MOX fuel - details that matter....

Plutonium threat at Japan reactor, expert warns

Masashi Goto - worked for Toshiba as a reactor researcher and designer

"more volatile and toxic"
"MOX also has a lower melting point than the other fuels"

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20042852-76.html

AND.....

MOX Battle: Mixed Oxide Nuclear Fuel Raises Safety Questions

One of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi reactors contains a blend of uranium and plutonium fuel that may soon find use in the U.S. Does it pose more risks than standard uranium fuel?

By John Matson | March 25, 2011

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Robert Alvarez, a senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies, a Washington, D.C., think tank, says that MOX is not the best way to irreversibly render plutonium unsuitable for weapons use. "If you really want to pursue the path of irreversibility, there are probably cheaper, easier ways to do it," he says. One way would be to blend the plutonium down to a low concentration and put it in the DoE's Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in the New Mexico desert. With the price tag attached to the MFFF, "it's certainly not something you'd think you could make money off," Alvarez says. "I kind of see it as a nuclear equivalent to a bridge to nowhere." ..."the future of MOX fuel remains somewhat uncertain in the U.S. "The DoE still can't find a utility that's willing to take this stuff..."

Edwin Lyman, senior scientist for global security at the Union of Concerned Scientists in Washington, D.C., argues that MOX is more likely to cause nuclear accidents than ordinary uranium fuel and is liable to release more harmful material in the event of an accident. "Plutonium has different properties than uranium 235 that generally tend to degrade some of the safety systems in nuclear plants," Lyman says. For instance, because weapons-grade plutonium fissions more readily than uranium 235, reactors may need more robust control rods—neutron absorbers that shut down the nuclear chain reaction when inserted into a reactor's core. "You never get quite as much margin even after doing all that as you do with uranium," Lyman says.

Lyman authored a study in 2001 in Science & Global Security showing that radioactive leakage from a meltdown with MOX fuel, which in addition to plutonium has higher levels of radioactive isotopes such as americium 241 and curium 242, would be deadlier than a low-enriched uranium meltdown. "Because plutonium is so much more radiotoxic than many of the other radionuclides, even if it's released in relatively small concentrations it can have an impact on the effects," Lyman says. He adds that it is not possible at the moment to identify how much the MOX fuel in Fukushima reactor No. 3 has contributed to the radioactive plumes emanating from the plant.

Lyman questions whether even TVA will be a willing taker. "I don't see why any utility, even a government-owned one like TVA, would want to dabble with this stuff," he says.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mox-fuel-nuclear

AND....

MOX fuel rods used in Japanese Nuclear Reactor present multiple dangers

Plutonium is at its most dangerous when it is inhaled and gets into the lungs. The effect on the human body is to vastly increase the chance of developing fatal cancers.

http://www.dcbureau.org/20110315782/natural-resources-news-service/mox-f...

AND....

What is MOX?
http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/basicmoxinfo.htm

AND ....

MOX plutonium fuel used in Fukushima's Unit 3 reactor two million times more deadly than enriched uranium

http://www.naturalnews.com/031736_plutonium_enriched_uranium.html

AND......

Current technology DOES NOT eliminate ....Plutonium from reprocessed fuel is STILL REMAINS in the spent fuel....

Mixed Oxide (MOX) Fuel

....However, at present the general policy is not to reprocess used MOX fuel, but to store it and await the advent of fuel cycle developments related to Generation IV fast neutron reactor designs.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf29.html

AND....

go google MOX fuel YOURSELF...

(Note: the ebay link does not work.... (yet))

LIARS!!! LIARS!

Once again we catch the anti-nuclear propagandists in a flat out LIE. They claim:

"MOX also has a lower melting point than the other fuels"

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20042852-76.html

MOX is a mixture of the ordinary nuclear fuel uranium dioxide and plutonium dioxide. A mixture doesn't have a melting point, the individual constituents have melting points. So how does the melting point of ordinary nuclear fuel made of uranium dioxide compare to the added component of plutonium dioxide.

In other words, what are the melting points of uranium dioxide vs plutonium dioxide?

For that we can inquire of the scientific analysis software by Wolfram:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities/chemical_melting_points/what_is_the...

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=What+is+the+melting+point+of+pluton...

According to Wolfram, the melting point of ordinary nuclear fuel uranium dioxide is 2176 C.

Also according to Wolfram, the melting point of plutonium oxide is 2400 C

LIARS LIARS LIARS

The damn anti-nukes continually bleat that the nuclear industry lies, and how terrible that is. Here we catch the damn hypocrite anti-nukes in a bold face LIE of their own.

The melting point of plutonium oxide is actually HIGHER than that of uranium dioxide

What is WRONG with the anti-nukes here? Do they not know that this forum is read by scientists? It is read by scientists that know the truth and know the references to prove them wrong?

Then why do they post WRONG information. Do they not check the information from their posts??

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

So the world is learning that in many cases MOX is just expensive dangerous crap. The truth is a good thing.

The lousy thermal properties of MOX - just ONE area of documented insatiability. Really IS MOX THAT BAD that you can't find any defensible point from the OP ?

Why proclaim this thermal property (generally decreasing melting point with increasing Pu in the MOX) fact, a lie ?

Thermophysical Properties of MOX and UO2 Fuels Including the...
www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cpr/v823/rpt/109264.pdf

A review of the thermophysical properties of MOX and UO2 fuels
144.206.159.178/FT/629/554280/13363867.pdf

I know you get paid for every post...

I have to give you minus points for promoting such obvious drivel however.

Anti-nuke paranoia is showing...

I know you get paid for every post...
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The typical anti-nuke paranoia is in evidence.

They "think" only they are honest and pure of motive. Anyone else only does what they do for money. The rest of the world are greedy, money grubbing, simpletons who would jeopardize their own families to make a dollar.

All the while, the anti-nukes are pure and altruistic and the heroes that will save us all from ourselves...

They have so many delusions, why not just another...

Coward

No paranoia, nice try.
You are all over this forum, obviously an industry man, so OF COURSE WE THINK YOU ARE A SHILL - you hide behind "anonymous" while arguing, insulting, lying, and projecting psychological tactics all over the place. It's so darned obvious you have some kind of stake in this, either as an industry attorney or just paid to do so.
And when you are losing an argument, you rant about 'liars' and 'anti nuke' people are all crazy, etc etc.
No one can or will take you seriously because you are a coward and won't reveal who you work for. You spend way too much time here - you have to be paid to do so.
So what is it? Who do you represent?
I'll go first - I have no agenda. I used to work for a utility industry for many years, associated with nuke power and was very very pro nuke until Fukushima. Now I am re-evaluating my thoughts. And in honesty, leaning away from support. My reasoning has more to do with the damage that can be wrought via sabotage to a plant, than some other valid arguments.
I do not work for the industry any longer. You obviously do. So again, who do you represent?

Probably NEI

In the last quarter the Nuclear Energy Institute has increased their lobbying efforts 30%:

http://nuclear-news.net/2011/12/14/nuclear-energy-institute-spends-up-on...

If you take a look at what the NEI is about, you will find the the referenced poster is spouting
NEI propaganda word for word. Call a kettle black, just saying...

Thank you

Thanks for the NEI link. So now we know.
I thought it odd that the resident shill will never answer my question about who he represents, and I've asked it in various threads. (naively thinking I would get an answer, but finally realizing he is a coward)
I don't even CARE who he represents. No one is interested in shutting down debate, but if you have that obvious an agenda, you really need to disclose your special interest and /or employer.

I've been on vacation...

I've been on vacation...

I represent nobody but myself. As a profession, I teach Physics to students who are not Physics majors. Therefore, I see more than my fair share of anti-nukes that are steeped in anti-nuclear rhetoric, but are entirely clueless about the science and Physics.

I don't speak for the NEI, nor take my cues from them. If I sound like the NEI, or if the NEI sounds like me; then it is because both of us are giving honest and accurate information.

I see time and again this "relativism" by the anti-nuclear community. If some anti-nuke website says it, then it must be true; and if NEI says it, then it must be false. One of my favorite misunderstandings by the anti-nukes is that they "think" that radioactivity is "contagious". That is, if we have block A that is made of a radioactive beta-emitter, and we set it down next to block B that is made from non-radioactive material, then a short time later block B will be radioactive. It's just not true. You don't "catch" radioactivity like a cold.

However, attempt to tell that to some pinhead anti-nuke, and you have a battle on your hands. The NEI says beta-radiation is not "contagious" and PSR says radiation is "contagious"; so there's just no disabusing the anti-nuke of the fiction that radiation isn't "contagious".

As for my motives, I just HATE to see science and Physics trashed by the anti-nukes. So whenever I see misrepresentation or propaganda, I go after it. The anti-nukes do so much lying and misrepresentation that I've got my work cut out for me.

Should be:

Should be:
so there's just no disabusing the anti-nuke of the fiction that radiation is "contagious".

Beta radiation is electrons. Radioactivity that emits electrons is NOT "contagious".

Come on...it's C-R-O-Macknon,

Come on...it's C-R-O-Macknon, again, obviously.

Bob and weave. Bob and weave, and whack-a-mole. That's all he's about.