains these past few weeks, is there any concern with the rain being absorbed through the skin? These kids are getting soaked and certainly aren't showering off when they come inside!
3. As a result of Chernobyl the French are now concerned that their government allowed their children to drink milk when it wasn't safe. Some are even suing the gov. for increases seen in thyroid cancer in children. How does the fallout found in France after Chernobyl compare w/what we're seeing here in California?
Thank you so much for your time!
I think the amount of
I think the amount of isotopes that fell out in France were quite small in comparison to the rest of Europe, so i wouldn't be surprised if what rained on CA in the last two weeks is an order of magnitude larger (given that the source term of Fukushima, i.e. total amount of emitted radioactive substances, is roughly the same as Chernobyl already). But that's just making a rough guess.
Feds admit radioactive
Feds admit radioactive xenon-133 from Fukushima detected TWO days ago in Washington State
The Environmental Protection Agency and the Energy Department said in a statement a radiation monitor in Sacramento, Calif., detected minuscule quantities of the radioactive isotope xenon-133. The readings validated similar ones from March 16 and 17 taken from monitors in Washington state, they said. …
http://enenews.com/feds-admit-radioactive-xenon-133-fukushima-detected-w...
In the first confirmation of radioactivity having reached the US mainland, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said the monitor in Sacramento had detected "miniscule quantities of the radioactive isotope
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/miniscule-radiation-detected-in-califo...
Just to address (3), we have
Just to address (3), we have colleagues that are monitoring the situation in Japan and keeping us informed here as to the "source term". This is to say that if they don't see it in Japan, we will most likely not see it here. From the germanium spectra we are getting from Japan, we only see iodine, cesium, tellurium, and xenon. We see all of these except xenon at this point. It is safe to say that if they do not detect it in Japan, we will not see it here. However, we are looking at all peaks and identifying them, so if we see something, then we will report it. Unfortunately, plutonium has a very small gamma-ray branching ratio and for us to see it would mean it would have to be in quite large concentration.
3 kinds of Cesium found in (Japan) water
Why would there be 3 kinds of Cesium in the water the tested after those workers stepped in it or whatever happened. I don't believe a word they say anymore and then to have our own government pull this stuff with the testing. We need reassurance right now and we are not getting it. My grandson is 4yrs old! What about him? What the children for Gods sake? Somebody needs to get us some solid facts here.
So they lied? Feds admit
So they lied?
Feds admit radioactive
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2011-03-26 06:34.
Feds admit radioactive xenon-133 from Fukushima detected TWO days ago in Washington State
The Environmental Protection Agency and the Energy Department said in a statement a radiation monitor in Sacramento, Calif., detected minuscule quantities of the radioactive isotope xenon-133. The readings validated similar ones from March 16 and 17 taken from monitors in Washington state, they said. …
http://enenews.com/feds-admit-radioactive-xenon-133-fukushima-detected-w...
In the first confirmation of radioactivity having reached the US mainland, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said the monitor in Sacramento had detected "miniscule quantities of the radioactive isotope
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/miniscule-radiation-detected-in-califo...
I guess real question is:
I guess real question is: Why wouldn't they being seeing it in Japan or here in the US if reactor 3 contained large amounts of it (as Reactor 3 appears to have suffered the most damage)?
Are we just not looking hard enough? Or is there something I just don't understand about its properties?
Not testing for it
Nuclear community is an ugly beast
Excerpt from www.idealist.ws
Excerpt from www.idealist.ws :
...Depending on circumstances, NAREL may
also perform any or all of the following laboratory analyses on individual air
filters:
high-resolution gamma-ray spectrometry (high-purity germanium) Pu-238 and Pu-239 (alpha-particle spectrometry) U-234, U-235, U-238 (alpha-particle spectrometry) Am-241 (alpha-particle spectrometry) Th-227, Th-228, Th-230, Th-232 (alpha-particle spectrometry) Sr-89 and Sr-90 (gas proportional counting)
...'Of the items on this list of laboratory analyses that the EPA *may* perform depending on circumstances, the
EPA has only moved forward on the first one. The EPA has not conducted the
second analysis - alpha spectroscopy for plutonium-239 in air. Apparently, the EPA believes that plutonium from Japan's reactor accident somehow disappeared from the Earth and only gamma-emitting radioactive solids
(radioiodines, radiocesiums and radiotelluriums) have arrived in U.S. air masses.
EPA has also not conducted the sixth
analysis on the list. Strontium-89 and -90 are pure beta-emitting radioisotopes that
are lighter than
cesium-137. Assuming also that these radiostrontiums do not mysteriously
vanish with plutonium from the Earth, because they are relatively light in
weight they are likely to be carried across the Pacific Ocean in greater
quantities than radioiodines and radiocesiums. If radiostroniums are present in U.S.
air, we don't know about it because the EPA has chosen to not test for it.
The
EPA has placed no priority on performing a full suite of laboratory analyses on the air
that is affecting Americans - and also our friends in U.S. territories.
There is no excuse for this. The first detected
levels of non-gaseous fission products from the plumes from Fukushima were found on
filters removed from RADNET stations on March 18 and it appears that if the EPA
wanted to run all analyses on the above list on those filters we would have
that data by now: 'Turnaround
times for alpha-particle spectrometry, and liquid scintillation counting may be
as short as one or two days in an emergency. Strontium-90 analysis requires more
time, because a delay of several days is needed to allow the decay product Y-90
to build up before counting begins.' [p.71]
Radiostrontiums and plutonium
isotopes are very poisonous substances and pose greater long-term health dangers than
cesium-137. Strontium-89, a pure beta emitter, is likely be present in dairy
products in Japan and the U.S. If the EPA has already conducted
the various analyses mentioned, why don't they make this data available? Are
they withholding this data?
It should also be noted that the EPA made
the decision to not upgrade its RADNET air monitoring network to include onsite-spectroscopy
for analysis of alpha
and beta radiation or continuous alpha and beta spectrometry. We are
paying for that poor decision right now. This capability, which is in use by the CTBTO,
means that monitoring stations can run the isotope analyses (1-6) remotely and
relatively quickly.
[B]Time to get angry[/b]
As unknown quanitities of largely unknown radioactive substances migrate across North America from the Fukushima releases, the EPA is responding by dragging its feet,
downplaying radiation risks, obfuscating beta and alpha particle concerns, and
demonstrating utter lack of concern for public health.
The EPA is pretending that the contaminated air masses from Japan will simply blow right past the
U.S. and will not harm a thing or incorporate into a single life form. The fact of the matter
is the EPA is alone and sleeping in the air traffic control tower
of America's environment. This is our only environment and our environment is inextricably bound to our livelihoods and our lifestyles. When we are left to fly blindly, we are a nation in crisis. As we learn to
resourcefully navigate our way without the help of our missing-in-action environmental agency, we must realize that the power loaned to the government was loaned
by us, and we have the tools to heal or amputate the diseased institutions of our elected democracy.
Links please, not content.
Could you please just post the link to the articles, and not copy/paste them in? Thank you.
EPA's lack of data release
the ONLY reason for any commission to downplay or withhold information is because the MoneyMan is telling them to. I hope they can sleep at night. You'd think a west coast employee would blow the whistle
I am very concerned about
I am very concerned about Japan and even the US now. Nobody is talking about this. UC Berkeley doesn't have the equipment to measure small amounts of plutonium which can be very dangerous. The EPA had released any data since Tuesday!?!?
hasn't**
hasn't**
Maybe we can use the Freedom
Maybe we can use the Freedom of Information Act to bring the data EPA is withholding under the day light? Who knows how to do it?
I contacted the EPA a few
I contacted the EPA a few days ago and was told by one of their project managers that data about precipitation and drinking water and was told that such information is generally not released to the public but goes to the federal government (DOE) for their assessment. I agree there should be more pressure for transparency of the DOE when it comes to these data. If anybody has an idea what to do (who to contact) please post it here and I (and many others I know) will be on board.
FOIA Requests
I'm an attorney and would consider helping draft the FOIA requests. Happy to discuss via email (ports98 at yahoo dot com).
Also thinking of starting a small organization to ensure Californians get accurate information in the coming months (and years if necessary). Pacific Radiation Monitoring Society or something like that...
Thoughts?
FOIA Requests
I'm an attorney and would consider helping draft the FOIA requests. Happy to discuss via email (ports98 at yahoo dot com).
Also thinking of starting a small organization to ensure Californians get accurate information in the coming months (and years if necessary). Pacific Radiation Monitoring Society or something like that...
Thoughts?
Yes yes yes
I have submitted a FOIA request for any and all data in any/all formats testing or readings are acquired by EPA collected on radiation levels for entire state of Calif from Nov 2010-present 3 days ago. They have 20days but I bet they will drag it out by legally permitted extension rules.
I have been compiling data, screen shots, and everything that can help prove the negligence. If you are interested in talking with me you may contact me at tinassecret1@inbox.com.
@Tinasecret1, Is there a
@Tinasecret1,
Is there a site where you will post these results once you get them? I think we are all anxious to see the results.
http://www.epa.gov/foia/
http://www.epa.gov/foia/
I'm all for it.
I'm all for it. Unfortunately even if the FOIA go through, by the time we get the data it will be too late. Better than nothing though I guess.
Watch
Watch this:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Chernob
What they are not telling U.S.A.Plutonium xenon 133 Monitors
Everyone here at this Nuclear forum seems more concerned about what they are not telling us than what the facts are.The radioactive isotope, Xenon,is deadly gamma radiation. It can and is being monitored remotely because it is that deadly. One trillionth of a gram is a curie. 10 curies or 10/trillionths of a gram is a deadly dose of Xenon from Plutonium which was released when the # 3 and # 4 reactors in Japan exploded last month.Bayer aspirin makes 81 mg. tablets of medicine. A milligram is one thousandths of a gram,so there are 81 mg. in their medicine. The tablet is tiny, but one trillionth of a gram is even tinier.
With this in mind google PNNL which is a Pacific Laboratory that makes the monitoring equipment for measuring remotely the Radioactive Isotope in Plutonium Xenon particles.There are 80 monitoring stations worldwide and these monitors are designed to alert when this element is detected by special equipment sent to computers linked to their stations. NASA is where the data goes once collected and the monitors are so expensive only Nuclear facilities can afford them.Now when we hear that radiation is being detected here in the U.S.A. in minuscule amounts do they mean these xenon particles? If so than I do not think Potassium Iodide will protect us from this type bombardment of radiation.Very minuscule amounts are deadly and my hope is to get the information released to the public from these nuclear monitoring sites that have the equipment and ability to tell us the truth about what they are detecting. Our lives depend on this now more than ever.
Any thoughts on how to get this information released?
My God...
This is a nightmare. Every day brings more horror.
Can it be that we are simply going to IGNORANCE ourselves into extinction?
I am honestly despairing right now. I have never felt so fatalistic.
Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
www.facebook.com/lonestarplano