Will BRAWM be conducting further tests?
I'm curious if you intend to conduct further testing of milk or other products in the future. I've relied upon your data to make informed decisions regarding what to and what not to feed my children for the past year. FYI, we have access to milk and cheese from New Zealand and Australia, so my family is not going without, however there are other dairy products not easily obtainable here in the Southern Hemisphere which I would like to return to our menu.
Also, since it has been stated repeatedly that BRAWM team members have not changed their diets at all in response to the low level contamination, would a BRAWM team member be willing to volunteer and have their, ahem, by-products tested? This would be incredibly valuable information for all of us who have been following this saga since 3/11. Please, prove that I truly am the nutcase most of my friends think I am.
My family and I much appreciate the data you have provided so far.
Don't need to test "by-products"
You don't need to test the "by-products". BRAWM has already showed that the degree of radioactive contamination from Fukushima is far below the natural background. Mother Nature is exposing you to far, far more radiation than Fukushima has, and has been doing that for as long as there have been people and animals on this planet.
If you know that essentially nothing is going in; you don't need to test by-products.
"Mother Nature is exposing you to far, far more radiation" ????
Say wha???
You mean I breathe in radiaoactive Iodine and Cesium and Plutonium normally every day?? You mean its in the foods people have been eating since way back when they were swinging in the tree branches?
Oh Yeah??
Strange but I thought those things were the gifts of modern nuclear science and weren't found in our environment NORMALLY.
Dream on, dupe!
Of course there was radioactivity way back when...
Of course you are ingesting radioactive material. Mankind has been ingesting radioactive material with our food for as long as Mankind has existed.
Evidently we have another person that "thinks" radioactivity was invented by Man in 1945. Evidently they missed that day in elementary school science class when they taught about Carbon-14 dating.
The reason we know the age of the ancient Egyptians and others so precisely is due to Carbon-14 dating. Those ancient peoples were ingesting the NATURAL radioactivity that Mother Nature exposes us to. One of those radioactive substances is Carbon-14 which builds up to an equilibrium level in your body. When you die, there's no more Carbon-14 intake, and the level in the dead body decays with the half-life of Carbon-14. By measuring the radioactivity of Carbon-14 in the dead body, we know how far down the decay curve the level is, and hence how long it has been since the person died.
BRAWM has discussed the natural radioactivity due to Potassium-40 and the natural radioactivity due to radon which some "amateur radiochemists" mistook for radioactivity from Fukushima.
Yes - Mother Nature is responsible for the bulk of the average person's radiation exposure:
http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm
The above poster just demonstrates what we've seen time and again here. The anti-nukes are a bunch of stupid idiots that are manifestly ignorant of the science.
The poster above evidently didn't think that radioactivity was in the food when Mankind was swinging in the trees. That's the reason for the mocking statement above.
Evidently the above poster doesn't realize the jokes is on him/her. I hope the above poster learns some science from this; but judging from past experience, I doubt it.
WOW!
I Thought the status of Fukashima is constantly changing because of the tight lip nature of the japanese government. The reactors continue to leak radiation which should warrant constant monitoring. Did we not get the press release stating that there was hardly any water in reactor #2's containment vessel? To compare mother nature to a man made event is like comparing a lighting strike to a homicide. I would assume that scientist are salivating at a chance to monitor the results of this event.
What BRAWM has to say...
With regard to comparing the man-made Fukushima event to Mother Nature's natural radioactivity:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/6201#comment-23832
Hi, I am a member of the Berkeley team that has made measurements in the Bay Area of the fallout from Fukushima. Only trace amounts of radioactivity arrived on the West Coast due to releases from the Fukushima reactors. We were able to see these traces, but it required the use of very sensitive and expensive detectors to detect them — the problem is being able to see the tiny increases above the naturally occurring radioactive background that we are constantly exposed to.
As far as the reactors "continuing to leak radiation":
For rain, we performed measurements and the results are here. There were trace amounts of radioisotopes from Fukushima present in rainwater from mid-March to mid-April, but in the handful of rains we have had since then we have not seen any radioisotopes from Fukushima. Our most recent rain measurement was in November, and it was also clear.
and at:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/6201#comment-23936
However, after the major releases were done occurring in late March, the jet stream had less and less of an effect. Presently, any releases from the reactors are so small that not even the jet stream would bring any appreciable amount over the ocean.
As far as the concern over a "collapse" of the plant:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/6362#comment-24746
Another part of the answer to this question is that the pool has been reinforced. The pool survived the natural disasters and hydrogen explosions intact, and then steel reinforcements were added in June 2011 to support the bottom of the pool to provide extra safety in case of another earthquake. They are also in the process of adding a cover to Unit 4 to prevent any releases from occurring. An article explaining what they are working on at Unit 4 right now can be found here: World Nuclear News: "Fukushima fuel removal buildings".
with the following additional links:
*INPO Special Report on the Nuclear Accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/safetyandsecurity/r...
**American Nuclear Society Special Committee Report on Fukushima, Appendix G
http://fukushima.ans.org/inc/Fukushima_Appendix_G.pdf
Scientists are not salivating to monitor results, because as stated above, there's not much (if anything) to see.
and who are you?
Thanks for the rehash of what BRAWM has said in the past. I've read it before, most who follow this forumhave as well. What does BRAWM have to say NOW?
The spent fuel pool at Unit 4 is on the verge of collapse, it has been proven that humans are bio-accumulating Cesium, the Governor of Fukushima has just made an apology for "deleting" information regarding the spread of fallout immediately after the disaster, milk in California is still contaminated, etc, etc.
What does BRAWM have to say?
Agreed!
Not to mention the tumors that are aready showing up in japanese children.
BALONEY!!
Sorry - but you must be gullible enough to be listening to the propagandists.
It takes YEARS for radiation-induced cancers to show up as tumors. We shouldn't be expecting to see cancers and tumors from Fukushima at this early date.
However, that doesn't stop the fear-mongering propagandists from attempting to "con" the gullible.
Are you paid per post?
I understand that you are probably paid to do this, but that is the dumbest message I've ever read. You even posted it to multiple threads! Perhaps to make sure your message of ignorance was properly distributed? Do you get paid per post per chance?
So, it's too early for cancers and tumors to be showing up and all of this concern about the worst nuclear disaster in history must be a bunch of fear mongering. What will you have to say when the cancers and tumors do begin showing up?
We are on our own. Really.
Read what our best scientists have to say.
It's not a foregone conclusion that Fukushima is the "worst nuclear disaster in history".
We heard the same hew and cry after the Three Mile Island accident; "what will you say when we have a spike in cancers and tumors...". Well, we DID NOT have a spike in cancers from Three Mile Island, courtesy of CBS News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-527826.html
No Cancer Spike in Three Mile Island
Read what radiation epidemiologists like Dr. John Boice told Congress in his testimony:
http://www.hps.org/documents/John_Boice_Testimony_13_May_2011.pdf
The health consequences for Japanese workers and public appear to be minor.
The health consequences for United States citizens are negligible to nonexistent.
Is last Tuesday recent enough for you??
If you will just check the date on the quoted link above concerning the danger of collapse of Unit 4:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/6362#comment-24746
you will find that post was dated Tuesday April 24, 2012. Today is Saturday April 28, 2012; so that post is all of 4 days old
Thanks for needlessly exciting electrons
I read the BRAWM post regarding Unit 4 on the 24th. Thanks.
This is the BRAWM forum. You do not need to post links to BRAWM posts here.
I'm interested in the human bio-accumulation of Cesium in particular. BRAWM are the best positioned group to generate this data.
BTW, a lot can happen in 4 days. We just had a 6.7 mag earthquake near Tonga yesterday, I felt it, two distinct waves. The chances of a large earthquake NOT striking the area of Fukushima in the near future are actually pretty slim IMHO.
Thank you for the reply.
Thank you for the prompt reply.
I can appreciate the fact that they're trying to repair the Reactors. Also It seems that we agree that the facility is still continuing to leak measurable radiation. I find it a little disturbing that exspense is the main reason to discontinue monitoring, given the nature and uniqueness of this event. Please reconsider the monitoring of this event,the research would be monumental to the world.
"I find it a little
"I find it a little disturbing that exspense is the main reason to discontinue monitoring"
Excellent! I'm sure they'll tell you where you can send your check.
"Please reconsider the monitoring of this event,the research would be monumental to the world."
Except that the monitoring they've already done has conclusively shown that, as far as the west coast of the us is concerned, this was a nothing burger.
It's only in the minds of nuclear hysterics that this is a problem.
Not sure where you get your facts?
But the monitoring they did this month shows a signifigant increase in radiation levels in milk. Don't want your "Nothing Burger" cause it causes cancer. Your hysteria must of overlooked this Fact.
Why yes! You're
Why yes! You're right!
Levels are now up to 3/1000ths of the naturally occurring potassium-40 that's always been in your milk.
I repeat. Nothing burger.
Wrong it's the cesium.
hmm and whats the current EPA standard. Denial is bliss. I repeat "Get your facts straight".
BRAWM has been monitoring
BRAWM has been monitoring. But if you look at their results page, BRAWM hasn't detected any new radioactivity from Fukushima in California for about a year.
It's not expense, they have the equipment. It's just that there hasn't been anything new to see in about a year.
There has been new results.
This is a once in a lifetime Chance. The clean up will not be complete for decades,if not centuries. The only way to prove there is no more contamination is to continue monitoring as long as it takes to clean the mess up.
There has been new results.
This is a once in a lifetime Chance. The clean up will not be complete for decades,if not centuries. The only way to prove there is no more contamination is to continue monitoring as long as it takes to clean the mess up.