San Onofre Beach Rocks - Get 'em while they're HOT...

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2012-05-20 13:38

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGX8AQmoxNk

The most intriguing aspect of this story is its "mystery" that continues to baffle "scientists", none of whom, apparently, have access to a Geiger counter.

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We will never forget, um... wha?

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 2012-06-13 11:55.

The Hiners' plight is not yet over, it seems:
http://www.ocregister.com/news/rocks-358007-hiner-phosphorous.html

"They are hoping authorities will continue to research where the phosphorous came from and are hopeful the type of phosphorous can be determined.

"We're not satisfied with the results," Rob Hiner said. "We need more information on how to proceed on possible long term health impacts Lyn may have from the exposure." "

No wonder the "authorities" are having trouble informing the Hiners - they can't even spell "phosphorus" correctly. Or were they really being cagey when they proclaimed "the substance is PHOSPHOROUS"?

Professor Farnsworth

Bulletin... Bulletin...

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 2012-06-02 07:06.

For both viewers out there who have not forgotten this story already, it seems, as of Thursday, May 31, 2012, that our imperial "experts" are STILL mystified by San Onofre's burning beach rocks - see http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/31/11994939-additional-tests-s...

"Ideology trumping science = dying empire"

Professor Farnsworth

Hot pockets!

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 2012-06-01 22:38.

Geez, what is next?
Can't even pick up a few beach rocks without getting into trouble. We need to be careful with our planet.

This is bizarre read this one... tdm

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 10:00.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/flaming-beach-rock-victim-has-undergone-2-surgeries.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+(L.A.+Now)
"Scientists have told The Times that they are puzzled by the mysterious fire and have never seen anything like it.

"It's pretty implausible," said Larry Overman, a professor of chemistry at UC Irvine. "I can't think of a scenario of chemicals on the beach that would have the properties that are described."

There is a military base

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2012-05-20 20:08.

There is a military base nearby the beach where this lady found the "rock".

I do not know of any pyrophoric radioactive isotopes...I'd bet a fat hunskie that this lady came across some form of phosphorous which ignites when exposed to air.

Google "white phosphorous" ...

BC 5/20/12

Research more not just a rock nature provided quote...

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 10:09.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/mystery-...

"Scientists investigating the incident say the seven rocks that Hiner's daughters brought back contained traces of phosphorus, the chemical found on the tips of matches, ABC News reports.

"I know the orange is not part of the rock," San Diego State University geologist Pat Abbott told ABC News. "It's not natural. It's human made."

Capitalist Radiation Harmless, Terrorist Radiation Deadly...

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 05:38.

You are spinning the MSM version of this story, complete with the misspelling of the element phosphorus with the adjective 'phosphorous'. Don't worry, my ninth grade teacher made the same error. Now, onto some science:

1. Why hadn't the white phosphorus already combusted while sitting on the beach?

2. Why wouldn't those mystified 'scientists' be able to confirm or, for the public peace of mind, DENY that the rocks were radioactive? There are still a few concerned citizens out there, you know.

Just what in the hell did I

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 08:50.

Just what in the hell did I say that would lead you to believe that I am not a concerned citizen?

BC 5/21/12

Hell is full - Brimstone overflowing onto San Onofre Beach...

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 09:58.

Very tempted to say "that wasn't me, it was your conscience", but I refrained - delighted to hear you include yourself as a concerned citizen. Hope you looked at the wiki link for "pyrophoricity", which includes plutonium and uranium. I am very interested in your response to my two questions above.

Professor Farnsworth

I did read the article on

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 11:17.

I did read the article on pyrophoricity. I still would bet on white phosphorus being the culprit - the military has used tons of it for years. From what I read it has been common to coat it with either oil or water to keep it from contacting air and thus beginning to burn. So it could be that this came from a dumped munition that recently washed up on shore - maybe there was enough of a coating of oil or water on the WP to keep it from combusting until the lady put it in her pocket and rubbed it dry. That's my take on your #1.

As for #2, what can I say? Makes sense that someone should run a geiger counter over it. I know I would if dealing with an unknown hazmat item.

All bad in any case - something doesn't need to be radioactive to be deadly/dangerous.

BC 5/21/12

Thanks for your response, BC -

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 12:26.

If one googles this story, it is amazing how many web sites picked it up, and some "readers" comments are even more incredible. At a site called SanoDaze, a "reader" claims that park rangers purposely leave these booby-trapped stones on the beach to discourage beach-goers from taking them home(!!!), and another "reader" says that it served them right(!!!!) May I presume, as a concerned citizen with loved ones, that you would like to know the TRUTH, as I would? Or is the truth just more imperial road-kill?

Professor Farnsworth

Golden Kazoo! How ya been?

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 18:34.

Golden Kazoo! How ya been?

Of course I would like to

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 13:42.

Of course I would like to know what it is, and see it cleaned up. I don't buy for a second that the beach is "booby-trapped" intentionally...this is very likely some type of washed up military hardware. Bear in mind that for many decades the ocean was a favorite dumping ground for no-longer-wanted bombs, paint, fuel, etc.

I have a good friend who was in the Navy in the 80's...he tells me a story about how they loaded drums and drums of leaded industrial paint on board the ship he was on and later dumped it in the drink. He refused to participate and was busted down a notch for it.

So it is not hard for me to imagine WP grenades and other munitions being dumped and perhaps even reacting chemically with other items (the casing of the weapon, rocks on the seafloor, etc) and then washing up on the beach 50 years later looking a lot like a rock.

BC 5/21/12

More Science...

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 2012-05-21 06:38.

Also, you might really appreciate this, particularly the photo of plutonium glowing like an ember - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophoricity

My friend, there will soon be

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2012-05-20 17:26.

My friend, there will soon be over 500 enormous (the only "cost-effective" kind) nuclear power plants the world over. It can't end well. The writing is on the wall.

He who dies with the most Nukes wins...

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 2012-05-20 18:09.

Can we at least complain about it a little?