Will a Geiger counter do anything for me in Tokyo?
Thank you all in advance for reading and giving me your unbiased advice. I've been overwhelmed by extremist opinions on both sides of the issue while searching, mostly unsuccessfully, for scientifically based advice.
I work for a Japanese company based in Tokyo, Japan though I live in the US. I commute frequently to Tokyo for several weeks at a time. The company would like to start bringing me out for extended stays (several months) and has offered to bring my family as well. My wife and I are currently trying for another child and we have a 2 year old son.
Reports have been all over the map on the severity of radioactive contamination in the Tokyo area. Some sources claim it's not much higher than normal, others state it's off the charts.
My Question:
I'll be in Tokyo for 5 weeks in Nov/Dec. Would carrying a Geiger counter with me give me any empirical data that I could use to decide if it's safe to bring my family out for 1-3 months at a time?
This is the unit I'm looking at:
http://www.amazon.com/Radiation-Alert-INSPECTORXTREME-Microprocessor-Bas...
Follow-ups:
What will carrying this around teach me?
How can I use the data I gain to help distance/shield myself and my family?
Will this help me make an educated decision about elongated stays?


I have seen a few comments by
I have seen a few comments by people saying they arrived in Japan with Geiger counters only to have them confiscated while still at the airport! There were suggestions to keep them well buried in your luggage and make no reference to them except you must state, if asked, that it is for your personal use and not for sale or gifting.
Speed Dating
Radiation & Dosage Checking devices, if discouraged by government, may be a social Status Symbol.
Always useful for making friends in new places.
Beyond personal safety considerations.
Not familiar with the dating scene in Japan.
Might be a plus.
You can check Safecast's blog
You can check Safecast's blog and data (they have some cool maps, though they are a bit clunky): http://blog.safecast.org/ They seem to be using Medcom's devices: http://medcom.com/
By the way, in one of your posts you mentioned cleaning and peeling vegetables as a way of reducing contamination. I don't think this would be effective. Whatever contamination present in the food right now is not a result of direct fallout, but rather isotopes incorporated into tissue after being absorbed through the roots of vegetables and fruit trees growing in contaminated soil or into meat from animals eating contaminated feed or grass. Cleaning and peeling vegetables is common sense anyway, but from a a radiation protection standpoint, its effect would be very limited.
Another thing, no geiger counter would be able to tell you if food is contaminated at this point. You need other equipment to measure that.
I must add that in Tokyo you would have all kinds of imported food, since more than 50% of the Japanese food supply is imported to begin with, but you will need to learn enough Japanese to be able to read the labels at the supermarket.
There's so much good information at Safecast!
There's so much good information at Safecast!
Thanks for sharing. I didn't realize the medcom devices they're using were avail through Amazon, looking at those now.
Safecast has got data on the location of my office as well as the district where I'll be staying, this is very reassuring. I'm still going to purchase a unit to take detailed measurements of where I'm staying and my office environment, but having all this extra data is just great :)
RE Food: Fortunately it's very easy in Japan to tell where food was produced, especially in the aftermath of the disaster. Grocers have been diligent in ordering and labeling and, as you stated, a large amount of the food in Japan comes from outside the country.
You are absolutely correct that cleaning/peeling veg will do little to reduce contaminates absorbed from soil. The greater concern is veg trucked across country. This is just common sense even when there's not fallout ;)
There are facilities around Tokyo with the appropriate instruments that will check for radiation in your groceries for about $40 USD. Sadly, if they find any you just lost your shopping.
There's also a network setup by concerned parents called Mamorukai that registers local groups focused on protecting children from radiation. They've got everything from radiation monitoring to grocers who's primary focus is buying "safe." You need to read quite a bit of Japanese to navigate this but most of the people I've met involved speak English and are more than willing to help:
http://kodomozenkoku.com/network.html
iRad
If you're looking for a user-friendly meter, I would recommend checking out this product:
http://creativeelectron.com/store/7130499/irad-geiger-for-apple
It's a small geiger tube that attaches to your smart phone (I believe there is a separate product for apple vs. android). The app comes free and allows you to not only see your own results, but everyone else sharing them with that app, which helps you make more sense of the numbers you're seeing.
Disclaimer: I don't own a smart phone, but I have tried it out recently.
Tim [BRAWM Team Member]
Cool Device!
Thanks for pointing this out Tim.
I'm most interested in the software and data linking they're providing, but sadly they've got a two week minimum backlog on the tubes and I'm leaving in just over a week.
I'm going to give them a ring on monday and see if they don't offer direct sales with a shorter turn-around. Otherwise I'll be going with one of the first responder models from SE International, probably this model http://www.amazon.com/Radiation-Alert-INSPECTORXTREME-Microprocessor-Bas...
If I get some more info from iRad when I call I'll be sure to post it here :)
THANK YOU!
Thank you all so much for your comments/advice!
Trying to find objective commentary on this situation has proved almost impossible. The JPN govt definitely has an agenda but then so do most anti-nuclear leaning researchers. I feel that taking matters into my own hands is the only way to go here.
With the understanding that I wont be able to tell the types of isotopes I encounter and that, in such a big city, there's a lot of background radiation; here are the measurements I think will help me the most. I'd love some feedback!
Measurements:
A couple days at various places in my hotel/apt
A day in front hotel/apt forced air cooling/heating
Daily commute to work and back, dropping data after each trip.
A couple days at various places around my desk/office
Several hours in frequented locations (park, arcade, coffee shops, etc)
Measurements of fresh food from grocery store
Questions on measuring food:
Is this possible? There's some debate here about whether or not it's accurate with a simple Geiger counter. Also, knowing that washing/peeling fruits and veg can dramatically reduce contaminants makes me question whether these measurements would even be necessary.
I think that is a good
I think that is a good strategy.
I also agree with you, it is rather difficult to test food with a geiger counter though if you have the detector then you would at least be able to confirm that the food you eat isn't seriously contaminated.
During the Chernobyl disaster the Eastern block governments stressed the importance of washing all fruits and vegetables, washing your windows regularly, etc. It is very good practice and possibly the best advice to protect yourself from radiation and non-radiation related contaminants. Food will of course absorb radioactive isotopes through the soil but that tends not to be as dangerous as the much larger alpha emitting particles that settle on the surface. Alpha particles are more hazardous to consume than gamma and beta emitting particles. But in general it is easier to protect yourself from them by simple washing food and not letting dust collect around the house.
I think between the simple mitigation strategies and the environmental testing, you will have all the bases covered to remain safe during your stay.
Thanks again
I'm hoping to collect some good data to share. I'm tired of reading the reactionary comment from both sides of the aisle and I know there are lots of people out there that feel the same way. Hopefully we can finally get some pure data into the mix and let the science speak :)
Yes
If you are concerned about the levels of radiation in Japan then the Geiger counter will help you get an idea of those levels. This unit is effective at detecting Cesium-134 and Cesium-137 which are the contaminants that are still affecting the Fukushima area.
It is important to note that this will not tell you what isotopes you are looking at; this unit will not be able to distinguish between naturally occurring radiation (Potassium, and the Uranium, Thorium, and Actinium series) and the Fukushima related radiation. It is rather unlikely that you would find dangerous levels of contamination anywhere in Tokyo but for peace of mind it is certainly good to check when you are there.
The detector will come with a guide that indicates the range of normal background, so even without the distinction between natural and man-made radiation you would still get useful data regarding your exposure.
You can use the detector to look at the food products you buy or the locations you often go to. But keep the limitations of this detector in mind. If you are downtown in between skyscrapers you will get a reading that may be several times higher than in a park a block away. It doesn't mean the elevated level has anything to do with nuclear fallout, it just shows how certain materials are naturally more radioactive than others.
Having a detector should help you decide if it is ok to take elongated stays with your family. In 5 weeks you would have a good idea of your daily exposure.
Spend some time carrying it
Spend some time carrying it around your home town so you'll have a reference to compare your readings in Japan to. Otherwise you'll just freak out when you discover that everything and everywhere is radioactive.
Sorry, Misspost
Sorry, I posted that Thank You above your comments.
Still, thank you!