You load 300 tons, and what do you get...
... no damage when you drop it??? RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT...
http://enenews.com/reactor-vessel-slips-railroad-track-nuclear-plant-photo
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... no damage when you drop it??? RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT...
http://enenews.com/reactor-vessel-slips-railroad-track-nuclear-plant-photo
The 300 Ton Water Heater Odyssey Doth Continue...
See http://enenews.com/report-news-reactor-vessel-fell-train-kept-secret-alm...
Professor Farnsworth
Seriously. Fell off a train.
Nuclear train wreck Seriously. Fell off a train.
A literal blank check.
http://www.connectsavannah.com/news/article/108071/
By Jim Morekis January 15, 2013 jim@connectsavannah.com| 912-721-4384
A COUPLE OF YEARS ago you purchased, among other things, a 300-ton reactor pressure vessel made in South Korea. I say you bought it because you did. In an unprecedented deal enabled by a compliant Public Service Commission and the Republican majority in the state legislature in 2010, Georgia Power was able to secure advance payment for the entire Vogtle expansion in the form of increased rates from its customers.
Despite whatever rhetoric you've heard about the American way, hardy capitalists bearing financial risk, etc., in this case Georgia Power, its lobbyists, and the politicians they influence essentially transferred all risk for the estimated $14 billion Vogtle expansion, present and future, to the public. A literal blank check.
Fast forward to Dec. 15, 2012, when the 300-ton reactor vessel you bought more or less fell off a train. Seriously. Fell off a train. So where is your reactor vessel now? You should know, since you're paying for it. A month after the train accident, the reactor vessel -- as the accompanying photo indicates -- apparently sits near the port of Savannah, the so-called misalignment having been rectified at least enough for the train to limp back to its starting point. The vessel seems to be partially open to the elements and not under serious guard against tampering.
Georgia Power is far from the only government-sanctioned monopoly in America, and far from the only operator of nuclear energy plants. But it's hard to conclude anything other than its customers seem to be paying for one of the most expensive train wrecks in the world, both literally and figuratively.
WHAM
Wham!
Looks like that puppy might have WHAMMED into those trees in the pictures. Wouldn't be too surprised it that sideways load knocked into a LOT of stuff, B4 they shut that train down.
I am sure glad that busted POS is not headed in my direction.
It is not so much the BIG TANK that is worrysome. The little pipes, valves and connections can get warped when they hit a bridge or a train on a nearby track.
Say, isn't that a typical part of a NPP meltdown. The MOX or UOX comes GUSHING out the little pipes. Seems like I read about that after all those Fukushima meltdowns happened,
Every NPP that was running blew up and several OTHER bad things happened at FDU units 4 -6. But the newspapers don't say much about it for some reason.
Japs are dying like flies over there, kind of like WWII. But ... Mums the Word. "What they don't know, can't hurt them" ... or so the old timers at TEPCO and GE used to say. Might not be true, because they laughed and winked when they said it. At least, it is somewhere else and Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY).
Bubba’s Body Shop
Just drive it over to Bubba’s Body Shop.
A little quick body work, some Bondo and a dab of paint and she’ll shine like new. The customer will never see that little ‘Whiskey Dent’ in the left front fender. Bubba is ALWAYS the low bidder.
What they don’t know can’t hurt them … he haw, snicker, hah.
Stop it! I can’t breathe. You NPP clowns are killing me.
Fukushima
Remind me again,
Which of the FAILED reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi NPP did Toshiba build? It slips my mind, but everything there was WAY underbuilt and WAY underspecified. WHY are those TURKEYS even allowed IN the USA?
Slipshod business that NPP industry.
Not very trustworthy. Weak on science, engineering, construction and operational procedures.
Outta shut them ALL down. To dangerous.
Poor Reading Comprehension
The above poster states the vessel was "dropped".
The story says no such thing. It says the vessel became "misaligned" on the railcar.
That is, the vessel on its transport bracing rotated "sideways" so that it was no longer facing forward, aligned with the tracks.
The article also states that the vessel was undamaged.
The vessel is very strong, and it wasn't dropped, it didn't hit anything. It became misaligned, and they stopped the train to fix it.
To say this is making a mountain out of a molehill is an understatement.
The Fairy Dust Patrol is on the scene, I see...
and as quick as you are, and as quick as the "no damage" spokesman was, you can't hide the fact that the vessel was returned to the Port of Savannah after it was "realigned". You may want to peruse the larger photo at:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/metro/2013-01-10/vogtle-reactor-vessel...
Professor Farnsworth
No change!
I actually viewed the larger photo before posting.
I see no problem here. They obviously have to redo the restraints to ensure this doesn't happen again. The train was closer to Savannah than the reactor site; so they returned to Savannah rather than leaving it to block the railroad.
In a short time, when the restraint issue is resolved, this vessel will be transported to the Vogtle site. Why don't we wait until the final resolution before we make unsubstantiated statements? However, that's not the anti-nukes "MO". They have to attempt to scare people with unsubstantiated innuendo.
Why don't you take a look at that photo, and remember that vessel is several inches thick of solid steel. What type of damage do you "think" was done?
Again, this is making a mountain out of a molehill.
If I could only see through steel...
... but alas, I'll have to be content with seeing through articles and posts. If the vessel was on its way from the port in Savannah to the Plant Vogle reactor site AND there was no damage, WHY would they bring it back to Savannah instead of delivering it to the reactor site after they had "realigned" it? And consider this doublespeak gem from the linked article:
"There was no damage to the reactor vessel or to the rail car, Williams said, and the incident will not result in delays.
Plant Vogtle is undergoing a $14 billion expansion that involves building two new Westinghouse AP-1000 reactors.
The new units were scheduled to go into service in 2016 and 2017, but contractors have said they could be delayed by a year or more. Williams said work is being done with contractors to determine a date."
Let me guess - this incident will not result in delays because there are already other delays?
Professor Farnsworth
Westinghouse
The name Westinghouse, sounds so American. The company was founded by George Westinghouse at about the turn of the 20th century.
But then a few years ago, the 'Westinghouse' power group became Siemens AG of Germany. Siemens is primarily famous as a WWII War Criminal and, more recently as a prime supplier to the Pakistan, Libya, Iraq & Iran clandestine nuclear weapon programs. Siemens is also the source of the most unreliable PLC controllers on Planet Earth, due to the Stuxnet virus.
Siemens sold their (Westinghouse} nuclear related businesses to French and Japanese firms, following the 311 multiple nuclear meltdowns in Japan.
Westinghouse is a foreign owned 'Front', feeding at the trough of the national government, corporate welfare state.
WRONG!!!
Siemens AG didn't buy all of Westinghouse.
In the 1990s, Westinghouse divisions were sold off "piecemeal".
The nuclear power portion of Westinghouse wasn't sold to Siemens; it was sold to BNFL - British Nuclear Fuels Limited and later sold to Toshiba:
http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Our_Company/history/Timeline/1980_199...
http://www.westinghousenuclear.com/Our_Company/history/Timeline/2000_200...
1997:
Westinghouse puts remaining industrial divisions up for sale; becomes CBS Corp.
1999:
BNFL plc acquires commercial nuclear power businesses of CBS, now known as the Westinghouse Electric Company.
2006:
Toshiba Corp. and its partners, The Shaw Group and IHI, acquire Westinghouse from BNFL.
Westinghouse Nuclear Power is part of Toshiba - NOT the German Siemens.
Last Year
Siemens PAID (French) AREVA to TAKE the remnants of the Siemens Nuclear business.
Might have been about $1.6B or thereabouts, if memory serves.
AREVA is peddling MOX, to all takers. Dangerous stuff, that MOX. We don't need any of that MOX in these corroded old USA reactors. Way too deadly dangerous for commercial electrical power generation applications.
Siemens Nuclear
The Siemens Nuclear division began when Siemens acquired a German company called "Kraftwerk Union". Kraftwerk Union is responsible for the design / construction of all German reactors.
It wasn't Westinghouse that Siemens acquired to get into the nuclear business; it was Kraftwerk Union.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Siemens_quits_the_nuclear_game_19091...
Siemens is one of the world's major firms in the energy sector and played a front-running role in the growing nuclear field of the 1970s and 1980s. The Kraftwerk Union technology - counted as part of Siemens - makes up the entire German nuclear fleet, while reactors were also exported to Argentina (Atucha 2), the Netherlands (Borssele), Switzerland (Goesgen), Spain (Trillo 1).
Siemens Sabotage, Malware & Defects
Siemens Sabotage, Malware & Defects
It is sometimes difficult to discern the fine line between Siemens defective products and Siemens deliberate acts of sabotage. Siemens inherent software defects, Stuxnet virus related failures and willful industrial sabotage have caused a pandemic of system failures and new product stillbirths in the USA and abroad.
Presently the Keystone Pipeline is highest profile USA project which can be expected to spectacularly fail due to the Siemens ‘kiss of death’. The Canadian Alberta Tar Sands refining operations are similarly doomed, and for the same reason. But that is Canada’s problem and not our concern.
Even More Siemens Nuclear Sabotage
Nuclear Iran has THOUSANDS of Siemens centrifuges, as does Nuclear Pakistan.
Siemens denies … everything. Oh and yes, Siemens HAS willfully sabotaged some projects that I worked on. So in this case, personal experience indicates Siemens IS likely sabotaging and lying about the sales as well as the sabotage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/world/middleeast/iran-says-siemens-tri... By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: September 22, 2012
Iran Says Nuclear Equipment Was Sabotaged
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran on Saturday accused the German technology company Siemens of planting tiny explosives inside equipment Iran bought for its disputed nuclear program, a charge Siemens denied.
Aladdin Boroujerdi, a prominent lawmaker, said Iranian security experts discovered the explosives and removed them before detonation. The authorities believe that the booby-trapped equipment was sold to derail uranium enrichment efforts, he said. Mr. Boroujerdi did not say when or how Iran had obtained Siemens equipment. Despite a wide array of international sanctions, Germany remains one of Iran’s most important trading partners.
Fereydoon Abbasi, Iran’s most senior nuclear energy official, said on Monday that separate explosions — which he attributed to sabotage — had cut power supplies to Iran’s two main enrichment facilities.
Dud
The FAILED Siemens sabotage explosive devices are consistent with the Siemens track record.
The Siemens pyrotechnics are abject failures. The Siemens Bombs were all duds. The Siemens bombs 'bombed'.
Falling down, LOLROF, and gasping for breath.
You could NOT make this stuff.
WRONG!!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!
Where do you think MOX comes from?
MOX is created in reactors. Even if you don't put any MOX in the reactor; just Uranium; the reactor makes Plutonium and fission products. The spent fuel therefore is Uranium, Plutonium, and fission products. The reactor runs just fine with this mix in the reactor.
Now take the spent fuel with Uranium, Plutonium, and fission products out of the reactor; and take out the fission products. Now you just have Uranium and Plutonium. Guess what - that's MOX!!!!
So MOX is stuff that was already in the reactor, with fission products REMOVED.
It was OK the first time through the reactor, you take out some waste fission products, and somehow it becomes dangerous?
Recycling MOX is the way to reduce the longevity of nuclear waste because you end up burning long-lived Plutonium. If you recycle MOX, the longest lived component of the waste will have a drastically reduced lifetime.
Read the following interview with nuclear physicist Dr. Charles Till, formerly of Argonne National Lab:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html
Q: And you repeat the process.
A: Eventually, what happens is that you wind up with only fission products, that the waste is only fission products that have, most have lives of hours, days, months, some a few tens of years. There are a few very long-lived ones that are not very radioactive.
Anti-nukes don't like MOX because it solves the nuclear waste "problem"; and they sure don't want that!
Rude Dog
This is that Gawdamned Rude Dog again.
You are ONE seriously Broken Record.
Why don't you switch some sentences or words around? It would be less boring.
Nothing can go wrong, SCRATCH go wrong go wrong go wrong ...
I repeat it until you learn it...
Repetition is how you learn.
Evidently you've seen this information before; but then you tell the same old LIES as if you've never heard it.
When you stop telling LIES when you've been given good scientific information to the contrarry; i.e. when you've learned your lesson; then and only then can I stop repeating.
I just wonder how long it takes you to learn.
My cats learn faster than you do. Of course, cats are intelligent animals.
Dangerous
Rude Dog,
You vapid POS;
We KNOW the physics, math and models as well as the distortions, lies, misrepresentations, diddled data and DANGERS.
Take your lying self thefck home, to your Mama's basement.
We AIN'T buyin ... whatcher sellin
Go knock on somebody elses door, with your halfassed, overpriced, defective, TRAIN WRECK of a NPP.
We do NOT want any more of the nastyarse sunsabeeches.
And we ferdamsure DON'T want a MOX supercharged model with a bent front-left fender. Unscrew the lid and dump that TRAIN WRECK into the Atlantic as a SCUBA diving tourist trap and artificial reef fish habitat.
Tonight that reactor should 'sleep with the fish'.
BROTHER!!!
It's obvious that the restraints are insufficient - the vessel rotated.
They aren't going to leave it where it stopped - that blocks the tracks.
So they are going to move it. They either have to go back to Savannah or to the Vogtle plant site.
However, once it has been realigned, that doesn't solve the issue of deficient restraints.
So where do you move it to? This happened just a few miles from Savannah.
So do you move it many, many miles, all the way to the Vogtle site - with insufficient restraits?
Or do you move it only a few miles with unreliable restraints, back to Savannah.
Prudence dictates that you move it the shorter distance - back to Savannah - with the unreliable restraints.
Then you fix the problem in Savannah, and only start the long journey to Vogtle when you have fixed the restraint problem.
They are being prudent in moving it as little as possible with the unreliable restraints; but the anti-nukes find a way to turn that into a negative.
This is a strong metal part. The vessel has to be able to take a pressure of 2200 lbs per square inch over every square inch of its surface.
From the photo - the blue "Saran wrap" covering of the vessel wasn't even damaged. What do you "think" happened to the vessel?