Only Nobodies
Inconsistent Reports
Perhaps only ‘nobodies’ were killed & injured
Perhaps only ‘nobodies’ are worried about radiation
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Five (5) Dead [According to USA NRC internal communication Bullet 8]
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/world/asia/japan-nuclear-worker-files-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDUw0wz98v0&feature=player_embedded
Multiple Injuries [According to ‘Boots in the water’]
“TEPCO, knew the risks from highly radioactive water but sent crews into a flooded area during the early days of last year’s crisis without adequate protection or warnings. The actions led to radiation injuries,”
http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/interview-tokyo-2020-brushes-aside-fu...
[According to a member of the Japanese Royal Family]
No one died
No one is worried about the tsunami or radiation.
Tokyo is so far. It‘s not the same, far away from the Fukushima area
No one died, no one got injured from this event. No one
Chernobyl was totally different.
I was told to work like a kamikaze pilot
“I was told to work at the plant like a kamikaze pilot,”
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201212090052
Worker wants new government to secure safety at Fukushima plant
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN December 09, 2012
A TEPCO employee in his 20s who grew up in Fukushima Prefecture has become an opponent of nuclear power after the accident at the Fukushima No. 1 plant.
“I was told to work at the plant like a kamikaze pilot,” said the man, who is evacuating from Fukushima Prefecture due to high levels of radiation he received. “I have no idea about how much radiation I was exposed to.”
He said a large number of his colleagues left the company during the past year.
573 deaths related to nuclear crisis
573 deaths 'related to nuclear crisis'
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120204003191.htm
The Yomiuri Shimbun
A total of 573 deaths have been certified as "disaster-related" by 13 municipalities affected by the crisis at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, according to a Yomiuri Shimbun survey. This number could rise because certification for 29 people remains pending while further checks are conducted.
Applications for certification have been filed for 748 people, and 634 of them have been cleared to undergo screening. Of the 634, 573 deaths were certified as disaster-related, 28 applications were rejected, four cases had to reapply because of flawed paperwork, and 29 remain pending.
(Feb. 5, 2012)
Nobody
Nobody
SYLVIA: Your ‘Nobody’ Called Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBACEa-onkY
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/sylvia/nobody.html
Sittin' in a restaurant
She walked by
I seemed to recall
That certain look in your eye
I said, who's that
You said, with a smile
Aah, it's nobody
Aah, nobody
Well your nobody called today
She hung up when I asked her name
Well, I wonder
Does she think she's being clever
(Clever, ooh, ooh)
You say, nobody's after you
The fact is what you say is true
But I can love you like nobody can
Even better
The facts are stipulated
The facts are not ‘in dispute’ for Japan.
Ignorance, Arrogance, Collusion, Denial, Danger, Death, Deception, Concealment
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/panel-slams-tokyo-gove...
http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/op-eds/japan%E2%80%99s-culture-cu...
Japan leaders, utility slammed for 'MAN-MADE' nuclear disaster
An independent parliamentary commission accused the Japanese government and the nation's leading utility of "collusion" in avoiding vital nuclear safety improvements that would have prevented the reactor meltdowns last year at the tsunami-damaged Fukushima complex. In its report based on 900 hours of testimony, the Japanese Diet's 10-member investigative panel accused government and industry leaders of having “betrayed the nation's right to be safe from nuclear accidents.”
Japanese nuclear regulators with the Nuclear Industrial and Safety Agency colluded with Fukushima operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. in willfully ignoring necessary safety upgrades, the report stated. “Across the board, the commission found ignorance and arrogance unforgivable for anyone or any organization that deals with nuclear power,” the report said.
From your link: "A
From your link:
"A disaster-related death certificate is issued when a death is not directly caused by a tragedy, but by fatigue or the aggravation of a chronic disease due to the disaster."
Like hitting a person with an underlying medical condition
Your actions resulted in their death
'Book em Dano, manslaughter'
They would have lived
So get a VERY GOOD lawyer
You are gonna need one
Manslaughter
Perp-1 triggers a false alarm
Perp-2 vandalizes the alarm system
People DIE
"Book Em Dano"
Manslaughter
LOL
Fun & Profit
If you Sell the Life Rafts off the ship and People DIE; be you owner, inspector, captain, crew, passenger or vandal.
"Book Em Dano"
Manslaughter
LOL
INCORRECT!!
I can tell the above poster is no lawyer; nor student of the law.
Manslaughter is when you are legally obligated to perform a duty, and you perform that duty negligently and someone dies as a result.
For example, when you drive, you have a legal obligation to operate your vehicle in a safe manner. If you are negligent in the operation of your vehicle, and someone dies; you have committed manslaughter.
If you drive 60 mph through residential streets posted at 25 mph, and you come around the curve and hit some kids crossing the street because you couldn't stop from 60 mph in time, and they die; that is manslaughter.
However, if you are driving down the highway near the coast, and a tsunami knocks your car into the opposing lane, and someone dies in the collision; that is NOT manslaughter.
This is a University forum. Please try to raise the level of scholarship to that appropriate for a University.
Japan
Jurisdiction & Venue
Japan has jurisdiction (party, location & subject matter)
Are you licensed to practice CRIMINAL law in Japan?
The criminal complaints and referrals appear to be in order.
We shall see
Legal principles are similar
Japan has some differences with US law; but they are basically similar.
In Japan, as in the USA; you file a lawsuit "against a ham sandwhich" if you like.
Let's see what happens when these lawsuits actually get a hearing.
My bet is summary dismissal.
The Devil is in the Details
Is that your defense?
"The legal principles are similar"
Be advised, that Japan has 'the death penalty'.
That is a similarity, but not a comforting similarity ... for Team Nuke.
The Devil is in the DETAILS.
Faceless Heroes
Dead and Obscure
Chernobyl Firefighters and Liquidators received some recognition. Their lead-lined caskets buried beneath tombstones emblazoned with ‘They Saved the World’. Some, if memory serves are buried at the Kremlin.
Their Five (5) DEAD Japanese counterparts from Fukushima names are GONE.
These 5 and the MANY others receiving radiation injuries and high radiation doses are, for the present, buried. They have made ‘The Ultimate Sacrifice’ but no recognition.
They are Dead and Obscure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swnCitHs8xs
http://chernobylproject.blogspot.com/
http://chernobylproject.blogspot.com/2011/06/those-who-saved-world.html
http://alexievich.info/knigi/VOICES_FROM_CHERNOBYL.pdf
Was the NRC Misinformed?
Was Karl Feintuch misinformed?
“US to supply Japan with KI doses” [Bullet-8]
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Bullet-8 indicates “US to supply Japan with KI doses.”
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Was Karl Feintuch, of the USA-NRC … ‘misinformed’?
Was the USA-NRC somehow … ‘misinformed’?
Who is the object of these LIES?
Somebody is LYING!
KI IS or IS NOT stockpiled!
Who is being LIED to? Which is it?
A) Homeland Security LYING to the CDC/ProPublica
B) Congress LYING to itself
C) The USA LYING to Japan
D) Japan LYING to the Nippon Citizenry?
E) All of the above
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R41033.pdf
The USA has a credible Strategic ANTI-Radiation Drug Stockpile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us_health_care_system_unprepared_...
The USA does NOT have a credible Strategic ANTI-Radiation Drug Stockpile.
Post 9/11 the federal
Post 9/11 the federal government decided to leave radiological response to the states. FEMA no longer stockpiles KI, the states that have nukes are supposed to stockpile it.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/help/not02367.pdf
The federal stockpile was distributed to various states with nuclear facilities.
http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/emerg-preparedness/about-emerg-preparedness...
But the stockpile's size is determined by how many people live within 10 miles of the existing plants. There won't be enough for everyone in a particular state.
My state at least maintains a stockpile.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/RadiationFAQS2011.aspx
Q. Does California stockpile supplies for such an emergency?
A. California does stockpile emergency supplies, including potassium iodide (KI) tablets. Potassium iodide tablets are not recommended at this time, and can cause significant side effects in people with allergies to iodine or who have thyroid problems. Potassium iodide tablets should not be taken unless directed by authorities. A seafood or shellfish allergy does not necessarily mean that you are allergic to iodine.
As with all emergency preparedness, make your own preparations or hope for the gov to take care of you. The minute you decide you need it everyone else will too and the existing stocks won't be enough for everyone. It's freely available now so buy some and keep it in your emergency kit.
Luckily for us in California the contamination was insignificant and prophylactic measures were not necessary.
Welcome to the cancer club
USA Left Coast,
Welcome to the cancer ward.
Apparently, your governor, news media, and public health department failed to notify you.
Those ANTI-Radiation pills don't do much good in the warehouse.
http://enenews.com/gundersen-people-on-us-west-coast-should-have-used-io...
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/gundersen-people-us-west-coast-sho...
Lucky? Not hardly! Reminds me of the 'lost dog joke'.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042012321
Lost dog! Blind in one eye, missing right ear, tail missing, recently castrated. Answers to name of "Lucky!"
"Those ANTI-Radiation pills
"Those ANTI-Radiation pills don't do much good in the warehouse. "
They don't do much good if there's no significant radiation to protect against either.
"Welcome to the cancer ward. "
20% of people on the west coast are going to die of cancer. That was true before fukushima. It is still true after fukushima. There will be no measurable increase in cancer on the west coast.
BRAWM measurements
The poster that said the pills won't do much good if there's no significant radiation to protect against either is CORRECT.
BRAWM measured the amount of radiation; and it was "in the noise" compared to natural background.
Additionally, KI pills don't protect against just any radiation. KI pills only protect you against uptake of radioactive Iodine-131. The potassium (K) in KI is a congener of iodine; a chemical "cousin". If you take KI and load up your thyroid with potassium, then your thyroid won't want to uptake any Iodine-131 from the environment.
However, Iodine-131 is very short lived. Any Iodine-131 released by Fukushima has decayed to non-radioactive Xenon, a LONG time ago, shortly after the accident.
That's why medical and radiation protection authorities deemed that the use of KI was not needed nor effective.
That is Not WHY
Why?
Obama was hiding the KI supply and LIED about the radionuclide hazard. A candid assessment of the hazard was 'bad for business'.
Large variations in Fukushima radioactive fallout across the Pacific and in the USA.
Boise Idaho, the Cascades and some Pacific Islanders had much higher radionuclide levels than much of the rest of the USA. This variation was due to wind patterns and rain for the most part.
Quit packaging and delivering 'The Big Lie'.
Obama and Romney both favor continued commercial nuclear power. We understand how the money works. We shall have to STOP commercial nuclear power, over their corrupt political efforts.
Mr. Lucky
Mr. 'Lucky'
Your 1st response was 'Lucky & Plucky', with all that 'self-reliance' yak. Now you are fatalistic. That is a MAJOR axis mood swing. Might have your physician look into that 'mood-swing' thing.
Cancer REDUCTION can be achieved.
A) ALARA is Step 1
B) Adequate Response is Step 2 (Government/Media/Individual)
1) Duck/Cover
2) Shield/Filter
3) Decontaminate
4) ANTI-Radiation meds (PRN)
"Cancer REDUCTION can be
"Cancer REDUCTION can be achieved. "
Good luck with that.
It is a start!
Mr. Lucky,
We shall begin our cancer reduction efforts ...
By turning off, the commercial nuclear power reactors.
It is a start!
This nuclear decontamination effort may also herald a path back to truth in science.
It is a start!
Well, if you manage to get
Well, if you manage to get every nuclear reactor in the world shut down you should be able to reduce the cancer mortality rate from 20% ...
... to 20%.
Hate to break it to you but that's not where the money is.
Pack of Lies
Keep those lies coming.
Atmospheric Weapon Tests and nuclear reactor accidents have changed the cancer rates for the worse. A few hundred years of 'clean' will help a great deal.
Many other causes of death have been statistically reduced and/or eliminated. People living longer, with less deaths due to bacteria and preventable viruses.
The cancer death rate will respond as well. A return to HONEST science will help.
It is a start.
WRONG!!!
Courtesy of the Health Physics Society at the University of Michigan:
http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm
Nuclear power ( nuclear fuel cycle in table ) and Fallout from nuclear weapons tests each contributed LESS than 0.03% of the average person's radiation exposure.
Most cancer is NOT from nuclear power nor nuclear weapons radiation.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing that piece of self-serving excrement.
http://247wallst.com/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/
America’s Most Corrupt States
Posted: March 22, 2012 at 6:41 am
Earlier this week, the Center for Public Integrity released a report detailing the risk of corruption and lack of accountability in all 50 states. The findings of the report should worry anyone who believes state governments are transparent and free of corruption.
These are America’s most corrupt states.
8. Michigan
> Overall grade: F (58%)
> Public access to information: D
> Legislative accountability: F
> Political financing: F
> Ethics enforcement agencies: F
Michigan received a grade of F in 10 of the 14 categories measured, including accountability in all three branches of government as well as in redistricting, lobbying and political financing. Michigan is one of just three states that still lacks financial disclosure rules for lawmakers and governors.
Evidently you don't realize where the information came from...
Evidently you don't realize where the information came from...
The State of Michigan had NOTHING to do with compiling the data in that table. It is merely being hosted by a well respected University.
The cited reference tells you where the information came from; if you had bothered to read it:
http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm
The following was developed by the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurement (NCRP 93) and is a breakdown of the sources of radiation for the population of the United States.
The source of the information is the National Council on Radiation Protection:
http://www.ncrponline.org/AboutNCRP/About_NCRP.html
NCRP was chartered by the U.S. Congress in 1964 as the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements.
State Science Institute
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise
The State Science Institute supports ... the State Science Institute.
Whoa, whood-a-thunk-it?
The very NOTION that manmade radionuclides have not degraded life on Planet Earth strains credulity.
No Sale
Team Nuke streams a steady litany of LIES. This is rather obviously ... 1 more lie.
The NCRP is composed of SCIENTISTS..
The NCRP is composed of SCIENTISTS.
http://www.ncrponline.org/
Our Mission
Mission: National Council on Radiation Protection & Measurements (NCRP)
To support radiation protection by providing independent scientific analysis, information, and recommendations that represent the consensus of leading scientists.
If you don't want to listen to the scientists; you can remain STUPID.
Your choice.
Nescience
‘Agenda-Based-Science’ is nescience. The explicit agenda:
http://www.ncrponline.org/Members/Members.html
NCRP Report No. 116 (1993) states that the goals of radiation protection are:
(1) prevent the occurrence of clinically-significant radiation-induced deterministic effects by adhering to dose limits that are below the apparent threshold levels; and
2) limit the risk of cancers in exposed persons to an amount that is acceptable in relation to the benefits … to society from the activities that generate such exposures.
How's about listening to the AMA
Looks like the AMA leans toward ALARA
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2012/06/25/prsa0625.htm
CT orders level off as awareness of radiation risk grows
Urging by physician organizations to think twice before doing imaging studies is having an impact.
By Kevin B. O'Reilly, amednews staff. Posted June 25, 2012.
“Some cancers have been linked to the radiation exposure from CT scans. Meanwhile, a study in the June 13 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association found slowing in CT use at six large HMOs. Overall CT use tripled from about 52 tests per 1,000 patients covered by the HMOs in 1996 to 149 per 1,000 in 2010. Though CT use at the HMOs grew by 10.2% annually between 1998 and 2005, that rate fell to 4.2% from 2005 to 2008 and “tended to flatten around 2007,” the study said.”
"Looks like the AMA leans
"Looks like the AMA leans toward ALARA"
Of course they do, so does the NCRP. The "R" in ALARA stands for reasonable. It is not reasonable to forgo a working source of energy to eliminate a trivial source of radiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation
Fallout 0.007 mSv / year
Medical 0.60 mSv / year
Total, all sources 3.0 mSv / year
So if you got rid of all fallout your yearly radiation dose would go from 3.0 mSv/year to 2.993 mSv / year. Trivial. Insignificant. Negligible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_computed_tomography
A CT scan can give you ~8 mSv. A significant source that you should not get for trivial reasons but only if it's value outweighs the additional risk of cancer.
Average background in Denver - 5 mSv / year
Average background at Sea Level - 2.5 mSv / year.
So, according to you everyone in Denver is going to die of cancer and it should be immediately evacuated.
This is what happens when you let ideology instead of hard numbers guide your decision making process. You wind up spending your time chasing after trivialities and ignoring the elephants in the room.
No
No, you gawd-forsaken (lying) idiot,
Point-1 IS, that the ABSOLUTE risk and RELATIVE risk increase for everybody from sea level to Denver.
And that internal radionuclides, particularly for Alpha and Beta, are FAR more dangerous internally than externally.
And
Point-2 IS that it is TIME to shut those Bad-Boys Down.
Time to ...
'Just Do It'.
It must be quite frustrating
It must be quite frustrating that none of the actual numbers or science supports your position and all you're left with is to endlessly chant, "you're lying ... you're lying ... you're lying"
Frustrating
Frustration,
It MUST be frustrating that in spite of a constant barrage of disInformation, junk-science and propaganda; that multiple NATIONS are dismantling your dangerous, and expensive little toys.
Commercial nuclear power reactors are being treated like the pariahs they are.
You did not sell your soul; as it had no market value.
But you tried.
No bids received on Ebay.
Actually not at all. I long
Actually not at all. I long ago gave up on trying to save the human race from itself.
The price for abandoning this working energy source will eventually be paid. You won't like it when it gets here. Even less than you like having to abandon some contaminated farm land.
in utero exposure
ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS DUE TO EXPOSURE TO IONIZING RADIATION
"For in utero exposure, doses as low as 10 mSv are associated with excess tumors."
http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/doc/csaph/a06csaph2-fulltext.pdf
While the mechanisms that lead to adverse health effects after exposure to ionizing radiation are not fully elucidated, it is clear that such exposure does increase the risk of adverse effects such as cancer, as well as growth and development effects (from exposures in utero) and hereditary disease. The most thoroughly studied effects are those in the survivors of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima atomic bombings. It is important to remember that these survivors were distant from the actual fallout and therefore exposed to lower levels of radiation. While the ionizing radiation examined in these studies is not strictly low-LET radiation, these studies allow a better understanding of the risks associated with exposure to ionizing radiation. At doses between 100 and 4000 mSv, significantly excess tumors have been found in survivors. For in utero exposure, doses as low as 10 mSv are associated with excess tumors. Studies have shown a linear correlation in the number of excess tumors to the dose of the exposure; that is, as the amount of exposure was increased, the number of excess tumors also increased.
Laughing
Great argument, for global warming and data diddling.
I am ALL for honest scientific endeavor, however there are few such efforts within the commercial nuclear power industry.
I have come to the conclusion, that it is necessary to shutter the USA commercial nuclear power fleet as a 1st Step toward scientific integrity.
Too many lies. You are wasting your time.
A hastily concocted pack of lies
A hastily concocted pack of lies
This WaPo story appears to be very poorly cobbled together, with no substantive sourcing. Very unprofessional and ZERO follow up, with respect to the Strategic Drug Stockpile statements. An abandoned federal program would have a proper paper trail, including the Congressional Record. The quotes are not attributed, but were probably accurately reported, though deceptively made. This article has the general appearance of a hastily concocted pack of lies, IMHO.
Details from the Washington Post Article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us_health_care_system_unprepared_...
The U.S. Strategic National Stockpile stopped purchasing the best-known agent to counter radioactive iodine-induced thyroid cancer in young people, potassium iodide, about two years ago and designated the limited remaining quantities “excess,” according to information provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to ProPublica.
The decision to stop stockpiling it was made, in part, because distribution could take too long in a fast-moving emergency, one official involved in the discussions said. The interagency group that governs the stockpile decided that “other preparedness measures were more suitable to mitigate potential exposures to radioactive iodine that would result from a release at a nuclear reactor,” a CDC spokesperson said in an e-mail to ProPublica.”
What a CROCK!
From the Present Resident of the White House
AKA Barry Soetoro, Lord of Lies
No “harmful levels of radiation to reach the West Coast, Hawaii, Alaska, or U.S. territories in the Pacific.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/17/remarks-president-...
“Second, I know that many Americans are also worried about the potential risks to the United States. So I want to be very clear: We do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the United States, whether it’s the West Coast, Hawaii, Alaska, or U.S. territories in the Pacific. Let me repeat that: We do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the West Coast, Hawaii, Alaska, or U.S. territories in the Pacific.”
Again, Left Coasters, Alaskans and Pacific Islanders … Welcome to the Cancer Ward
Oh and ‘God willing’, perhaps we shall soon have an Article II qualified POTUS. Though I am NO Fan of corporate raider Mitt Romney, the present interregnum regime is waxing old. Very Old Indeed!
Misinformed
Was Karl Feintuch misinformed?
“US to supply Japan with KI doses” [Bullet-8]
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Bullet-8 indicates “US to supply Japan with KI doses.”
http://enformable.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Pascarelli-Robert.png
Was Karl Feintuch, of the USA-NRC … ‘misinformed’?
Was the USA-NRC somehow … ‘misinformed’?