The New China Syndrome: Radioactive Drywall

http://open.salon.com/blog/gtigerclaw/2010/04/07/the_new_china_syndrome_...

‘A reporter discovers what appears to be a cover-up of safety hazards at a nuclear power plant and finds herself involved in a sinister conspiracy to cover-up the imminent threat of a meltdown.’ The synopsis for The China Syndrome, a film produced in 1979 that won four Oscars.

However, today, the China Syndrome is a completely different ‘meltdown’ scenario; the exportation of toxic and potentially deadly products by unscrupulous Chinese manufacturers such as:
Deadly, defective tires;
Toxic Fish – substituting poisonous puffer fish for monk fish;
Toxic Thomas the Tank Engine toys;
Toxic antifreeze in baby’s milk;
Toxic children’s overalls;
Deadly electrocution hair driers;
Toxic/Neurotoxic lead in children’s toys and jewelry;
Toxic pet food;
Toxic, radioactive drywall; and
The deadly and toxic Chinese product list goes on-and-on.

It seems that the rule of thumb used in the Chinese manufacturing sector is to generate product as cheaply as possible regardless of the risk to the consumer, that is, until they get caught at it. Even if they get caught, it’s no big deal because the contract will be crafted so that the liability for any defects rests with the wholesale distributors and retailers selling the product to the public.

The reality of the situation is that it’s very easy to get around government safety regulations on imports. All a manufacturer or importer has to do is say their product complies with a countries health and safety standards, and maybe if pressured, hand over a dog-eared document from some nonexistent certifying laboratory with a Shanghai, China address.

In fact, most imported products receive no scrutiny from overseeing government agencies. The agencies simply take the manufactures word that their products comply with health and safety standards. Essentially, it is the responsibility of the wholesale distributors and vendors to assure that the products they sell comply with a country’s health and safety standards.

Presently, the Chinese have the dubious distinction as bring the most prolific exporters of dodgy, deadly, and toxic goods in the world.

Well, as an old investigative environmental journalist, I came across an attention grabber, and I caught the distinct aroma of a dead rotting rat emanating from behind Chinese made drywall. My interest was sparked mainly because there appears to be a whitewash of sorts going on with the product in question, and the product is made from no less than a USEPA listed ‘Naturally Occurring Radioactive Waste Product’ that I know quite a bit about.

The product is Chinese drywall (sheetrock/plasterboard) made from waste phosphogypsum.

Phosphogypsum is waste sludge from the production of wet process phosphate fertilizer. In wet process production, they combine concentrated sulfuric acid with phosphate rock slurry to produce phosphoric acid. After the reaction takes place, there is phosphoric acid and the phosphogypsum waste sludge containing sulfides along with other nasty, carcinogenic contaminants such as Uranium, Cadmium, Arsenic, and Radium - all of which are internationally recognized carcinogens.

According to the World Health Organisation, USEPA, and most other relatively responsible governmental health agencies, there is no safe level of exposure to any carcinogens.

The real bad boy in the phosphogypsum waste is Radium because it decays into Radon which is colorless, odorless, water soluble, radioactive gas linked to lung cancer.

Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in the United States, and scientists estimate that approximately 20,000 lung cancer deaths per year are Radon-related.

All phosphate rock contains radioactive elements, and of course, their parent Uranium no matter where in the world it’s mined.

At one time, the phosphate fertilizer industry produced most all the yellow cake uranium used in the production of nuclear arms and for the nuclear power industry from the phosphogypsum waste. Subsequently, there is no doubt about the fact that the waste phosphogypsum is radioactive.

Curiously, the US Consumer Products Safety Commission stated that the toxic Chinese drywall only showed normal background levels of radiation which is very difficult to believe. But the results of testing for radiation levels in the drywall are totally contingent on the testing method, and for some strange reason, no documents were available describing the methodology.xxc

For instance, if they simply ran a detector over the top of the paper sandwiched drywall, it’s highly likely that they would see low radiation levels, especially the Beta radiation emitted by Radon which doesn’t have much penetration power. But if they powdered the drywall, it would be another story; and if they did a spectral analysis on the powdered sample, it would probably light up like Las Vegas on a moonless night.

Cutting through all the eye-glazing scientific jargon about Alpha and Beta emitters, all natural radioactive materials start out as Uranium and go through what scientists call a ‘decay rate process’ until the Uranium becomes stable (non radioactive) Lead. As it goes through the decay process from radioactive element to element, the type of radiation changes alternately from Alpha to Beta emitters.

Unless you ingest or inhale Beta emitters, they don’t pose much of a threat. But a Beta emitter like Radon continues on decaying, and the big problem with Radon before it becomes stable lead, it evolves to Polonium 210 which is the nastiest progeny of Uranium; Polonium 210 emits 5000 times more Alpha radiation (the type responsible for cancer creation) than Radium.

However, Radon poses a long-term risk, and the adverse health consequences of chronic exposure can take thirty or forty years to manifest themselves. Young children are most at risk.

Now, most all the homes with the toxic Chinese drywall were new-build, energy efficient dwellings – essentially, hermetically sealed toxic exposure chambers.

Studies show that indoor air pollution in energy efficient homes can be five to eight times greater than ambient outdoor air pollution. When it comes to pollutants like hydrogen sulfide and radon gases released from the toxic Chinese drywall, they simply accumulate and permeate the air and everything that will absorb the pollutants in the energy efficient dwelling thus exposing the occupants to high concentrations of airborne toxicants.

Basically, it’s the same method scientific researchers use to perform experiments with Sprague Dawley rats to determine the concentration of a toxic air pollutant the rats can tolerate before they develop malignant lung tumors or produce three headed offspring.

It’s highly possible that in the near future, the remediation of toxic Chinese drywall is going to be as costly as remediation of old homes painted with lead based paint and containing asbestos insulation. Also, in the near future, it’s highly possible that the toxic Chinese drywall will have to be disposed of in a landfill that accepts low-level radioactive waste.

Even today, many landfills will not accept any gypsum drywall.

As far as adverse health effects go, the serious problems will probably start popping up in the next five to ten years, and it will give researchers a chance to grab government grants to find out what went wrong and exterminate thousands more Sprague Dawley rats.

Interestingly, concerns over the potential long-term adverse health consequences of phosphogypsum waste prompted the Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA) to ban it from use in construction in 1989. However, while USEPA banned the use of domestic phosphogypsum waste, there are no regulations against importing the product into the United States as a construction material.

According to law firms handling Toxic Chinese Drywall tort litigation, upward to 80% of Chinese drywall firms make the product with radioactive phosphogypsum waste.

Initially the problem with the toxic Chinese drywall came to light because of the noxious smell due to the high sulfur content. When sulfur comes in contact with ambient moisture in the air, it forms sulfuric acid and/or toxic hydrogen sulfide among other sulfur compounds. The people in homes where the contractors used the toxic Chinese drywall soon experienced the odor of rotten eggs (indicating poisonous hydrogen sulfide gas), and as time went on, problems with electrical wiring and switches manifested themselves because of corrosive fumes. Some people reported electrical shocks and arcing when they flipped on appliance and light switches.

Today, there is a mass of class action lawsuits against the companies and contractors that supplied the toxic Chinese drywall, but the Chinese manufactures walked away with a bundle of cash and without any liability leaving distributors and contractors holding the bag.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission and Department of Housing and Urban Development said some Chinese drywall samples emitted hydrogen sulfide at rates 100 times that of non-Chinese samples. The drywall problem is so serious, both agencies recommended that homes with the toxic Chinese drywall should be “Gutted,” and to remove or replace:
All possible problem drywall;
All fire alarm safety devices, including smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms;
All electrical components and wiring, including outlets, switches and circuit breakers;
All gas service piping and fire suppression sprinkler systems.

Curiously, in the US Centers for Disease Control (USCDC) remediation guidelines, there is no mention of any radioactive contaminant danger to either the workers or residents. However, they do say in the mild-mannered remediation guidelines:

The Task Force is aware that some parties who are remediating homes with problem drywall take certain actions aimed at cleaning the structure during remediation such as the use of HEPA (high efficiency particulate air) vacuums and the ventilation of the home for a period between removal and replacement of drywall.

So, in reality, if you are living in a home lined with sandwiched Chinese radioactive toxic waste, you’re living in a toxic time bomb, and once again, the government is doing everything it can to minimize the potential, long-term health risks.

Well, if all that isn’t bad enough, the Chinese are fastly becoming the primary supplier of fluoride chemicals to fluoridate American drinking water – they supply over 50% of the chemicals used to fluoridate America’s drinking water. The decisions to purchase Chinese fluoridation chemicals are strictly economic, and the Chinese supply the cheapest available products.

Chinese suppliers have to ship the chemicals across the Pacific Ocean and across the United States and still manage to underbid US suppliers!

To an old investigative journalist, there is the overwhelming stench of a dead rat emanating from the water tap.

And yes, once again, the ‘New China Syndrome’ comes into play and my suspicions confirmed. March 10, 2010, WCVT in Massachusetts reported, “Mystery Substance Found in Chinese Fluoride Added to Massachusetts Water.”

Although many cities around the United States have reported similar problems with the cheap Chinese fluoride, USCDC dentists say that no one should worry about the quality because, ‘it’s certified and manufactured to exacting quality standards set forth by the American Water Works Association.’ But a perplexed Amesbury, Massachusetts public works director said the following about the cheap Chinese fluoride, “I don’t know what it is. It’s not soluble, and it doesn’t appear to be sodium fluoride. So we are not quite sure what it is.”

How naïve can a person get, after all, it’s a cheap Chinese import, and no doubt, it’s the dirtiest and probably deadliest product in the world used to fluoridate the American public drinking water – but it’s cheap and also a waste stream product from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer.

As for the Chinese manufacturer, poisoning the 25% of the American population is not a problem, because it not his obligation to insure the quality of the product and accepts no liability on the contract; consequently, he walks away with a pocket full of cash and no responsibility because the liability rests on the shoulders of cities and water companies fluoridating the drinking water.

If you think anyone is watching out for your health and safety when it comes to Chinese imports, think again.

USA Wallboard is used in radiation SHIELDING

USA Wallboard is used in radiation SHIELDING

http://www.ncrponline.org/Publications/Reports/Misc_PDFs/Appendix%20C.pdf

USA Wallboard is used in radiation SHIELDING

No incentive when you kill the nuclear industy...

From above:

At one time, the phosphate fertilizer industry produced most all the yellow cake uranium used in the production of nuclear arms and for the nuclear power industry from the phosphogypsum waste. Subsequently, there is no doubt about the fact that the waste phosphogypsum is radioactive.

As above, if one has an active, thriving nuclear industry; then there is money to be made from capturing all the radioactive material that is NATURAL in phosphates and other ores that are dug out of the ground.

A thriving nuclear industry provides the demand, and hence the money to process the phosphates and remove the radioactive materials for use by the nuclear industry.

However, if you kill off the nuclear industry, there is no demand for those radioactive materials, and hence no funding to remove the naturally radioactive material from the natural ores.

Therefore, those radioactive materials find themselves in the products made from those natural ores. This is another case of the "do gooders" that shut down the nuclear industry because they don't like radioactive materials; and the result is just the opposite of what they intend. We have more natural radioactive material in the products we use everyday because the so called "do gooders" removed the demand for the radioactive materials by killing the industry that could make use of those materials under controlled conditions.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Oh Hail No Sale

Building Materials 101

As indicated earlier, USA manufactured wallboard is and has always been a GYPSUM product.

With respect to phosphate products, here is a LONG list of phosphate products. Only a few of these are Uranyl (uranium-containing) phosphates.

http://www.galleries.com/Phosphates

Similarly calcium carbonate COULD be used for wallboard applications, but is not, to the best of my understanding.

The Uranyls are, for the most part, mined FOR the uranium, not for the fertilizer, again, to my present understanding.

Your reasoning would therefore be CIRCULAR in nature. The processed WASTE still contains residual radioactive uranium.

Circular 'reasoning' won't get it. Perhaps you can provide a better argument, with some evidence, backing your point.

US-made Gypsum is radioactive too!!!


As indicated earlier, USA manufactured wallboard is and has always been a GYPSUM product.

Do you think that only the Gypsum from China is radioactive?

US-made Gypsum is also radioactive:

http://www.coloradomining.org/mc_miningfacts.php

You can find trace quantities of Uranium in most ores. Coal contains Uranium, and the burning of coal is responsible for putting large quantities of alpha-emitting radioactive material in our air:

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html

In fact, Uranium is one of the most UNIFORMLY distributed elements in the Earth's crust.

Vainly Searching for the word Radioactive

Rude Dog you LYING Robotic hound

Example USG MSD Sheet - the word radioactive does not even appear

http://www.nationalgypsum.com/File/msds01003.pdf

Keep looking you lying POS ...

http://www.nationalgypsum.com/

U.S. Made Gypsum is radioactive as well, you are correct.

Having been Poisoned by United States Gypsum Drywall, and having family that worked in the mining industry for over 30 years, there is absolutely radioactive material within all gypsum. We live not 25 miles from one of the largest phosphogypsum stacks that I know of. Having said that, whether it is radioactive from the United States mined gypsum or the radioactive gypsum brought in from China, the gentleman or woman that wrote the story about Chinese drywall or gypsum is correct and I do not care how everyone spins in, it does have to be broken down and tested. The "scanning" is made to find no fault and as far as the Consumer Product Safety Commission is concerned, they could care less about the American people as it relates to Chinese or Domestic manufactured poisoned/toxic/reactive/defective/radioactive drywall. Whatever name they choose to put on it. At first it was named Chinese, now the latest is I believe "problematic" because they know American Made Drywall is bad as well.

They would never admit that there is radioactive material within the drywall, American Made or Chinese because of mass hysteria. You only have to look to the bleeding lungs and noses of not only myself but thousands, Men , Woman and Children. Yes, the Poisons we tested positive for, Carbonyl Sulfide, Carbon Disulfide, strontium....supposedly stable, etc ..could cause this and very well could be one of many culprits. I think the writer is right on the money but also needs to include American Made Drywall....as a Victim of this, we know first hand ! It is all a huge cover-up and one only has to look to the guidelines of the EPA, in 2003 if I am not mistaken that began to allow 30% of every drywall board to be recycled. This is scary as to the issue of Chinese drywall and used drywall introduced into our so called pristine board. We also have to look to the mining in China and that the raw gypsum is still being shipped in to the U.S., so if you bought, remodeled or built a home or condo etc., between 2000 until current, just watch your health, watch for what appears to be sinus, allergies, etc.....it could very well be the offgassing or possible radioactive material but for us escalated to hospitalizations and near death with damage remaining. Joseph and Julie Mraz Jr. Oh, and watch for short sales.......

Evidence - not a shred

The ChiComs are shipping Uranyl Phosphates

The USA manufacturers use non-radioactive depositional gypsum

Tu quoque ( /tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/),[1] (Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency, and not the position presented. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument.[3]

The Tu Quoque argument works a little better when you are telling the truth.

No evidence

LoserLiar,

You offered no evidence to support your allegation that USA manufactured Gypsum Wall board building products contain any, much less significant levels of uranium.

Then you take off on the Red Herring about radioactive content in SOME coal deposits.

Coal deposits do not contain Plutonium or radioactive Cesium and/or radioactive iodine.

And of course, it is quite easy to clean up the coal burning power plants.

Pants on Fire

Idiot anti-nuke telling made up LIES

Once again the anti-nukes demonstrate how devoid they are of mental capacity.

The above idiot wishes us to believe that US Gypsum is somehow free of radioactivity, while Chinese Gypsum is not. When the Earth was formed billions of years ago, and these deposits where laid down; the laws of Physics didn't care which nations would sprout up on what land.

The idiot above also doesn't realize that the alpha radiation from Uranium and Thorium is just as bad as that from Plutonium. Plutonium just gets the anti-nuke hype.

Anywhere you find Uranium, you can also find Plutonium in trace quantities. Plutonium is made via the absorption of a neutron by Uranium. Cosmic rays interacting with the Earth's atmosphere give us free neutrons which you can detect anywhere. If you have any Uranium, including that in ore deposits, it can absorb a neutron and give us trace quantities of Plutonium.

The moron above demonstrates the lack of appreciation of the problem with burning coal. Coal turns into CO2; a greenhouse gas. Every 12 tons of coal burns with 32 tons of oxygen to give us 44 tons of CO2. Since CO2 is a gas; the density is about 1000X less than solid; and hence the volume goes up by a factor of 1000. Because of the extremely large volumes of CO2 given off by coal power plants; it's not easy to cleanup; counter to the ill-informed and just downright stupid contention of the poster above.

Because the nuclear force is a million times more powerful than the chemical (Coulomb) force; nuclear power gives us a million times more energy for the same mass. Equivalently, we get the same amount of energy for one-millionth the mass of fuel with nuclear. So the amount of nuclear waste is rather small for the energy we get.

If the idiot anti-nukes would not oppose reprocessing / recycling; then the nuclear waste problem can be turned into a short term problem as described by nuclear physicist Dr. Charles Till of Argonne in the following interview:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html

A: Eventually, what happens is that you wind up with only fission products, that the waste is only fission products that have, most have lives of hours, days, months, some a few tens of years. There are a few very long-lived ones that are not very radioactive.

Another Lie

Not one gram

No (net) plutonium is consumed by 'recycling'. The percentage 'used' from the plutonium portion of the MOX is replaced by the reactor uranium fuel component.

The hole just keeps getting deeper; so it is time to 'Quit Digging'.

In My Humble Opinion

The ABSOLUTE and TOTAL lack of candor from the nuclear power industry, precludes their future existence. Shut them down. Shut them ALL down.

DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!


No (net) plutonium is consumed by 'recycling'. The percentage 'used' from the plutonium portion of the MOX is replaced by the reactor uranium fuel component.

That's like saying you aren't burning any unburned wood by recycling unburned wood back into your fireplace when you clean out the ashes. You would say, "...the percentage of unburned recycled wood is replaced by the fresh wood component".

Anybody who has / used a fireplace knows that the above analogy would be untrue.

However, thanks again for showing us that the anti-nukes have absolutely no shame in lying and will make up / fabricate any statement as above to support their case.

The least you could have done was show us mathematically why your assertion is true. ( Except the mathematics won't uphold it ).

Vacuous, self-serving assertions without even a plausibility argument, much less a proof, are not persuasive for the intelligent reader.

ONLY the LIES are recycled

Rude Dog Returns?

Rude Dog, the lying LOSER! You grant the assertion in line 1. The analogy of the Franklin wood burning stove serves HALF the purpose.

No NET plutonium is consumed by the use of MOX! We BOTH know it. The casual reader can 'take it to the bank'.

The percentage plutonium (240) remains CONSTANT in a MOX fuel assembly. From 'fresh out of the box', to 'spent fuel' the plutonium content of the assembly remains approximately constant.

The industrial supply of plutonium-240 does not decline by 1 gram.

ONLY LIES are recycled by the nuclear power industry!

WRONG BONEHEAD!!!

For someone who didn't even understand that hot materials are incandescent and emit electromagnetic radiation of many frequencies instead of your vacuous and incorrect claims that all photon sources were monochromatic; I hardly expect that you have run the computer programs that calculate burn-up in reactors.

You are NOT a scientist nor engineer. You didn't know what you were talking about then; and you don't know what you are talking about now. You just fabricate lies as ignorant pablum for the idiots that are stupid enough to listen to you.

Hey dickweed

Rude Dog

Photon energies are baby simple stuff, even for you.

The NUKERS problem is that WE, the cognizant, have gotten off the bus.

Any casual reader can tell that we both took the classes and did the math. They can also easily determine that you are a habitual LIAR.

The gawdam stupid Liberal Arts majors, frat rats and jocks can tell you are a pathologic liar. Hell, even the fine arts majors and elementary education majors understand that there is something 'ishy' about you NUKERS.

Lie on, lying liar

No One Is Listening

WRONG AGAIN, MORON!!!!

The anti-nuke moron stated:

Photon energies are baby simple stuff, even for you...
Any casual reader can tell that we both took the classes and did the math.

Yes - photon energies are baby simple; but you got it 100% WRONG you moronic imbecile!!! You certainly didn't take the same classes I did. Remember, I have a PhD in Physics from MIT, and I before I retired, I taught Physics at both the University of Michigan and MIT. You have yet to display a knowledge of science above that of the elementary school level.

To bring the other readers up to date; ,my last discussion with this idiot centered around what information we could discern from the radiation / light that came from the Unit 3 explosion. Contrary to the lame protestations of the anti-nuke airhead that the instrumentation at Fukushima wasn't working; there is information to be garnered from the light of the explosion. After all, astronomers know all they do about the cosmos, not from instrumentation, but what can be deduced from the light / radiation they collect.

The idiot and I were discussing the light emitted due to "thermal radiation":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_radiation

I stated that the thermal radiation was correlated by the Planck spectrum. Our little "know nothing" imbecilic anti-nuke claimed that there was no correlation in the radiation in the following post:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/fukushima-62712-record-radiation-l...

Emission at one frequency does NOT in any general physical fashion, cause the emission of ANY, much less ALL lower frequencies. Your assertion is as SILLY as suggesting that a blue LED, on a Christmas light string, emits yellow, orange and red light. It does not. It only emits a narrow spectrum of blue light.

This has got to be, if not the STUPIDEST post I've seen here, it is at least in the top two. We were discussing "thermal radiation" from an explosion and the little moron posts an analogy to a blue LED. LEDs don't work on the "thermal radiation" principle. The analogy is INAPT as well as being INEPT. If the little moron had used an incandescent light as an analogy; his MISTAKE might have been avoided.

Additionally, what type of inane "logic" is it to say that since blue LEDs emit in a narrow spectrum, that prohibits anything else that works on a different principle from emitting in a broad spectrum. It's like saying because a battery gives you DIRECT current; then it is impossible to make a rotating generator that gives you ALTERNATING current.

The little moron has absolutely no powers of reason, whatsoever!

However, as anyone who has take high school physics knows; thermal radiation is broad band and is correlated via the Planck spectrum. Courtesy of the Physics Dept. at Georgia State University; we have these plots of the broad band spectra for various temperatures:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/bbrc.html#c1

The above conclusively DISPROVES the ignorant, vacuous statements made by our idiot anti-nuke.

Have you noticed that the idiot's MO is merely to call people who disagree with him liars without any substantiation whatsoever? Even I demonstrate the authenticity of the statements I present with references to authoritative sources.

Not so with our little idiot. The moron just calls everything he disagrees with a lie; with no explanation to justify the charge. When he does give us an explanation, or an attempt at same, he merely ASSERTS physical principles without justification or authoritative cites; and his assertions, like the one above, are ALWAYS WRONG.

But please do continue to provide for our reading audience a clear demonstration of the characteristics of that sub-human and inferior species, stupidus maximus, also known as the "anti-nuke".

Contraexample

Dipstick RudeDog,

Anyone with a grade school level understanding of math and science KNOWS that a single contraexample negates a general statement.

I provided two, (2) contraexamples to the assertions of your original post, 1) Scotch Tape and 2) LEDs. Only a fool would come back for more, following an existential buttkicking.

Apparently you qualify

Rage On, LYING FOOL.

Certainly, I made no general statements against thermal radiation observations.

Rage On, LYING FOOL.

MORE PROOF of STUPIDITY!!!

First, the word is not "contraexample". The word is "counter-example".

Evidently you are too damn STUPID to know the difference between an example and a counter-example. A counter-example just by the nature of its existence DISPROVES a statement.

For example, if I had said ALL LEDs are RED; then a Blue LED would be a counter-example because I said ALL LEDs are RED and a Blue LED isn't reIf d.

However, you deplorable MORON; the existence of a Blue LED or the example about the tape; don't "DISPROVE" anything I said about thermal emission X-rays.

You really are a laughable contemptible FOOL for suggesting it does.

If you want to see a counter-example; then I'll show you a counter-example.
Let's take your statement from a previous post that I reference above:

Emission at one frequency does NOT in any general physical fashion, cause the emission of ANY, much less ALL lower frequencies. Your assertion is as SILLY...

Now we look at the webpage on thermal emission courtesy of the Physics Dept. at Georgia State University:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/bbrc.html#c1

For various temperatures, the Physic Dept at GSU has plotted a SPECTRUM. That spectrum shows you ALL the different wavelengths / frequencies that an object at that temperature radiates.

Do you know how to read a graph? ( I have to ask someone with your deplorable lack of intellect. )

You see that at a temperature of 6000 K that the peak of the emission is at a wavelength of 500 nm which would be a frequency of 6e+14 Hz ( 3e+08 m/s / 500e-09 m ), which is in the blue portion of the visible spectrum according to the graph. However according to the graph, if the power density in the blue is "10" in the unit used, then the power is "9" in the green, "8.5" in the yellow, and "7.5" in the red and so on to high wavelengths and lower frequencies. In fact, it fits the equation for Planck's spectrum.

Therefore, the emission at the blue, green, yellow, red, and in fact ALL frequencies greater than the peak frequency, ARE all CORRELATED!!!

That is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the asinine statement you made quoted above that the emission at one frequency didn't affect the emission at other frequencies.

Since this is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION of your statement; it is therefore a counter-example.

The problem with you, dumbo; is that your ego is writing checks that your intellect can't cash. Like all the anti-nukes I've run across; you are so damn self-righteous and with a big ego that you are some type of strong intellect; when, in reality; your intelligence and knowledge is at the level of a "D" student in elementary school.

You "think" ( term used loosely ) that you "won" the prior discussion and "kicked my butt"; when that is a TOTAL DELUSION on your part.

You lost miserably. The fact that you don't recognize that and learn from your MISTAKES means that you will NEVER get any better.

You will remain the same deplorable and pathetic weak intellect that you are now.

To all those people out there that are trying to decide which side of the nuclear power debate to be on; do you really want to be on the same side as this moron? Think about it.

3e8 / 5e-7 = .6e15 = 6e14

Rude Dog, the Lying Fool

AKA idiot savant

Well, now, shall we get down to cases

Black Body Radiation is a mathematical construct, useful for modeling some SIMPLE aspects of thermal emissions.

The Black Body mathematical construct, like all mathematical constructs, glosses over a LOT of physical reality. For example, since we are on the subject of photons and photon energies, they are discrete and NOT continuous.

REAL physical materials, such as a solid platinum, gold or silver sphere, heated from the inside, DO NOT act according to Black Body emission descriptions. There is an identifiable emission spectrum. That is how things ACTUALLY WORK, in the REAL WORLD.

I have some reservations about deconstructing the Rude Dog persona. Perhaps he WAS, in the past, a gifted, credentialed physicist and has merely succumbed to the onslaughts of age. Or perhaps he has always been autistic (idiot-savant). In either event, the Rude Dog is 'not quite right', in his head.

Move on, old man

...and the STUPIDITY keeps on coming...

The anti-nuke states:
The Black Body mathematical construct, like all mathematical constructs, glosses over a LOT of physical reality. For example, since we are on the subject of photons and photon energies, they are discrete and NOT continuous.

Hey IDIOT!!!

When this stupid moron find himself in a hole, he doesn't know when to quit. Instead, he starts to dig the hole even deeper by saying something else that demonstrates that this idiot is totally clueless about the Physics.

The Planck spectrum to which I've been referring WAS derived via quantum mechanics and discrete photon energies. I refer to the following online lecture notes for the course Physics 201 at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia:

http://physics.mq.edu.au/~jcresser/Phys201/LectureNotes/EarlyHistory.pdf

If one assumes that photon energies were continuous, one derives the classical Raleigh-Jeans spectrum. However, the Raleigh-Jeans spectrum does not correctly express the proper electromagnetic spectrum. In addition, it suffers from the pathology that it is not finite integrable which leads to the "ultraviolet catastrophe" with objects of finite temperature essentially radiating infinite amounts of energy.

Planck took into account the fact that photon energies were indeed discrete or "quantized" when he derived the Planck spectrum. Quoting from the above paper at Chapter 2 Page 8:

...Planck proposed that atoms making up an object absorbed and emitted light of frequency f in multiples of a fundamental unit of energy, or quantum of energy E = hf. On the basis of this assumption, he was able to show that the spectral distribution function took the form...

Hence the formula that our idiot anti-nuke is complaining about was actually derived using the postulate that the photon energies are discrete.

While this moron is picking nits, he forgets what the original purpose of this discussion was; which is to identify the temperature of the Unit 3 fireball.

The original purpose was to determine if the fireball temperature was 10s of Millions of degrees K; in which case the explosion would by necessity be nuclear. Or was the fireball temperature only a few thousand degrees K, in which case, it would be due to chemical combustion.

That's over 4 orders of magnitude in difference. We don't have to determine the temperature to some large number of significant figures necessitating a complete energy level by energy level transfer calculation. We only have to discriminate between two temperatures that differ by 4 orders of magnitude. Therefore, the black body approximation suffices

As stated previously, true nuclear explosions have a temperature of 10s of millions of degrees, and radiate most strongly in the X-ray regime. ( That's how they are able to trigger thermonuclear fusion bombs ) Again, since a nuclear explosion is thermally radiating most strongly in the X-ray regime; it is also radiating in all the frequencies lower than the X-ray regime. Therefore, it is radiating all frequencies of visible light; and hence such radiation would appear to be white in color to the human eye.

Chemical explosions are not as hot. They typically radiate at temperatures of a few thousand degrees K. An object of a few thousand degrees K can not significantly radiate the violets, blues, and greens. They radiate the lower frequencies of visible light; and hence would appear to be yellow in color.

So our analysis establishes that nuclear explosions radiate brilliant white; while chemical explosions radiate yellow fireballs. I now refer to the video of the Unit 3 explosion one finds at the fairewinds website with the voice-over by Arnie Gunderson. ( This was the video in which Gunderson claimed the Unit 3 explosion was a nuclear explosion that started this controversy ). However, Gunderson is "hoisted on his own petard" when we hear him identify the fireball as yellow in color; which is consistent with a chemical explosion of hydrogen.

Atomic Explosion

Fukushima Daiichi Reactor #3 atomic explosion

All or most of the Energy Phase of the MOX Fueled atomic explosion apparently occurred inside the nuclear reactor.

The Power Phase of the Atomic Explosion appears to have blown the lid off Reactor-3, several thousand feet into the air, and substantially damaged Unit-4. It also blasted debris into the HQ at the complex.

This atomic explosion created a substantial portion of the NASTY radioactive fallout, which the CTBO, Japan, TEPCO, USA and the E&C Contractors do not wish to discuss.

The Japanese, over a wide radius, particularly the children are getting sicker by the day.

The health problems will persist for generations untold.

The Atomic Explosion in Fukushima Daiichi Unit #3 gives ample WARNING to the USA, to put this ill advised project DOWN.

NONSENSE

One can't have a nuclear explosion unless one has a chemical explosion to compress the bomb fuel to the high densities required. The above poster postulates that the nuclear explosion happens within the reactor vessel evidently with hydrogen as the chemical explosion fuel. This is the same scenario as happened at Three Mile Island Unit 2 with concern over the "hydrogen bubble". However, the concern about a hydrogen bubble explosion evaporated when it was discovered that such a hydrogen explosion within the reactor vessel could NOT happen! From PBS American Experience episode on the Three Mile Island accident:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/three/peopleevents/pandeAMEX88.html

"On Sunday afternoon, while Carter was still there, Victor Stello found the proof he needed. They discovered that Mattson and his team of consultants had been using the wrong formula to determine the risk posed by the hydrogen bubble. Stello concluded that "hydrogen under pressure will prevent water from breaking apart into hydrogen and oxygen because it will tend to suppress the creation of more hydrogen. Without free oxygen, there can be no explosion."

Hence there can be NO nuclear explosion, "energy phase" [sic] or whatever within the reactor vessel because there is no free oxygen to combine with the hydrogen for the chemical explosion that implodes the nuclear fuel.

Once again the anti-nukes STRIKE OUT on the science.

Frigging Stupid

Rude Dog, you LYING 'BOT

Certainly an atomic detonation can be triggered without the use of chemical explosives.

You are really quite stupid, entirely dumb as a brick.

Chemical explosives are a practical solution, suitable for aerial delivery weapons, but NOT a unique physical solution.

I'll leave it at that, without construction details, particularly since an 82 year old nun has provably raided the US nuclear weapon grade U-235 cache. We would not want the parish youth choir to have a CRYSTAL CLEAR understanding of the nuclear detonation process.

Undefined NONSENSE from a complete MORON

The complete MORON writes:

All or most of the Energy Phase of the MOX Fueled atomic explosion apparently occurred inside the nuclear reactor.

The Power Phase of the Atomic Explosion appears to have blown the lid off Reactor-3,

Our little anti-nuclear IDIOT is making up things to compensate for his complete ignorance.

What, pray tell, are the "Energy Phase" and "Power Phase" of a nuclear explosion?? What differentiates these two phases? Is it an event or time in the process? Why would one make such a distinction, and why name them "energy phase" and "power phase". Since power is merely the temporal derivative of energy; if one is generating energy, one can define a power; and visa-versa.

In truth of the matter; there isn't an "energy phase" and a "power phase" to a nuclear explosion. This is just made up garbage from this complete MORON vainly attempting to sound smart. In actuality, he's a deplorable IDIOT.

Additionally, as has been shown here; the Unit 3 explosion was merely a chemical explosion with hydrogen gas release via the oxidation of zirconium with water.

Some "nuclear explosion" that doesn't even take down the structural steel of the building in which this "nuclear explosion" took place.

AI

Rude Dog, the Lying Fool, and high functioning Autistic,

Your AI (robotic) assignments were to:

A) Locate and learn about two aspects (E & P) of nuclear explosions.

And to

B) Quit droning on so stupidly about continuous photon frequencies.

You have not completed Assignment A yet.

This exchange is rather playing computer chess with an ill mannered collection of wires. You eventually pass, but bore us immensely, during your learning phase. Move on!

WRONG AGAIN, MORON!!!!

The only references that I have found to the "energy phase" and "power phase" of a nuclear explosion are asinine statements that YOU have made on this forum.

I don't find the terms "energy phase" and "power phase" used in ANY papers / reports from either Los Alamos or Lawrence Livermore National Labs. Those are the people that REALLY KNOW as much as anyone about nuclear explosions because they design the devices that create them.

However, these experts in nuclear explosions don't use the terms "energy phase" and "power phase".

That's because "energy phase" and "power phase" are just terms that YOU made up.

Therefore, since you made them up; it is incumbent on you to define these terms.

Keep Looking

Rude Dog,

Your incompetence is showing. You have been given a BASIC physics assignment regarding the Energy Phase and Power Phase of a nuclear explosion. The subject HAS been available, on a declassified basis, for some time.

Keep Looking, you robotic moron. Or, in the alternate, just THINK about it, if you are capable.

Quit WHINING!

Dig up a bone, Robot-Dog!

Our PATHETIC MORON returns.. and with a SILLY request..

The PATHETIC MORON returns with a SILLY request.

This idiot MADE-UP the terms "Energy Phase" and "Power Phase" when applied to a nuclear explosion. These terms are NEVER USED by the professional scientists at Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore that actually design nuclear weapons and deal with how to make nuclear explosions.

Why should I have to research and define something that our local forum IDIOT has MADE-UP with absolutely no understanding in the slightest?

Our local moron claims that these terms are declassified and publicly available; yet when one searches on Google for "nuclear explosion" and "energy phase" or "power phase"; the only references of these terms to nuclear explosions found are the postings on this forum by this idiot.

Additionally, "energy phase" and "power phase" are strange terms to denote different phases since the two quantities are related; one is the derivative of the other.

It would be like saying there are two phases to driving your car - the "motion phase" and the "speed phase". If your car is in motion, then it also has speed; the two go together. So they can't distinguish between different phases.

This TOTALLY INEPT MORON made a bad choice for his made up terms; and now he needs someone else to explain it.

If you know about this; then explain it. ( After all, you made it up...)

But I do enjoy seeing the anti-nukes make such idiots of themselves. It just goes to prove that they have zero understanding of this subject, and are merely pursuing their own self-righteous, self-important agenda.

They think with their politics instead of their brains.

classified, de, re, un

Rude Dog the robotic LIAR returns

It is laughable, when ...

When some insulting, stupid ... LIAR, such as the Rude Dog, BEGS for references upon the flimsy pretext of comity, professional courtesy and/or Robert's Rules of Order.

It is of no concern to me, if Rude Dog can or cannot locate long-standing observations and/or descriptions of atomic blasts.

It is similarly of no particular concern when such matters have been classified, declassified, reclassified, unclassified and so-on and so forth. Recently, SOME long-declassified subjects have been reclassified. Perhaps atomic explosion mechanics are among those subjects. Such actions amount to 'closing the barn door after the cows get out'.

Bugger Off, Rude Dog ... you don't know JACK and apparently never will.

Perhaps you can't spell or perhaps Google has been paid to drop the subject out of sight. I am not interested in the Google business model or revinue streams. Nor do the ineffectual efforts of Rude Dog concern me.

BOGUS recycle plan

Go sell your BOGUS recycle plan to Japan and Ukraine

The (recycled) MOX Fuel in Fukushima-3 resulted in an Atomic Explosion. Tons of nuclear fuel were 'scattered to the winds' as a result of 'recycling' of reactor grade plutonium.

The Japanese have created millions of acres of Oceanic Wasteland and destroyed their ancestral homeland as a direct result of (nuclear) recycling.

That is quite enough evidence, for me.

WHOA!!! Hold it right there...

The so-called "bogus" recycle plan isn't due to the above poster. The poster citing the plan cited an authoritative source in one Dr. Charles Till, Associate Director of Argonne National Lab. Dr. Till is an acknowledged expert in the field. Dr. Till is an eminent scientist, and was even honored by the US Senate on the occasion of his retirement. ( See Congressional Record: Nov. 6, 1997 (Senate)
Page S11890-S11891)

So the recycle plan is due to a doctorate level scientist, with an eminent history of research and leadership at one of the Dept. of Energy national laboratories.

Do we have verification of similar level of educational achievement from the anti-nukes? Do we have verification of a similar level of research achievement from the anti-nukes? NO - they've only demonstrated that they know how to complain.

..and complain they do. They complain about the presence of Plutonium in the Unit 3 reactor. Evidently the anti-nukes don't realize that reactors have Plutonium in them whether or not they are fueled with MOX. Where do they think the MOX comes from?

MOX is made from the spent fuel of reactors. It is analogous to recycling unburned wood back into the grate when you clean your fireplace. Complaining about Plutonium in a reactor is akin to complaining about unburned wood in a fireplace. DUH!!!

The anti-nukes complain about the mere existence of Plutonium. They also complain about the one way we have to destroy Plutonium; and that is to burn it as reactor fuel, i.e. MOX. One can't have it both ways. One can't complain about having the stuff, and also complain about the one way to get rid of it.

Of course, the typical anti-nuke answers that by saying they never wanted it made in the first place. Unfortunately for them, that ship has sailed. It does absolutely no good to say you want to turn back the hands of time. That's not a solution to anything. A previous generation decided that we would have nuclear power, so Plutonium exists. Now what do you want to do with it? Do you want to get rid of it by burning it as fuel, which means MOX. Or do you want to store it for many thousands of years, which means a facility like Yucca Mountain?

The anti-nukes also demonstrate they have little, if any; understanding of nuclear explosions. The experts in nuclear explosions, the nuclear weapons labs, as well as the nuclear explosion "police force" the CTBTO - Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, have said that the measured fallout had the signature of a reactor byproducts from an accident as opposed to the signature of a nuclear explosion:

http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/highlights/2011/fukushima-related-meas...

The CTBTO’s monitoring system, custom-tailored to detecting nuclear explosions, can detect a range of radioactive isotopes, among them Iodine-131 and Caesium-137. Looking at the ratios between the various radioactive isotopes – in particular Caesium-137 – enables the source of the emission to be identified. In the case of the current readings, findings clearly indicate radionuclide releases from a damaged nuclear power plant, which is consistent with the recent accident at Fukushima in Japan.

Who should the intelligent reader believe? Should the intelligent reader believe the scientists who tell us the explosion was non-nuclear?

Or should the intelligent reader believe the anti-nukes who have demonstrated essentially ZERO expertise in the science, as demonstrated here numerous times.

Additionally, the Unit 3 explosion didn't even level the building in which the explosion took place. It blew out the side panels, but the skeleton of the building remains.

Contrast that with the aftermath of a real nuclear explosion like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There the skeletons of the buildings of an entire city were leveled.

Evidently the anti-nukes can't appreciate the difference of several orders of magnitude between those events.

More Horsesht

Cesium 134 Defines Fukushima by its 2 year half life

There is no measurable Cs-134 left from Chernobyl and/or atmospheric testing.

Cesium137 has been scattered everywhere by hundreds of sources.

Just one more CROCK of lying horsesht from a morally bankrupt nuclear power industry.

Every word from the above poster is deceptive, and he convinces Nobody.

More random missives from the uneducated anti-nukes...


"Cesium 134 Defines Fukushima by its 2 year half life"

By what inane logic does that allow one to conclude that Unit 3 was a nuclear explosion?????

We know the background levels of Cs-134 and Cs-137 before the Fukushima accident; so we can correct recent measurements for non-Fukushima related radioactivity. The correction for Cs-134 is essentially zero since the Cs-134 from nuclear testing and Chernobyl has decayed. However, even with Cs-137; we know those levels pre-Fukushima and can subtract that background off of post-Fukushima measurements.

However, the question remains how the fallout can help determine if the Unit 3 explosion were nuclear or chemical in origin.

The question is when was that Cs-134 / Cs-137 made. Was the Cs-134 / Cs-137 made in the reactor prior to the accident, and then a hydrogen explosion dispersed it? Or was there a nuclear explosion that produced Cs-134 and Cs-137 and dispersed them.

One can determine whether the Cesium fallout was previously made in the reactor or was made in a nuclear explosion by looking at the ratios of concentrations of Cesium fallout and other fission products.

A power reactor operates with a thermal or slow neutron spectrum. Of necessity, a nuclear explosion works with a fast neutron spectrum. The distribution of fission products is dependent on the spectrum of the incident neutrons. Therefore, the ratio of the Cesium fallout concentration to the concentration from another fission product will give different ratios depending on whether the incident neutrons were in a slow ( reactor ) spectrum, or a fast ( bomb ) spectrum.

That's the measurement / calculation that CTBTO did. They are specifically set up to do that because that is how CTBTO will police the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. A country wishing to clandestinely develop / test nuclear weapons could conduct a nuclear bomb test, and when the fallout is detected, they could claim it was a reactor accident. How can CTBTO prove that the
country conducted an illegal nuclear test? By the method above. A reactor accident gives one value of the ratio, a bomb gives another value.

For Fukushima, CTBTO reports that the ratios of fission products detected from Fukushima are consistent with a release from a reactor, and not as a result of a bomb. Therefore, Fukushima Unit 3 did not have a nuclear explosion. It was a chemical, i.e. hydrogen explosion that dispersed fission products that were made during the operation of the reactor prior to the accident.

I'm under no illusion that the above poster will understand this explanation. The above poster doesn't have the mental capacity to understand it; and is too busy and too wrapped up in self-serving hate for the nuclear industry to make any attempt at understanding the science.

Half truths and half filled reactors

BS Artist

Fukushima-3 was NOT full of water, therefore the neutrons were traveling at fast, slow and medium. The half-full & half empty reactor was pouring water out the bottom as the melting corium melted through the bottom of the reactor vessel and then the containment vessel; then through the concrete floor into the ground water table. Then there was the superheated steam gushing out everywhere.

The 'intact reactor' model just simply does not apply to the reality of the Fukushima-3 Hellish circumstances.

You don't know Jack and never will. And you lie (poorly) about what little you think that you know. Physics is about ruthless reality. You are a BS artist, and would not make a pimple on a physicist's butt.

CTBO, Japan and the USA concealed the real-time measurement data because they could NOT deal with the reality of what they had wrought.

Fukushima was CLEARLY an atomic explosion!

Kah Ahh BOOOM!

Poor Reading Comprension from the little idiot

This abject moron claims above that I'm using an "intact reactor" model.

I've said no such thing. I've said that the CTBTO results show us that the fission products released where created in the reactor BEFORE the accident.
The intelligent reader can clearly see that I'm talking about the production of fallout in the reactor BEFORE the accident, when the reactor was indeed intact.

I don't know what this moron uses for brains; but one can clearly see that his mental "powers" are so muddled that he has interpreted that I'm saying the reactor was intact after the accident. I've made no such assumption.

The CTBTO detected fission products were made in the reactor BEFORE the accident. Those fission products don't magically go away during the accident. Those fission products escaped the reactor. ( Is that making an "intact reactor" assumption by saying they escaped???? What is the moron "thinking" )

The chemical explosion of hydrogen gas produced by the oxidation of the zirconium cladding dispersed the fission products into the environment.

CTBTO collected some of that fallout.

During the accident, and before CTBTO release their results; the anti-nukes were saying, "Just wait until we get the CTBTO results. They'll show the explosion was nuclear." However, when CTBTO released their results, it wasn't what the anti-nukes hoped.

Therefore, the CTBTO has to be "in" on the cover-up; and they have to play these stupid little word games, like the dullard above.

Sorry dimbulb; you aren't going to be able to rewrite history. Truth shall prevail.

Cover UP

Rude Dog, you lying hound ...

Are you DAFT?

CTBO, USA, Japan & TEPCO collected DATA in Real Time

They did NOT release the collected DATA

They STILL have not released the collected DATA

Japan would NOT allow NGO groups anywhere near the Fukushima Daiichi Complex

DUH

Well of Course that is a 'cover up' ... Oh and thanks for bringing it up.

You must be getting a pretty darned good fee for this level of undignified LYING. Or you are desperate for cash.

It must really SUCK to be you, except for payday

SO WHAT, MORON!!!


Japan would NOT allow NGO groups anywhere near the Fukushima Daiichi Complex

Japan didn't allow BRAWM to go anywhere near Fukushima Daiichi either; and look at all the useful information that we have gotten from BRAWM.

I still don't understand why you are so suspicious of scientists, and scientists that work for the United Nations, such as those at CTBTO.

Your asinine demands that CTBTO release data in real time just goes to prove that you are no scientist, and you don't know how scientists work. Scientists don't release "raw data" as we call it. If you release raw data, then there's the chance that you are releasing data that is in error due to some error in the measurement process. Scientists want to check-over their data and eliminate bad data from the process. If a detector had a bad ground or an intermittent connection that put noise in the system; then that is bad data and it needs to be eliminated from the data stream.

Your demand is rooted in a distrust of scientists. You want them to get the data out before it can be "fudged" or "diddled" with. Those concerns are just plain stupid. You have to have some trust. Besides, if the scientists were really out to "fudge" the data; they could design the data collection system to fudge the data on the fly. The data could be released in real time, and still be fudged.

You trust the scientists not to build the fudging into the data collection system itself; so why not trust them to accurately analyze the data.

Oh, I know why!! You're to stupid to think that the scientists could fudge data in the process of collection; so even real time data has no guarantee of not being fudged. I'm sorry, I forgot about your mental handicap.

Data Diddling has become the NORM

Rude Dog, the Lying Fool

Data Diddling has unfortunately become the NORM, when a dollar and/or a political agenda are involved. The ideal of 'scientific integrity' is, in such circumstances, sacrificed to 'agenda based science'.

Rude Dog, the Lying Fool, is merely ONE EXAMPLE, of many; wherein candor and accuracy have become secondary to agenda. The personal motives, for this 'hoeing' of scientific integrity are of little interest. The reality speaks for itself. Doubt and questioning are scientific virtues; but the actions of Rude Dog, the Lying Fool unfortunately leave virtually no doubt.

East Anglia and the NASA Climate Unit ‘diddled the data’, and thereby set climate research back at least a decade. CTBO, USA, Japan, TEPCO , GE, AREVA, Siemens, Hitachi, Toshiba and Rude Dog the Lying Fool are likewise ‘data diddling’.

Data Diddling

Then PROVE IT!!!`

The PROVE it!!

QUOTE VERBATIM a statement I have made; and then give us a reference to a University Physics Department website that says the opposite of what I say.

That would be proof. But you can't do that, can you.

The reason is because I am telling you ACCURATE physics content; and ANY legitimate University Physics Dept website will back me up.

Evidence

There have been SEVERAL atomic explosions in nuclear power plants

Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3 merely joins the herd. It is not the first and unfortunately is unlikely to be the last. It is also, just one more example of denial and lying by the nuclear power industry.

But it is probably the LAST nuclear power plant, atomic explosion that will EVER occur in Japan.

Japan is working night and day to escape the clutches of the nuclear power industry.

We wish them Godspeed in this worthy endeavor.

WRONG, as always


There have been SEVERAL atomic explosions in nuclear power plants

If we are talking "nuclear explosion" as defined by the type of explosion that a nuclear weapon produces; i.e. the type that can destroy an entire city; then there has NEVER been that type of explosion in a nuclear reactor; because it can't happen.

Reactors can have "excursions" in which they produce a lot of energy - enough energy to destroy the reactor. The Chernobyl accident, and the SL-1 accident were nuclear excursions.

However, NONE of those incidents were the type of explosion that can wipe out a city like Little Boy and Fat Man did. When most people hear the term "nuclear explosion"; they think of what scientists call "nuclear explosions" which is what Little Boy and Fat Man did.

It appears to me that Japan is working diligently to bring their reactors back online. They know their economic future is tied to power generation and those reactors.

REALLY???


Fukushima-3 was NOT full of water, therefore the neutrons were traveling at fast, slow and medium.

You say that there were fast neutrons, slow neutrons, and medium neutrons?

REALLY???

Fast neutrons are neutrons with energies in the Millions of electron-Volts.

Slow neutrons are neutrons with energies less than a single electron-Volt.

Medium neutrons are neutrons with energies in the thousands of electron-Volts.

If we were to take a sample of the neutrons and measure their energies; do you really think we'd find a lot with energies in the thousands of electron-Volts range?

Do you think there were a lot of medium neutrons?

You are FULL of 'it'

Rude-Dog - you desperate, lying fool,

The ENGLISH language, which appears to be a TOTAL mystery to you, is comprised of WORDS unlike Greek language TERMS. The ENGLISH word ‘FULL’ subsumes SEVERAL physical conditions, for liquid VOLUME: including full to the line, net volume, normal operational level and so forth and so on,

Repeat … Fukushima Daiichi Reactors I, II, III, V & VI were FULL (of water) at the time of the earthquake. Fukushima Daiichi IV contained water, but the fuel load had been removed. There are some indications that Fukushima Daiichi Reactor I lost fluid level and cooling subsequent to the earthquake, prior to the tsunami. The station attempted to scramble all active reactors.

Subsequent to the tsunami, the entire Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station went black and all active reactors went into emergency cooling modes and moved toward meltdown as the cooling systems failed and/or were shut down.

With a station blackout, mechanical failures, broken and/or depleted batteries and multiple meltdowns underway; ALL reactor parameter measurement capabilities were lost. The fill level, temperature, slosh, pressure, particle energies, combustion, nuclear reactions and core integrity became UNKNOWN variables. Subsequent to seawater injection, the redox chemistry and radionuclide mix also became unknowns. Thus your assertions of Reactor Status are ABSURD.

To be more explicit, YOU are absurd … totally absurd.

More STUPIDITY demonstrated


The station attempted to scramble all active reactors.

Yes - the English language has words; and intelligent people know how to use the proper ones. While you may scramble your eggs for breakfast in the morning, and the US Air Force may "scramble" fighter jets to intercept a potentially hostile "bogey", the word for an emergency shutdown of a reactor is not "scramble". The word is "SCRAM":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scram

Talk about casting pearls before swine; I don't know why I even bother with a pathetic intellect like you. You can't even keep a few vocabulary words straight.

There's no way that you would ever have enough brainpower to understand neutron transport, the Boltzmann transport equation, and all the physics that are engineered into nuclear reactors to make them the safest machines mankind has built.

Yes; we've had some bad accidents in the nuclear power field; but so have the airlines and they've actually killed people; and I don't see anyone clamoring to shut them down.

You completely IGNORANT and downright STUPID CHOWDERHEAD - show me where I am relying on instruments and measurement capabilities at the damaged reactor. I am talking about measurements of the fallout that was discharged.

When the "smog tech" measures the pollution of your car, does he rely on instruments on the dashboard? NO - he measures what comes out of the tailpipe. That's how CTBTO works.

CTBTO measures the fallout, and from the distribution of the radioisotopes as indicated by taking ratios of the measured amounts; CTBTO can tell whether those radioisotopes which are fission products came from fissions that were induced by slow neutrons or fast neutrons.

If the fission products came from slow neutrons; then they had to have been created BEFORE the explosion and merely scattered by the explosion. If the fission products came from fast neutrons; then they were created in a nuclear explosion.

CTBTO tells us that the fission products came from slow neutrons; so they weren't made by a nuclear explosion, they were made BEFORE the explosion when the reactors where operating; and the chemical explosion of hydrogen dispersed the already made fission products.

The readers here can see the ABJECT DESPERATION on the part of these stupid little morons called anti-nukes that have negligible brain power. They so DESPERATELY WANT the Unit 3 explosion to be nuclear because they can better fear-monger an unsuspecting public with their LIES.

However, TRUTH doesn't care what these pathetic simpletons want; we have only scientific TRUTH. Yes, TEPCO didn't have their plants prepared up to industry standards; and yes they had a bad accident. However, let us not disrespect the public by not giving them the truth.

The anti-nukes can't give the public the truth; because the public won't do what the anti-nukes want. So they have to scare the public with LIES, and then the self-righteous hypocrites have the gall to tell us lying is bad.

SAC

My nuclear experiences started on SAC bases and missle silos in the 1950s. Thus the WORD 'scramble' is a long-standing part of my vocabulary.

I have significant power experience and acadeImic background. You, on the other hand, have a specialty as a LYING POS. Keep it up!

You Nuke LIARS moved me to the opposition, from a tepid supporter. The greenies did not have anything to do with it. So just keep up the OBVIOUS lying and invective. You are exponentially increasing the GLOBAL opposition to the nuclear power industry.

Mostly, I just draw you LOSERS in; and let YOU convince the public that nuclear power is an excessively dangerous energy source. The nuclear power INDUSTRY has plainly established that the health, life and safety of the American citizenry is NOT a consideration. The 4 continuing members of the NRC demonstrate DAILY their HOSTILITY to the concerns of the American public.

You guys have just about SNUFFED the nuclear power industry, with your litany of (obvious) lies.

Take A Bow!

We shall merely 'take a knee' and 'Thank God'.

Keep it up

I knew this idiot was too dumb to understand!!!


Fukushima-3 was NOT full of water, therefore the neutrons were traveling at fast, slow and medium.

I KNEW this dummy wouldn't understand the explanation.

Let me see if I can explain it in terms even this MORON will understand.

The hydrogen explosion at Unit-3 dispersed radioisotopes that were made in the reactor BEFORE the accident. BEFORE the accident, the reactor DID HAVE of water, you little imbecile!!

The BWR reactors are never "full" of water even when normally operating. However, the nuclear reactions are taking place in the part of the reactor that is flooded with water; because the nuclear reaction needs the liquid water as a moderator.

Therefore, the part of the reactor that was making energy, and making radioactive radioisotopes, had liquid water and hence the neutrons in this region were slow neutrons since liquid water slows down neutrons.

So the reactors had been operating for months prior to the accident, and the water filled areas making energy were making radioisotopes using a slow neutron spectrum. Therefore, the distribution of radioisotopes made by the reactor in the months before the accident, have a distribution characteristic of a slow neutron spectrum which is what the BWR normally runs on.

The high temperatures oxidized the zirconium cladding of the fuel ( that's where the hydrogen comes from - the zirconium steals the oxygen from the hydrogen in the water ). That means the fission products are no longer contained, and they got vented to the building when the operators vented the reactor system.

When the Unit 3 explosion happened, it was a hydrogen explosion that distributed radioisotopes that were made in the slow neutron spectrum in the months BEFORE the accident.

CTBTO reports that the fallout they measured had the ratios which are the hallmark of fission products from a SLOW spectrum. So the fallout measured by CTBTO was not created in the explosion. The fallout was created during reactor operations BEFORE the accident when the NORMAL amount of water was present and the neutrons were SLOW!!

The hydrogen explosion merely dispersed fallout that was already created.

In a nuclear explosion; fallout is created in the explosion itself with fast neutrons, with a different characteristic ratio. However, CTBTO didn't measure fallout with the bomb ratio; only the reactor ratio.

I think a grade schooler could understand the above. It's pretty simple.

However, our intellectually-challenged anti-nuke probably doesn't have enough intelligence or brain-power to understand the above, and will probably retort with another meaningless, ill-considered response that has no scientific content.

The brainless anti-nukes are so wrapped up in their own anti-technology hate that they can't think straight.

No MOX

Hey dipstick

There was NO instrumentation in Fukushima-III. It melted

Pitch your fantasy conditions elsewhere.

CTBO did NOT release their data in real time. You are looking at Diddled Data or you are diddling it yourself.

Another mercenary liar, promoting the MYTH of nuclear reactor safety

I have been off that train for some time.

No MOX for me, thank you!

Hey little MORON

Hey little MORON; where did I say you needed instrumentation????

Did I say anything about measurements AT Unit 3; little stupid one??

NO - your reading comprehension is below elementary school level.

The measurements that I spoke of, are only measurements made by instrumentation AT CTBTO that they used on the fallout from Fukushima that they collected from the environment.

You can't read and understand what you are reading. Why anyone should believe that you have the ability to think logically and comprehend a complex technology when you fail at simple reading is beyond me.

Hoot in Hell

It does not make a Hoot in Hell,

Whether you LIE about plant instrumentation, vents, fuel or NON-DISCLOSED real-time radiation/radionuclide measurements from Japan, CTBO and/or the USA.

LOTS of real-time measurements were taken by Japan, CTBO, TEPCO and the USA.

The CTBO measurements were withheld. The reactor instumentation was dead. The reactors melted down, leaked like a sieve and were not filled with cooling water.

But keep on lying. Lies define your miserable existence.

We are laughing AT you, not with you. However the Japanese victims of defective nuclear reactor designs and pathological liars; may not see the humor.

Not funny to everybody

What you don't understand..

What you don't understand, you pathetic little dummy; is that reactors have Plutonium in them whether or not you recycle MOX!!!

That's where MOX comes from, you little moron. You take spent fuel and reprocess it and take out the fission products, and return the rest which is laden with Plutonium back to the reactor.

What is evidently beyond the capacity of your sub-human level brain to understand is that the Plutonium is made IN THE REACTOR.

When we recycle MOX; we are merely putting back Plutonium that was already in the reactor before. Remember my analogy of putting unburned wood back in the fireplace when you clean out the ashes?

Plutonium in reactors is nothing new. In fact, Japan isn't the only nation that recycles spent fuel. The British recycle spent fuel; that's why they have Sellafield. The French recycle spent fuel, which is why they have La Hague.

The Swedish recycle spent fuel; they have the French do their reprocessing at La Hague

So if putting MOX in the reactor is automatically bad and causes nuclear explosions; then why haven't we had nuclear explosions in the British plants, the French plants, and the Swedish plants???

My Lord, you are mentally deficient beyond all expectations.

Apparently

Apparently your stupid invective and hand-waving have enjoyed some limited sucess in the past, with dumbass freshman liberal arts majors.

Your lying BS, together with the perjoratives, is LAUGHABLE, to the rest of us. Scream On, Lie 'til Hell freezes over. Your game is over.

I am NOT debating or playing Whac-A-Mole with these lying Nukers. I am merely calling their bluffs and pointing out their litany of lies, for the interested reader.

These nukers have a countably infinite set of lies. However they mostly stick to only a couple of dozen, totally discredited lies in an ENDLESS loop.

The neutral readers have mostly left the building, having watched enough to see the pattern of nuker lies. Thus, the nukers are mostly shouting to an empty room.

No one is listening to them anymore.

Apparently