Team Obama 'nuclear security'
Lucky for Planet Earth, it was just 3 hippy refugees from the 1960s.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-usa-securtity-nuclear-idUSB...
U.S. nuclear bomb facility shut after security breach
By Mark Hosenball Reuters WASHINGTON | Thu Aug 2, 2012 6:50pm EDT
Three activists cut through perimeter fences to reach the outer wall of a building where highly enriched uranium, a key nuclear bomb component, is stored. The activists painted slogans and threw what they said was human blood on the wall of the facility, one of numerous buildings in the facility known by the code name Y-12 that it was given during World War Two, officials said.
The activists passed through four fences and walked for "over two hours" before reaching the uranium storage building, on which they hung banners and strung crime-scene tape.
Ralph Hutchinson, coordinator for the Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance, said the group's intention was not to demonstrate the lack of security at the plant, but to take a stance against the making of nuclear weapons. "It wasn't so they could show how easy it was to bust into this bomb plant, it was because the production of nuclear weapons violates everything that is moral and good," Hutchinson said. "It is a war crime."
The security failure was an embarrassment both for the security firm and for the National Nuclear Security Administration, or NNSA, the Energy Department branch that operates U.S. nuclear weapons plants. "It was obviously a pretty serious incident," NNSA spokesman Joshua McConaha told Reuters.
The activists cut through two chain-link fences surrounding the sprawling facility and a third fence surrounding the ultra-secure enriched uranium stockpile building, known as the "Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility."
Peter Stockton, a former congressional investigator and security consultant to the Energy Department, expressed skepticism at government assertions the nuclear material was not at risk. "It is unbelievable this could happen," Stockton said. "The significance is outrageous. If they were terrorists, they could have blown open the door and got inside." The security breach was the "worst we've ever seen."
(Additional reporting by Mary Wisniewski in Chicago and Preston Peeden in Knoxville, Tennessee; Editing by David Storey and Peter Cooney)
Missing Heavy Water?
Is there some 'heavy water' missing from the nuclear arsonal stockpiles of the USA, Russia and/or China?
Revisionism
Who wins, who loses, and who gets paid?
It is often interesting to observe revisionism in action. This apparent, and perhaps heavy-handed rewrite, redo and reboot of the ‘somewhat trivial’, generic phrase ‘heavy water’, appears to be a case in point. The words of the English Language are subject to change, going forward. There is generally ‘something afoot’, when concerted efforts are made to alter the ‘historic definitions’ of words, and to erase their origins. It is easier to ‘make it so’ than it is to ‘make it ever so’. Good Luck with that. I took the 1st conveniently positioned, ‘old’ dictionary, which ‘came to hand’, ‘off the shelf’ this morning.
‘Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary: Based on Webster's Third New International Dictionary’, Copyright © 1961, 1966, Published Jan 1, 1971 - 1245 pages, G. & C. Merriam Company, Springfield, Massachusetts, USA, 87779-109-0, Made in the U.S.A., R. R. Donnelley & Sons Company, Compositors, The Lakeside Press, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A., Printers and Binders, Rand McNally & Company, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. pp 384-385,
“heavy water n: water containing more than the usual proportion of heavy isotopes: esp: water enriched in deuterium”
Heavy Water Vodka … Skål
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Skål – Hoisting a glass for creative revisionism and a Brave New World. As we say at the poker tables, “Not all trappers wear fur caps”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIVcaoAz4Q
http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1044638
http://luxuryexperience.com/liquor_cabinet/liquors/heavy_water_vodka.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245979/Hero-Telemark-dies-aged-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7664351/A-new-mission-for-the-hero-of-Te...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHquqfJrk7U
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/155793/Heroes-of-Telemark-The-Origina...
http://thehoochlife.com/2012/08/diy-aquavit-its-easier-than-you-think/
Heavy Water, Super Premium Vodka 750ml, SKU #1044638
Heavy Water Vodka is not just another vodka; it's authentic and sophisticated. Heavy Water Vodka is Scandinavian. It is made with Scandinavian winter wheat--which is said discovered to make the finest vodka. The water is from a recently-discovered underground lake that was formed during the last ice age. The Swedish government deemed this water exceptionally pure. At PH8 it is also ideal for making vodka. It has already earned six international medals including a best in the world, plus 93 points and a gold medal in the Beverage Testing Institute's 2005 International Review of Spirits. The name was inspired by a small group of Norwegian "tungtvann" heroes (known as The Heroes from Telemark) that destroyed the "heavy water" nuclear plant in 1943 and change(d) the outcome of World War II.
Making it so
Making it so; versus ‘making it ever so’ with Bill Gates ‘word’ games.
Bill Gates routinely plays expensive games, such as patent infringement, anti-trust violations and then CRUSHING patent law and the unfair trade practices acts. The tempo increased upon launching MSNBC. For now, Gates is fighting ‘the cloud’. A few years ago, circa 2000, Bill Gates attempted to trademark the word … ‘word’. He immediately placed everyone on notice to cease and desist in the use of his freshly trade mark/trade name ‘word’, in flagrant violation of EVERY traditional precept of intellectual property law.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/11/21/bill-gates-to-testify-in-1b-lawsu...
http://bgr.com/2011/11/22/bill-gates-testifies-in-novells-1-billion-anti...
Several groups ‘pushed back’, with respect to their past and intended continued use of the word ‘word’. This, notwithstanding the recently claimed proprietary ownership of Mr. Gates. One such group was the Christian church, which claimed a relevant prior usage of the word ‘word’, in connection with their historic ‘gig’. Eventually the megalomaniac, of Medina, Washington withdrew from the battle for exclusive, proprietary ownership and control of the word ‘word’.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh1.pdf
John 1:1 & 14: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1jo1.pdf
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;” … “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
Twas Ever Thus
“time whereof the memory of man runneth not to the contrary”
There is MUCH mischief afoot, when attempts are made to grant recent innovations; a fictional status of ‘Twas Ever Thus’.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Fti...
Commentaries on the Laws of England in Four Books, Author: Sir William Blackstone
These are the laws that so vigorously withstood the repeated attacks of the civil law, which established in the twelfth century a new Roman empire over most of the states of the continent; states that have lost, and perhaps upon that account, their political liberties: while the free constitution of England, perhaps upon the same account, has been rather improved than debased. These, in short, are the laws which gave rise and original to that collection of maxims and customs which is now known by the name of the common law; a name either given to it in contradistinction to other laws, as the statute law, the civil law, the law merchant, and the like; or, more probably, as a law common to all the realm, the jus commune, or folcright, mentioned by king Edward the elder, after the abolition of the several provincial customs and particular laws before mentioned.
But though this is the most likely foundation of this collection of maxims and customs, yet the maxims and customs, so collected, are of higher antiquity than memory or history can reach, nothing being more difficult than to ascertain the precise beginning and first spring of an ancient and long established custom. Whence it is that in our law the goodness of a custom depends upon its having been used time out of mind; or, in the solemnity of our legal phrase, time whereof the memory of man runneth not to the contrary. This it is that gives it its weight and authority: and of this nature are the maxims and customs which compose the common law, or lex non scripta, of this kingdom.
This unwritten, or common, law is properly distinguishable into three kinds: 1. General customs; which are the universal rule of the whole kingdom, and form the common law, in its stricter and more usual signification. 2. Particular customs; which, for the most part, affect only the inhabitants of particular districts. 3. Certain particular laws; which, by custom, are adopted and used by some particular courts, of pretty general and extensive jurisdiction.
Kangaroo Court is in session
Kangaroo Court is in session,
Complete with monkey judges & baboon arse prosecutors
http://www.wbir.com/pdf/1413_y12.pdf
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/dec/09/jack-mcelroy-maybe-nun-should-b...
Pleadings:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE AT KNOXVILLE No. 3:12-CR-107, JUDGES PHILLIPS/SHIRLEY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff, v. MICHAEL R. WALLI, MEGAN RICE, and GREG BOERTJE-OBED, Defendants
http://transformnowplowshares.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/us-mot-to-prec...
http://transformnowplowshares.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/resp-to-us-mot...
http://transformnowplowshares.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/us-mot-to-prec...
http://transformnowplowshares.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/us-mot-to-prec...
A New Deck of Cards
A New Deck of Cards for a House of Cards
Russians draft 'Guantanamo list' to sanction U.S. officials
Works for me! Though, the Devil (&-Salvation) is always in the Details.
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-russian-guantanamo-l...
By Sergei L. Loiko, January 18, 2013, 1:46 p.m.
MOSCOW -- Russia has prepared the “Guantanamo list” of U.S. officials who will be denied entry visas, officials in Moscow said Friday, the latest apparent retaliation for a U.S. law imposing sanctions on Russians over the death of an activist lawyer.
Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the foreign relations committee in the lower house of parliament, said Friday the list as drafted last month initially included 11 U.S. officials involved in running the prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and other sites allegedly used by the U.S. and its allies as secret prisons to hold terrorism suspects. The list was expanded this month to 60 people, he said.
Prosecutorial Misconduct
Nun praised at hearing on Y-12 breach
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dc-hearing-focuses-nuclear-weapons-plant-...
By ERIK SCHELZIG— Sep. 12 4:17 PM EDT NASHVILLE, Tenn. © 2013 AP
Rep. Joe Barton, Republican -Texas, asked Rice to stand in the audience at Wednesday's hearing of the House Energy and Commerce oversight and investigations subcommittee. "While I don't totally agree with your platform that you were espousing, I do thank you for bringing out the inadequacies in our security system," Barton said. "That young lady there brought a Holy Bible," he added. "If she had been a terrorist, the Lord only knows what would have happened."
Democratic Rep. Diana DeGette of Colorado thanked Rice for attending, and said she regretted that she wasn't allowed to testify. "It would be interesting to hear your perspective on how you were able to breach these four fences at the Fort Knox-type facility.
Rep. Edward Markey, Democrat-Mass., agreed that Rice should be praised for her actions."We thank you for your courage," he said. "It's important that we have nuns on the bus, not under the bus, which a lot of people would like for you, sister. They think you should be punished and not praised."
Open Tyranny
Federal Courts are for the most part, fraudulent abodes of corrupt tyranny.
The above prosecution is illegitimate in every salient aspect.
USA Citizens have the RIGHT to fair trials, and this is seldom available in the national court system.
It is high time to take the federal courts down a peg or two; whatever it takes.
No DEFENSE is ALLOWED
Frigging Fascists, this sounds like NAZI Germany
You are NOT allowed a DEFENSE.
Do NOT mention the Declaration of Independence.
Do NOT refer to the Magna Carta
Do NOT discuss The Constitution of the United States.
Do NOT discuss the Nuremberg Trials, jointly conducted by the USA, France, GB & USSR.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/verdicts.html
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/Nuremberg_trials.html
Mr. National Persecutor,
The proscution of this political show trial is unworthy to procede, in the name of The United States. The GUARDS were inattentive to their duty. Therein lies the CRIME. The Guards and the National Prosecutor, should be brought up on HIGH charges.
The Nun, Painter and Plumber WALKED, UNOBSERVED for hours. Their infraction is petty and trivial AND worked a GREAT GOOD; for national security and nuclear security.
Face the FACTS. The PROSECUTOR sucks!
WHOA!!!
The crime committed by the protestors is independent of the guards.
If you shoplift from a store, you are committing a crime independent of whether the store owner catches you.
In this case, the protestors cut the wire of fences and trespassed where they were forbidden to go, and ignoring the signs that told them to keep out. That fact that they damaged fences and trespassed in a forbidden area is their crime, and the fact that they were caught in the forbidden area means they really don't have much of a defense to the crime they committed.
The poor response of the guards is another problem. However, poor response by the guards in NO WAY absolves the protestors of the culpability for their crime.
Just as if a policeman catches you shoplifting. Can you say, "Well the store owner didn't see it - so that lets me off the hook?"
The protestors clearly violated the law. The last nuns that violated the law similarly at a military missile base spent many, many years in prison.
These protestors are facing very long prison sentences for the crime they obviously committed.
The dismal response of the guards in no way absolves the protestors of their culpability for the crimes they committed.
Failure to Prosecute
Failure to PROSECUTE the InAttentive Guards, Supervisors, Security Consultants and federal supervisors is, IMHO, Misprision of a Felony. 18 USC § 4.
Prosecution of a plumber, painter and a preacher for taking a hike and knocking on the door of Y-12, constitutes malicious prosecution.
Doing BOTH, simultaneously is, IMHO a hanging offense. It would be an Honor and God's Good Work to tie the knot or spank the pony in such a righteous necktie party.
MISREPRESENTATION!!!!
The above poster claims:
Prosecution of a plumber, painter and a preacher for taking a hike and knocking on the door of Y-12, constitutes malicious prosecution.
The plumber, painter, and nun did more than just "take a hike" and "knock on a door". They had to use their cutters to cut through several layers of fences. That's NOT just taking an innocuous hike. They were destroying and evading a number of security measures that were meant to keep them out.
The above poster says the guards should be prosecuted for "Misprision of a Felony". Misprision of a Felony is to have knowledge of a felony and essentially cover it up and not tell anyone.
That's NOT what the guards did. When the guards found the trespassers, they immediately reported it. That's NOT what the guards are in trouble for.
The reason the guards are in trouble is they did NOT KILL the trespassers. The tresspassers were in a region called a "kill zone". If the guards find tresspassers in that zone; they are supposed to immediately shoot to kill the tresspassers, since there is no legitimate reason for them to be in that zone. These guards did not shoot the tresspassers.
Open Season
It was 'Open Season' on Union & CSA officeholders circa 1860 - 1865, as they were 'to the man' engaged in unconstitutional actions under color of authority.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It is an interesting mental exercise to review the mechanisms of the Storming of the Bastille, which occurred in Paris, France on the morning of 14 July 1789.
We 'are there', IMHO.
Nuns sentenced to prison in Colorado.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0726-01.htm
GD NAZI War Criminals
GD NAZI War Criminals
Say, didn’t those NAZI War Criminals point to each other and Sovereign Immunity as defenses following WWII? That defense quite properly resulted in a verdict of Hanging from the Ally Judges selected by the governments of the USA, France, Great Britain and Russia.
The Fascist Prosecutorial Zeal of former Republicans Alberto Gonzales, and U.S. Attorneys, John Suthers, Johnny Sutton and their ilk; do not provide cover for the Fascist Prosecutorial Persecutions of Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney William Killian and/or their Minions. That would be the Nuremberg Defense. Hitler’s lackeys were allowed to present the Nuremberg Defense; and then were convicted, sentenced and hanged.
Similar despots, such as Benito Mussolini, Nicolae Ceaușescu and Charles I righteously met similar fates.
It is Time for a USA ‘necktie party’, IMHO.
Warning - Danger - Warning - Danger
The Nun at Oak Ridge & the Greenpeace activists in Sweden have sounded a WARNING. The nuclear weapons and Nuclear Power Plants are unguarded.
This adds to the design flaws, inadequate engineering, material weaknesses, construction mistakes, operator character flaws, human mistakes, natural disasters and the ravages of time.
The Nuclear Power Industry continues to fail test, after test. It is a FAILURE to prosecute the messenger of warning. It is not merely a character failure or a moral failure. It is a practical failure, that is itself a warning of impending disaster. Even France has heard the 'Warning Gong' and is now backing away from 'Team Nuke'.
Team Nuke is 'The Gang That Could Not Shoot Straight'.
Warning - Danger - Warning - Danger
If I had a bell, I'd ring it in the morning, I'd ring it in the evening, All over this land, I'd ring out danger, I'd ring out a warning, I'd ring out love between, My brothers and my sisters, All over this land.
'IF I HAD A HAMMER' LYRICS
WHOA!!! UNWARRANTED Generalization
The above poster stated
The Nun at Oak Ridge & the Greenpeace activists in Sweden have sounded a WARNING. The nuclear weapons and Nuclear Power Plants are unguarded.
Just because the nun and her colleagues breached security at Y-12; that doesn't mean that nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants are unguarded.
Evidently, the above poster is no ignorant and stupid as to not understand that nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants are protected by different people and a different organization as Y-12.
The above poster states this was a failure of the "nuclear industy". The "nuclear industry", the industry that runs nuclear reactors, was NOT involved.
Y-12 is a DOE / NNSA owned facility; which DOE contracts to B&W corporation to run, and they in turn subcontract the security to one of the many private security firms like Wakenhut.
Nuclear weapons are in the possession of the military; and they are guarded by the members of our armed forces.
Nuclear power plants are in the possession of the companies that own them, and they are responsible for the security of the plant which is regulated by the NRC.
So it's a whole different cast of characters!
It's like saying you saw a taxi cab crash, and because of that you no longer trust the pilots that fly the airliners. Totally different set of people. There's no logical connection.
However, that never stops the anti-nukes. In their little pea brains, anything with the word "nuclear" in its name is all the same. Nuclear weapons, nuclear power plants, and facilities that store nuclear fuel, are all the same, irrespective of who owns / operates the facility. They just want to fear-monger.
SPECIFICS
I beg to differ.
The cited statement represents SPECIFIC Examples of InAttentiveness of a Guard.
The USA Nuclear Weapon depot was an unguarded 'Walk-On'.
One Swedish NPP was a 'Walk-On, while the 2nd was a 'Bike-Ride'.
Taken together, looks like the guards were asleep, gone, STONED and/or fornicating.
Might outta roust them out, B4 some 'Bad Boy' strolls off with some dangerous materials or does some HEMISPHERIC Level Nuclear Damage.
InAttentiveness of a GUARD can get folks killed.
These SPECIFIC examples represent such a situation and MUST be handled in a more serious fashion.
It looks like the reason why not is POLITICIANS and CONTRACTORS are in bed with each other and JOB-1 is being left undone.
Again our anti-nukes make the same LOGICAL ERRORS
The anti-nuke above claims:
The USA Nuclear Weapon depot was an unguarded 'Walk-On'.
One Swedish NPP was a 'Walk-On, while the 2nd was a 'Bike-Ride'.
Once again we have a stupid / ignorant anti-nuke that didn't do his / her homework.
The above poster claims "the Nuclear Weapon depot" was a walk-on, apparently referring to Y-12.
Y-12 is NOT a "nuclear weapons depot"; there are NO nuclear weapons at Y-12.
The USA's stockpile of nuclear weapons is in the hands of the US military. Those weapons are NOT stockpiled at Y-12, but are located on missiles, subs, and at special facilities on US military bases. Y-12 is NOT part of the DOD.
Y-12 is a DOE facility, and the particular facility at Y-12 is a storage facility for Uranium. There's no nuclear weapons there.
Additionally, as explained above, which went right over the head or right through the head of the above anti-nuke; Y-12 is owned by DOE but its operation is contracted to a company, which sub-contracts security to a security company like Wakenhut.
Nuclear weapons are on military bases protected by members of the US armed forces. They are NOT guarded by Wakenhut.
Nuclear power plants are owned / operated by company that own them, and have to provide security that is up to NRC standards.
Again, different set of people.
In the example above, it's like watching a cab driver crash a cab into a light pole. A witness then says he / she, as a result of seeing the cab crash, no longer has confidence in the pilots that fly airliners. What do cabbies have to do with airliner pilots.
When this is pointed out, this witness says, "I beg to differ" as does the above poster.
Once again, the anti-nukes show they don't care if their arguments make logical sense.
Pisspore Lying
At the ARMORY
The Post Armory(s) contain rifles, carbines, pistols, baïonnettes, bullets, powder, explosives, spare parts, missiles, grenades, mines, flares, vests, parachutes, ... and the list goes on.
Y12, It IS a gawdam federal atomic weapons armory, filled with the enriched uranium components of the US nuclear arsonal, but UTTERLY unsecured.
A serviceable nuclear device could be cobbled together in an hour, from the sub-critical components at hand.
And the Rude Dog Lying continues for another installment.
WRONG!!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!
The above poster asserts:
A serviceable nuclear device could be cobbled together in an hour, from the sub-critical components at hand.
This is WRONG
The is ONE and only ONE facility in the DOE weapons production complex that is allowed to have all the components that make up a nuclear weapon. That sole facility is DOE's final assembly plant, Pantex; in Texas.
By design, the other facilities in the DOE complex do not have the full complement of materials / components for exactly the reason that they want it to be impossible to construct a device with what is at that site.
Once again the forum's resident fount of misinformation and poor scholarship is just running off at the mouth with more self-serving propaganda with out even the slightest attempt at providing some evidence that what is claimed is true. Forum readers expect this from this little propagandist, and know not to give anything said by this poster any credence whatsoever.
Dumb Dog
The Stupid Canis lupus familiaris, Rude Dog has been begging for Atomic Weapon construction details for months. I continue to defer.
It would be a surprise if:
1) The feds have not paid a visit to the eggsucking dog, with respect to this oft expressed request.
Or
2) The Rude Dog is just another gawdamAgents Provacateur.
In any event the Rude Dog request for construction details of an operational, improvised nuclear explosive device, is DENIED, again.
A more appropriate subject for the Rude Dog follows:
http://www.scielo.org.co/scielo.php?pid=S0122-02682011000100002&script=s...
Distribution of ectoparasites of Canis lupus familiaris L. (Carnivora: Canidae)
That mangy Rude Dog has fleas
Academic Argument??
Once again the forum's denizens can all have a good laugh as the above poster attempts to "win" a scientific debate by resorting to telling us all about "fleas".
Yessir! That's the way to win a scientific debate; talk about "fleas" and "pus" and all sorts of other unsavory aspects.
Yes - that really shows an academically astute working brain in operation. Only the highest caliber mind would every come up with arguments about "fleas" and "pus".
One would never find such well-considered arguments on an elementary school playground. One never hears about "fleas" and "pus" in discussions on elementary school playgrounds.
The brains / minds of elementary school students are too immature to create logical arguments based on the concepts of "fleas" and "pus".
Unguarded
The Rude Dog returns
The Rude Dog continues to struggle with the concepts of:
Objective Reality
Defiinition of Terms
Meanings of Words
Fundamentals of Mathematics
Fundamentals of Physics
Fundamentals of Engineering
Fundamentals of Law
...
Specific Examples are provided to demonstrate that Private and Public nuclear security measures have been woefully inadequate.
Easy Walk - On Access
Not exactly meeting the conventional standards of 'High Security'
Needs a little work
IMHO
TTFN
One again CLUELESS MORON...
Once again CLUELESS MORON makes claims without providing any evidence to back up what he / she claims.
Again, this is just the trait of our self-righteous anti-nukes; they are so self-righteous that they believe we have to believe that they are right just because they say so.
This FOOL has NEVER offered any proof what so ever that I don't understand Mathematics, or Physics...
Again, I point out that the people who guard nuclear weapons are NOT the people who guard Y-12.
This FOOL can't understand it; because he / she conflates everything with that has to do with "nuclear" anything; is all the same.
Some Heavy Water is radioactive
Rude Dog,
You provide "PROOF', of your idiocy, every time that you log on.
How are you and WIKI coming along with that 'Heavy Water' concept.
In the Real World, Heavy Water has various isotope compositions. Rude Dog lives in another world.
You and Wiki AGAINST the world.
Good Luck with that!
TTFN
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!
Our resident anti-nuke pinhead again is devoid of any proof or evidence as he / she expounds on further lies.
MORON; just because you keep saying that heavy water is radioactive; doesn't make it so.
If any want proof that the above poster is an abject moron and shouldn't be listened to; prove it your self by the following.
In the real world, what we call "heavy water" is D20; deuterium oxide. There are two atoms in the D2O molecule; deuterium or hydrogen-2, or H2; and Oxygen-16 or O-16.
Go the the online Chart of the Nuclides maintained by the scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory:
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/
In the box at right under nucleus, enter "H2" to get the properties of deuterium. In the middle of the line is the half-life ( T subscript 1/2 ). For deuterium, the response is STABLE which means deuterium is NOT radioactive.
Do the same by entering "O16" in the box and also find that Oxygen-16 is NOT radioactive.
"Heavy water" is a compound that contains two isotopes, NEITHER of which is radioactive. So "heavy water" is NOT radioactive.
This moronic pinhead is confusing "heavy water" with "heavy, heavy water" which is the same molecule made with radioactive tritium.
I guess the dumb pinhead can't count to 2; and doesn't know the difference between only one "heavy" and two "heavy" in the name.
As always, ignore this DAMN LIAR. He's just out to fear-monger.
Heavy Water Definition
Rude Dog Defined
The Rude Dog disagrees with the Dictionary Definition of heavy water.
http://americanheritage.yourdictionary.com/heavy-water
noun
Any of several isotopic forms of water, especially deuterium oxide, that consists chiefly of molecules containing heavy hydrogen and is used as a moderator in certain nuclear reactors.
http://www.wordnik.com/words/heavy%20water
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IDIOT CHOWDERHEAD!!!
Where does our resident IDIOT go for scientific information - the American Heritage Dictionary.
Sorry to tell you this LOSER; but the dictionary is written for non-scientists and was NEVER meant to be a definition that scientists use.
However, some dictionaries get the science correct, like Merriam-Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heavy%20water
1 the compound D2O composed of deuterium and oxygen —called also deuterium oxide
which is the correct definition. So my dictionary disagrees with your dictionary. Neither was meant to be a scientific arbiter.
Look dummy; we have 3 forms of water; light water, heavy water, and heavy, heavy, water ( super-heavy water )
They correspond to the 3 isotopes of hydrogen, light hydrogen / protium; heavy hydrogen / deuterium; and heavy heavy hydrogen / tritium.
The Oxygen-16 that combines with the above is not radioactive. If anything is radioactive water; that radioactivity is determined by whether the hydrogen is radioactive.
The forum's resident IDIOT was probably absent that day in elementary school science class when they explained why atoms are radioactive or not. Evidently our pinhead doesn't know. Atoms are radioactive or not based on the content of neutrons / protons in the nucleus. In the nucleus we have "Z" protons, and "N" neutrons. The mass of the nucleus is the sum of the two "A" = Z + N.
Therefore if you give the chemical symbol and the mass; you've specified both Z and N. The chemical symbol tells you the Z because the chemical species is determined by the number of protons Z. Since you now know Z, and also given A, then N = A - Z.
The radioactive properties are completely specified by giving the pair (Z,N) or (Z,A) or chemical symbol-A.
That's why we can go to the Chart of the Nuclides at Brookhaven National Lab:
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/
and determine whether a nuclide is radioactive or not. In particular, as I've told you many times; enter "H2" for hydrogen-2 or deuterium into the box labeled "Nucleus" at right and press "Go".
Brookhaven comes back with a reply, and in the center is the "half-life" [ T subscript 1/2 ]. For Deuterium or H2; is replies STABLE. That means it is NOT radioactive.
Deuterium is ALWAYS "STABLE". It is NOT a radioactive nuclide. It is NOT the case like our idiot who doesn't know his science says, "..sometimes deuterium is radioactive and sometimes it is not". NO - the nuclear configuration of a single proton paired with a single neutron in the nucleus is a STABLE configuration. That's why Brookenhaven gives the half-life as "STABLE" - there is no half-life, it is not radioactive.
Likewise, the water made with deuterium; "deuterium oxide" or "heavy water" that at least Merriam-Webster gets correct; is also non-radioactive. The deuterium is not radioactive, and the oxygen is not radioactive; so the compound is not radioactive.
It is NOT the case, as per our resident single digit IQ pinhead; that "..sometimes heavy water is radioactive, sometimes it is not..."
NO - the name gives you the radiological properties which is not radioactive.
However, the stupid anti-nukes don't want people to be able to tell whether something is radioactive or not by its name. They want to have names that cover multiple cases; sometimes radioactive, sometimes not radioactive.
What good is that? For them it means that people will have to fear "heavy water" because they won't know whether it is radioactive or not.
It's analogous to the word "snake". People fear "snakes" and rightly so - since sometimes they are poisonous and sometimes not. So you have to treat all snakes as poisonous to be safe. Non-poisonous snakes take advantage of this. They look and hiss just like their poisonous brothers, but they are harmless. So you fear a harmless snake as if it were poisonous, just to be safe.
Scientists want specificity. So we give poisonous snakes a label, like "pit viper", and non-poisonous snakes a name like garter snake or corn snake. Scientists want to know what we have; poisonous or not, and our terminology reflects that. Having only a single term "snake" conflates poisonous and non-poisonous species.
That's what the anti-nukes want. They want everything to be labeled as radioactive, or have a name suggesting it is radioactive; whether it is radioactive or not. It's all part of their tactic of fear-mongering and not telling the scientific truth.
Look at how many "back-flips" and "turn-abouts" our resident idiot has had to do in order to defend this "...sometimes it is, sometimes it's not" nonsense.
Look STUPID DUMMY; this is a technical forum for people who are schooled in science and technology, and who know the scientific definitions and terms.
Why don't you take your inaccurate American Heritage dictionary, and take it to some elementary school where it will be useful. You may also like it there as you would be among those with similar level of "intellect" ( for lack of a better term ) as your own.
Defined
Heavy Water Definition
The Rude Dog disagrees with the Dictionary Definition of heavy water.
http://americanheritage.yourdictionary.com/heavy-water
noun
Any of several isotopic forms of water, especially deuterium oxide, that consists chiefly of molecules containing heavy hydrogen and is used as a moderator in certain nuclear reactors.
http://www.wordnik.com/words/heavy%20water
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company.
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How long did it take?
How long did it take you to find a dictionary with an inaccurate definition of heavy water? You must have been searching a long time before you found one that was inaccurate and didn't identify heavy water as deuterium oxide.
I looked at the Oxford English dictionary, and they got it correct; "heavy water" is deuterium oxide:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/heavy%2Bwater?q=heavy+w...
The Britannica dictionary got it correct, "heavy water" is deuterium oxide
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/258974/heavy-water
Dictionary.com also got it correct, "heavy water" is deuterium oxide:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavy+water?s=t
Rude Dog showed us that Merriam-Webster got the definition correct:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heavy%20water
All the dictionaries that I looked at say that "heavy water" is deuterium oxide. You found ONE dictionary that was inaccurate and disagrees with ALL the other dictionaries. So tell us all how long you had to look before you found a dictionary that was inaccurate?
Let's see how scientists use the term "heavy water". From Harvard University:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1965Natur.208...93C
Influence of Heavy Water (Deuterium Oxide)...
From the University of Michigan:
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/30833123_Extracellular_fluid_and...
"...was determined with the use of deuterium oxide (nonradioactive heavy water). "
Do you not know that it is "cherry picking" to find one source that is inaccurate and attempt to palm it off onto the forum as being definitive? That's really very dishonest. Of course, we've come to expect that from you and all the other anti-nukes.
Term Definition
Poor Rude Dog reading retention and/or comprehension … AGAIN!
It took about 5 seconds to open the google dictionary search engine and type in the words 'heavy' and 'water'.
The cited reference, Extracellular fluid and total body water changes in neonates undergoing extracorporeal membrane oxygenation’, PROPERLY, though incompletely, defines their terms. The subject water could be comprised of DHO, DDO or a combination. And does allow use of any of the three (3) stable oxygen isotopes.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/30833123_Extracellular_fluid_and...
“deuterium oxide (nonradioactive heavy water)”
In NO MANNER, does the cited reference preclude the use of the (radioactive) ‘Heavy Water’ description for DTO, TTO or rule out use of any particular stable Oxygen isotope. They wanted non-radioactive water and they specified DXOx and used it.
“ECF space was measured using the compound sodium bromide and TBW was determined with the use of deuterium oxide (nonradioactive heavy water). Fluid compartment measurements were made prior to the institution of ECLS, immediately after placement on bypass, approximately every other day while on bypass, and a final measurement was made once the patient was off bypass.”
IDIOT CHOWDERHEAD is either an English major or Lawyer
The forum's resident IDIOT states:
In NO MANNER, does the cited reference preclude the use of the (radioactive) ‘Heavy Water’ description for DTO, TTO or rule out use of any particular stable Oxygen isotope.
Sorry you poor miserable excuse for a human being; in science we define our terms explicitly. We don't define terms by exclusion. That is we don't say, "This doesn't rule out DTO and TTO..."
Look at how we scientifically define terms, chowderhead. We have 3 isotopes of hydrogen; protium, deuterium, and tritium. They are also called light hydrogen, heavy hydrogen, and heavy, heavy hydrogen ( or super-heavy hydrogen ).
If we use light hydrogen H and oxidize it; we get H20 or "light water".
If we use heavy hydrogen D and oxidize it; we get D2O or "heavy water".
If we use heavy, heavy, hydrogen, T and oxidize it; we get T2O or "heavy, heavy water".
Those are the definitions, fathead. We don't say that one doesn't exclude others and so muck up our definitions with multiple meanings.
Water that contains Tritium isn't scientifically called "heavy water"; it is called "heavy heavy water", "super-heavy water" or "tritiated water".
Quit making up your own sub-standard / overloaded definitions; and use the ones that scientists have already defined.
In any case, in science; colloquial English dictionaries, are NOT considered scientific reference material.
You LOSE again. But keep it up; it just keeps reinforcing how stupid anti-nukes are.
Still SEARCHING
Interesting to watch the Rude Dog argue with the dictionary and direct, attributed definitions.
The Rude Dog appears to be vainly searching the internet for some reference to Heavy Water that matches his WIKI foolishness.
If there were 100, they would NOT rule out the use of the WORD 'heavy' (adjective) in connection with the WORD 'water' (noun) for ANY isotope or combination thereof.
Terms must be defined to establish more limited usage than is found in the dictionary.
My, but that is a heavy water canteen, to carry into the desert.
That is one heavy water glass.
Antinuke dishonesty
As someone who has been lurking and watching this pronuke / antinuke debate, I have come to the conclusion that the antinukes can't be trusted to tell the truth. Look, there were a half dozen dictionaries that stated that heavy water is deuterium oxide. The antinuke's dictionary got outvoted by the other dictionaries. However, the antinuke still maintains that his outvoted dictionary is somehow authoritative. It simply means that the antinuke can't accept that he is wrong. I don't believe the antinuke is really interested in telling us the truth. Over and over again he just attempts to skew the truth in order to further his own opinion. It's obvious he's a liar; and isn't interested in giving good information to a truth thirsty public. Keep it up antinuke. You are merely reinforcing my opinion that you are lying.
Your Argument is with the REPUTABLE Sources
Rude Dog,
Several citations to reputable sources have been provided. That, makes your argument with the quoted sources, including the Berkeley Intellectual Property group, not with the person making the citation/quotation.
That precludes a sustainable charge of lying, you lowlife-bucketofsyphilitic-chancrepus.
TTFN
Academic credentials
The above poster states
That precludes a sustainable charge of lying, you lowlife-bucketofsyphilitic-chancrepus.
Now that's the type of thoughtful academic comment that is so widely accepted in the scientific community. When the word "chancrepus" is used in an academic argument, one can be totally sure that the rebuttal was well reasoned and accurate.
Civility
Laughable
It is laughable, for the Rude Dog to seek civility, comity or ANY form of peer respect.
The Rude Dog has NO basis upon which to expect any such treatment. His on-line behavior consistently falls far below ANY standards and Rude Dog is NOT a peer.
I personally favor tertiary syphilis as a better working diagnosis of the Rude Dog medical condition.
T-S better models the erratic behavioral aspects of the Rude Dog, than a primary lesion.
IMHO
Congenital
One cannot rule out Congenital Syphilis. Rude Dog, and the rest of the litter, very likely contracted it from their mom.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002320/
Congenital syphilis is caused by the bacterium Treponema pallidum, which is passed from mother to child during fetal development or at birth. Nearly half of all children infected with syphilis while they are in the womb die shortly before or after birth.
Despite the fact that this disease can be cured with antibiotics if caught early, rising rates of syphilis among pregnant women in the United States have increased the number of infants born with congenital syphilis.
References
1.Patterson MJ, Davies HD. Syphilis (Treponema pallidum). In: Kliegman RM, Behrman RE, Jenson HB, Stanton BF, eds. Nelson Textbook of Pediatrics. 19th ed. Philadelphia, Pa: Saunders Elsevier;2011:chap 210.
U.S. National Library of Medicine - The World's Largest Medical Library
'PubMed Health'
Security at Y-12 nun too good
Security at Y-12 nun too good
By Fissile Materials Working Group | 2 October 2012
http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/fissile-materials-work...
When Kirk Garland, the first guard on the scene, arrived at the "HEUMF" (highly enriched uranium materials facility), he found the three protesters outside the facility -- within 20 feet of nuclear material. The activists were banging on the walls with hammers, after first hanging a few banners, splashing some fake blood around, and painting Bible verses on the facade. Although their intentions were peaceful, the fact that three ordinary people were able to get so close to the most dangerous material on the planet is cause for serious concern.
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/IG-0868_0.pdf
And so, it was with no small amount of curiosity that the nuclear security community was finally able to read through the findings of the Energy Department Office of Inspector General's investigation PDF into the breach. Unsurprisingly, the Energy Department found "troubling displays of ineptitude in responding to alarms, failures to maintain critical security equipment, over reliance on compensatory measures, misunderstanding of security protocols, poor communications, and weaknesses in contract and resource management."
Sweden NPP Security Nun too good ...
Sweden Nuclear Power Plant Security is Nun too good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ua0xF0K9sw&list=PLL4kU_n6kO7FsDKGQFjwgbh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GiqsjS-QIM&list=PLL4kU_n6kO7FsDKGQFjwgbh...
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL4kU_n6kO7FsDKGQFjwgbhv2Sh8Gk6iG&...
At the Forsmark NPP, on the east coast of Sweden, 50 activists put ladders up against a chain link fence, scaled over the so-called 'barrier' and got up close to the reactor buildings. Initial Police response time was 15 minutes. One ‘intruder’ was on site for four hours before she was discovered! Two stayed overnight undetected.
At the Ringhals nuclear site, on the west coast, 20 activists bicycled onto the property and explored the terrain. Initial Police response time was 40 minutes. Four stayed overnight undetected. Two revealed their location after 38 hours, undetected.
Six activists arrested at Forsmark
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5303871
Another six activists were arrested at the nuclear plants Forsmark and Ringhals on Wednesday.
The 22 Greenpeace activists who were arrested on Wednesday for breaking into and hiding in the Ringhals power plant have been released from custody, but many are still suspected of trespass.
One man who was arrested yesterday outside nuclear power plant Ringhals is being held in custody by police on suspicion of accessory to trespass.
A peaceful stress test
"This was a peaceful stress test"
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5303871
The goal of the activists was to get a comment from the environmental minister, said Annika Jacobsson, the head of Greenpeace Sweden. "This was a peaceful stress test," she said. "We hope that Lena Ek, who is the minister responsible for the safety of the nuclear power plants, will react and close down these reactors, because the security situation is serious."
“Mission Accomplished”
“Mission Accomplished”, in the somewhat premature words of GWB, the last POTUS.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5303871
Environment minister: "Very annoyed"
Published: onsdag 10 oktober 2012 kl 12:39 , Radio Sweden
Sweden's Environmental Minister Lena Ek has called for companies Vattenfall and Eon, who run the nuclear plants Ringhals and Forsmark, to shape up on security measures, after several Greenpeace activists managed to get into and hide in the plants without being discovered.
"The fact that it is so easy to climb over the fence and get past security is beyond all criticism. To be honest, I'm very annoyed that these security issues have not been solved", Ek told Swedish Radio.
Ek said she plans to meet with the Swedish Radiation Safety Authority as well as Vattenfall and Eon on Thursday to address the issue.
Dumpster Diving for Weapon Grade Uranium
Help yourself
Dumpster Diving for Weapon Grade Uranium
http://www.ips-dc.org/files/5247/Bob-Alvarez-Managing-Uranium.pdf
http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/managing_uranium
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/us/uranium-233-disposal-proves-a-probl...
The United States has created a problem called uranium-233, a material suitable for the core of a nuclear weapon and among the most dangerous materials on the planet. If as little as 19 pounds of uranium-233 fell into the wrong hands, it could make an explosion that could destroy all of downtown Washington, D.C. or another city.
About 96 kilograms (212 Lb) of uranium-233 may be unaccounted for.
"The Energy Department has indicated it plans to waive safeguards and safety requirements to dispose of nearly 2,000 pounds of these concentrated nuclear explosive materials by simply putting them in a landfill. This would be in disregard for international safeguard and security norms as well as the department's own nuclear security and radioactive waste disposal standards."
We could just burn the U-233
There would be no disposal problem for U-233, just as there would be no disposal problem for long-lived Plutonium-239 if the USA would just do the obvious - recycle both Uranium-233 and Plutonium-239 to power reactors to be burned as fuel.
The result would be short-lived fission products:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html
"Q: And you repeat the process.
A: Eventually, what happens is that you wind up with only fission products, that the waste is only fission products that have, most have lives of hours, days, months, some a few tens of years. There are a few very long-lived ones that are not very radioactive."
Of course, many don't want that to happen because it solves the problem of what to do with nuclear waste; and that's the last problem they want solved. They would rather milk that problem for their own parochial political purposes.
Hand writing on the wall
Pass!
We shall endeavor to eliminate or substantially reduce commercial nuclear power applications.
The commercial nuclear power industry has been 'weighed and found wanting'.
The hand is writing on the wall, for the USA nuclear power industry
Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided …
Daniel 5:24-28 http://bibledatabase.net/html/kjv/daniel_5.html
Your choice...
Your choice...the problem is you've saddled the country with the problem of how to dispose of this material.
That's what Yucca Mountain was supposed to do - lock this material away for the thousands of years that it is dangerous...and if that isolation system should fail and the material leaches out....then you suffer the consequences.
Or you could burn the material as reactor fuel. In that case, the reactor will transmute the material into fission products that will be harmless in a few decades.
Your choice. Do you want the material to be neutralized in a few decades; then you HAVE to use a reactor.
If your tender sensibilities don't allow you to use a reactor; then YOU tell us how you are going to keep this material harmless for tens of thousands of years..
The choice is yours.
1-2-3
Easy as 1-2-3
Shut down
Sequestration
Slumber
In 200 years:
The Cesium-137 from Chernobyl and the Cold War will half-life to a survivable level.
The present generation of nuclear power liars will be long-dead.
A future generation, may choose to reopen 'Pandora's Box'.
That will be their decision. I have made mine.
Plutonium-239, Uranium-233
Evidently you FORGOT the subject of this thread; which is Uranium-233 disposal.
Cesium-137 is just ONE of the radioisotopes that you have to sequester.
You forgot about sequestering the Uranium-233 which is the subject of this thread, and you forgot about the Plutonium-239 which has a half-life of 23,100 years.
Typical anti-nuke; give a solution for the easy part; and totally ignore the hard part.
Unfortunately, it's the hard part that determines the solution.
Therefore, the anti-nuke has made an UNINFORMED decision.
Why do the anti-nukes always assume that people are lying, as in the "generation of nuclear power liars will be long dead" above? The anti-nukes always assume someone is lying; when the true reason for what they call "lies" is due to their own ignorance.
Rude Dog Returns
Rude Dog, you CONSTANTLY lying POS
The Sequestration of Plutonium, Uranium and other high level radioactive wastes, from commercial nuclear power reactors, will be for Eons, due to the absolute mess you proNukes have created.
The Cesium releases from Chernobyl, Weapon Tests and Fukushima Daiichi can NOT be sequestered; for they are scattered all over the Northern Hemisphere. The Cesium 137 has a 50 year halflife, so in about 200 years, some of that global pollution will begin to cool off. Some cesium contaminated areas will return to habitable status for man, beast, plant, bacteria and virus.
The constant lying of the Pronukes may begin to abate as these radioactive DEATH machines are shuttered. Perhaps in a century or two, the complete litany of nuclear lies will be fully catalogued for academic study.
It is TIME to knock the nuclear power industry in the head, like a sick heifer.
IMHO