Milk/0.70 Becquerels per liter

So I take it you wouldn't be concerned about having a pregnant/breastfeeding mother drinking this slightly radioactive milk?

2nd Great Northern Hemisphere Hormesis experiment

Greetings, fellow participants in the 2nd Great Northern Hemisphere Hormesis (GNHH) experiment. Ann Coulter is our gracious host; while our proud sponsors are the General Electric Corporation (GE) and the Tokyo Elecric Power Company (TEPCO) Fukushima complex. GE “brings good things to life” and TEPCO, “emphasizing fine-tuned service, supports our comfortable lifestyle”. The 1st GNNH experiment was sponsored by the now defunct USSR at the Chernobyl, Ukraine plant. Those not wishing to participate are advised to relocate to Sydney, Santiago or Buenos Aires.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=415
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=414

Today, the GNHH experiment families are separating into two groups, the ‘Maximizer’ Team and the ‘Controller’ Team. Maximizers should drink the rainwater, eat plenty of large leaf vegetables, purchase free range chicken, drink plenty of milk, eat shallow water fish, enjoy the cream cheese, and avoid alcohol. Expectant and nursing mothers should take their prenatal vitamins, without iodine (KI). Controllers should double their normal RDA multivitamin/mineral intake, purchase grain-fed chicken, drink bottled or well water, select the sharp (aged) cheese, order the canned peas and select well aged red wines.

Today, the Maximizers will be enjoying spinach and argula salad, borsht, oysters Rockefeller and the Kobe boeuf wellington with cream sauce. Maximizer desert dessert selections include cheesecake, cream puffs and berries in a rich cream sauce. Those insisting on alcohol will be served an excellent boujoule nouveau.

The Controllers will select a main course of arroz con pollo, grouper or Argentinian-Style Beef with Chimichurri Sauce. Soup choices will consist of consommé and lentil. A cucumber and olive salad, generously sprinkled with Reggianito will be served. Our featured dessert is Brigadeiros served with Brazilian Daterra coffee. Our vast selection, of finely aged red wines, will enhance your dining experience.

Gee I had to chuckle, but

Gee I had to chuckle, but wow it is true is it not ? I had to read this several times, and shared it with a friend. Thank you for the clear and precise picture of what is happening to us.

I will pass on the oysters Rockerfeller thank you ! Actually I am considering moving to the Southern Hemisphere, and am delighted to announce I will not be participating in the experiment. Please note Michio Kaku also stated that this Fukushima disaster is "an experiment and we are the guinea pigs," in his latest round of media appearances. He also gave many more meaningful clues, and we should take note of his words.

Endless lying about the fallout

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“There is no danger”

Four studies were conducted of Utah schoolchildren exposed to radioactive fallout from Nevada nuclear weapon tests.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/650198068/Fallout-thyroid-link-gets-b...

J Truman, originally from southern Utah and now a resident of Malad, Idaho, was among the group of children first tested in the early 1960s and then retested. "As a participant in that study since its beginning I can't say it's comforting to see the final verdict," he said in an e-mail. "Far from it. There's only anger."

He is angry about the endless government repetitions of "there is no danger" as fallout was coming down. Truman also feels anger about the federal government pulling the funding on the next follow-up tests, "when the new links (between fallout and disease) started emerging."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/650198069/Underground-blasts-were-als...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/650198500/Fallout-from-the-new-fallou...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/650198389/Matheson-acts-on-fallout-st...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635189839/Thyroid-woes-a-long-term-ri...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635184516/CDC-posts-final-report-on-f...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635180019/Fallout-study-corrects-old-...

A credible nuclear weather forecast?

Is this a credible (nuclear) weather forecast?

TODAY’S MOST VIEWED (VIDEO)

http://enenews.com/cesium-137-forecast-shows-near-surface-radiation-clou...

Cesium-137 forecast shows ‘near surface’ radiation cloud over Texas, Western US on April 15, 16

Silent Alarms

In my experience, the loudest noise on earth is …

A dead airplane engine

http://bibledatabase.net/html/kjv/ezekiel_33.html

Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Are these considered responsible assessments?

I am an EE, not a radiation dosimetry expert. Is it time to take the milk, lettuce and cream cheese away from the grandkids? To date, personal precautions consist in taking centrum, containing the RDA for KI.

http://www.criirad.org/actualites/dossier2011/japon/risques_en_france_v5...

Governments
French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN): Conséquences en France de l'accident nucléaire au Japon
French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN): Modélisation de la dispersion des rejets radioactifs dans l’atmosphère à l’échelle globale - 8 avril 2011
NGOs and Think-Tanks
CRIIRAD: Doses reçues par INGESTION d'iode 131 (7 Avril 2011) [EN - Ingestion of 131 iodine : Bq and doses]
CRIIRAD: Accidents nucléaires au Japon : dossier spécial
CRIIRAD: Contamination de la France par les rejets de la centrale de Fukushima Daiichi QUELS SONT LES RISQUES ? (7 Avril 2011) (corrected version) [EN - risk in France (and Europe)]
Press articles
EurActiv Slovakia: Riziko radiácie v Európe „nie je zanedbate?né“

US West Coast concentrations 8-10 times higher than France

The document, published on 7 April, advises against consuming rainwater and says vulnerable groups such as children and pregnant or breastfeeding women should avoid consuming vegetables with large leaves, fresh milk and creamy cheese.

The risks related to prolonged contamination among vulnerable groups of the population can no longer be considered "negligible" and it is now necessary to avoid "risky behaviour," CRIIRAD claimed.

CRIIRAD says its information note is not limited to the situation in France and is applicable to other European countries, as the level of air contamination is currently the same in Belgium, Germany, Italy and Switzerland, for instance.

Data for the west coast of the United States, which received the Fukushima radioactive fallout 6-10 days before France, reveals that levels of radioactive iodine-131 concentration are 8-10 times higher there, the institute says.

'no longer negligible'

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http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/radiation-risks-fukushima-longer-negli...

Radiation risks from Fukushima 'no longer negligible' [fr]

Published: 11 April 2011 | Updated: 12 April 2011

The risks associated with iodine-131 contamination in Europe are no longer "negligible," according to CRIIRAD, a French research body on radioactivity. The NGO is advising pregnant women and infants against "risky behaviour," such as consuming fresh milk or vegetables with large leaves.
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The data is here - for you

The data is here - for you to look at it, analyze it, decide whether to believe it or not, and make your own conclusions - about drinking milk, water, etc.

Your decisions are your own - and flaming this forum is not going to change that. The only thing on display in the past few days here is lack of manners.

Thank you.
Anonymous.

I still don't get it.

I still don't get it. Perhaps I'm confused by people switching back and forth between units but from what I can tell, UCB tested milk at 18.9 pCi/L (0.70 Bq/L) for I131. The EPA's limit for drinking water is apparently 3 pCi/L. This means milk is over 6 times the limit! Why is this milk still being sold? Is it because people drink less milk than water? I'd hate to think that I'm building up radioactive iodine in my thyroid by drinking milk every day.

Iodine, cesium, strontium in the milk?

It is something that the reports re: iodine in milk is troubling but IF there is radioiodine isn't there ALSO the likelihood of other nuclear byproducts such as stronium 90, radio-cesium etc in the milk and given that aren't the risks compunded by the multiple insults to the body not only in the thyroid but throughout the body's organs, liver, ovaries, prostates breasts etc isd these substances are ALSO in the milk.

Realy, just asking.

People focus on the iodine as it is the most immediate and well known threat but it seems if we are saturating our bodies with multiple radionuclides, all toxic over time, then we need to be aware that simply saying "whoah! lotta radioiodine but not to worry as it is not the same as the annual dose which is what the EPA uses to set standards." But IF there are multiple radionuclides may we not be getting superdosed internally when you add them all up and thuis all the reassurances of safety are bogus or dissingenuous at least?

Can the Berkeley folks comment on the milk TOTALS for all radionuclides vis a vis internal doses?

So why haven't Berkeley's

So why haven't Berkeley's milk test results been reported in the media if they're higher than those in Washington state which have been reported? Is it because the Washington milk was tested by the EPA and therefore more "official?" It will be interesting to see how the EPA's test results in CA compare to Berkeley's.

It would also really help to get some clear info from a medical doctor who can help clear up this debate about ingestion vs. exposure. There seems to be a lot of disagreement about the comparative health risk, even though a technical dose equivalent has been formulated.

Milk/0.70 Becquerels per Liter

I think the recent interview with a Japanese nuclear expert Hirose Takashi would be helpful in understanding the health risks of radiation. Here's a quote of what he said about radiation levels detected in the air and the health risk:

"The reason radioactivity can be measured is that radioactive material is escaping. What is dangerous is when that material enters your body and irradiates it from inside.

They say as you move away the radiation is reduced in inverse ratio to the square of the distance. I want to say the reverse. Internal irradiation happens when radioactive material is ingested into the body. What happens? Say there is a nuclear particle one meter away from you. You breathe it in, it sticks inside your body; the distance between you and it is now at the micron level. One meter is 1000 millimeters, one micron is one thousandth of a millimeter. That’s a thousand times a thousand squared. That’s the real meaning of “inverse ratio of the square of the distance.” Radiation exposure is increased by a factor of a trillion. Inhaling even the tiniest particle, that’s the danger."

It seems the bottom line is that what ends up in your body, internally, will determine health risk, and not as much as how much radiation exposure received from the air. Therefore, you cannot accurately assess the health risks of radiation by comparing radiation exposure to simple background radiation. This is the fact that the mainline "experts" are ignoring, and explains why no level of radiation is safe when inhaled or ingested. Personally, I would refrain from drinking any milk, water or other products with any radiation contamination.

You can view and read the transcript of the complete interview of Hirose Takashi here: http://www.counterpunch.org/takashi03222011.html.

Nancy

Very important post

I hope Prof Miller sees Takashi's comments and comments on them. While I agree with him, the reality is that people should be cautious but not panicked about it. Keep in mind that radiation does damage to DNA, but that we have repair mechanisms and apoptosis programs that work most of the time. I do think minimizing our exposure is a good idea, but its more important to eat. There was a comment on the boards here about freezing dairy products for 80 days then eating them. You could do the same with vegetables and that would at least take care of the I-131 problem.

I hear you, Nancy...

...But very much easier said, than done. This is in EVERYTHING now. If it's in the supermarkets, and has been picked, pumped, slaughtered or packaged within the last, say, week (at least), it's become contaminated. If it's on the ground now, or in the barns, it's probably even more so. Tap water supplies may be relatively unaffected for now, but once all the rain water that's currently coming down starts really mixing in with the whole, THAT will be tainted, too. And while North America is on the leading edge of this and initially will receive much more concentrated doses than just about anyplace else outside of Japan itself -- and, in terms of continuing releases into the air and water, I suspect, we'll get MORE, in the short term, than Japan, since it's all blowing and moving straight offshore and into the jet stream and Pacific Ocean currents -- pretty quickly, NO PLACE ON EARTH will be unaffected. Particularly when you consider that NO ONE is self-sufficient, in terms of food at least.

Sorry to be so negative, and I sure hope I'm wrong... But that's the way I see it. Unless someone has access to Doc Brown's flying DeLorean, there just ISN'T any "getting away from" this.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
www.facebook.com/lonestarplano

While true...

While true in this case Rick, we could all try and support organizations to get reactors shut down and prevent catastrophic radiation releases in the future.

WH

Yeah...

...I am hardly in a position to disagree. Once again I will admit: Until three weeks ago (today), I was a VERY dedicated supporter of nuclear power AND nuclear weaponry. I am famous in my circle of acquaintances for saying: "The future of energy is green... And it's glowing!" What an as$, right?

Now I'm pretty much COMPLETELY turned around on the former, and thinking very hard -- harder than I have since high school -- about the latter. This is no doggone fun at all, you know. Being hoist on my own petard is the LEAST of it... Yeah, I'm eating crow today, and it's laced with Cesium-137.

Suffice to say: I'm not much a fan of the taste. I'd rather not.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
www.facebook.com/lonestarplano
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com
972-746-8575

UCB vs EPA Milk Testing

Spokane, WA milk tested by EPA = 0.8 pCi/L (0.0296 Bq/L)

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870380630457623322174962645...

Milk tested by UCB = 18.9 pCi/L (0.70 Bq/L)

Source:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2174

So the Bay Area milk is 23.6 times more radioactive than the milk from WA?

Also interesting that elevated levels seen already in milk purchased on 3/25/11 -- pretty quick turnaround from rain to store shelf ... these levels can only increase in the short term right?

Expiration date of tested milk

Would it be possible to identify the expiration date and/or the date bottled (if known) for reference in the milk test results? This information might be of more use to consumers than the purchase date alone.

My family can't thank your team enough for the genuine information and data you've provided over the past several weeks. Please keep up the great work.

I'm looking at 18.9 pCi/L

I'm looking at 18.9 pCi/L and mentally comparing that to the 3 pCi/L limit for drinking water. What matters... the medium that delivers the Iodine-131 or the Iodine-131 that is in the medium? IOW, shouldn't that UCB milk sample exceed the federal limit as well?

The higher rain water levels were brushed off because rain water isn't something one normally drinks and it is further diluted before consumption. That can't be said about milk.

According to Berkeley you

According to Berkeley you would be better off drinking creek water over milk.

Yikes. That doesn't sound

Yikes. That doesn't sound good when you put it that way. My concern is that while each of these things by themselves might be technically insignificant health-wise, what about all of them together on a daily basis daily for an extended period of time? Contaminated air, water, milk, beef, seafood and produce in addition to what was already out there before Fuku doesn't sound like a daily cocktail I'd like to partake in for months on end.

Link to the EPA 3 pCi/L guidance

http://www.epa.gov/superfund/health/contaminants/radiation/pdfs/iodine.pdf

EPA has established a Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) of 4 millirem per year for beta particle and photon radioactivity from man-made radionuclides in drinking water. The average concentration of iodine-131, which is assumed to yield 4 millirem per year, is 3 picocuries per liter (pCi/l).

Professor Chivers also weighed in on a similar conversation here:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/1954

CA Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment ("OEHHA")

http://www.oehha.org/water/reports/grossbetahealth.pdf

"OEHHA has concluded that it would not be practical to develop a PHG for the category of beta particle and photon emitters, despite the fact that this category has a primary standard, or maximum contaminant level (MCL), which is 50 pCi/L by state law and 4 mrem by federal law."

Risk per pCi/L in drinking water

from page 10, table 3 ("Cancer Risk at the Gross Beta MCL for Five of the most Carcinogenic Radionuclides Covered by the MCL"):

131I Risk per pCi/L in drinking water = 2.33 x 10-6

131I Risk at 50 pCi/L in drinking water 1.2 x 10-4

Note that it goes on to state that "The de minimis risk level used by the PHG program is 10-6; hence for the most potent of these isotopes, Pb-210, the corresponding water level would be about 0.22 pCi/L . . . In addition, lifetime cancer risk depends on the timeaveraged concentration in water, rather than specific high instances, as reflected by the maximum measured concentrations shown in Table 2."

and

"There still may be a reason for concern for exceptional circumstances and natural radiation. The U.S. EPA ERAMS (2003) program detected iodine-131 in a very small number of water samples. The cancer risk associated with the maximum value detected for iodine-131 is approximately 1 in a million."

Anyone know if the same values hold true for contaminated milk?

Milk safety for children?

First let me express my gratitude for the work you are doing and the transparency you have shown.

The milk results are considerable and disconcerting, perhaps more so for us parents of young children. At what level of I131 or Cs137 pCi/L is the milk undrinkable?

Also, while I appreciate the difficulty of not trying to sound alarmist on your part, a little feedback perhaps may be in order. The "One would have to drink roughly 3,800 liters of milk to receive a radiation dose equivalent to a round-trip cross-country flight." semantics are annoying at best. It may be more effective to give us the level(s) or range(s)that you consider safe.

That's a lot of milk to

That's a lot of milk to drink. Do I get plane trip for free if I drink it all?

You cannot ingest a crosscountry flight

nor can you put in your baby's bottle or soup. The green plants will be absorbing radioiodine as well as the cesium.

Will you guys be testing produce as well?

I think right now veggies from south america, south of the plume, should be safer and no milk at all in the northern hemisphere til the plume stops and then 3 months after.

On that note...

For those interested in studies and fine print, here's an FDA publication on how it sets the "derived intervention limits" for things like milk:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/...

Interesting that the FDA "levels of concern" for infant food (imported) after Chernobyl were 55 Bq/kg versus current "derived intervention level" of 170 Bq/kg.

At what Bq/L levels should parents really start to worry here?

please...dont give milk 2 your kids.

...none of my friends have stopped giving their children milk. I apparently am the only one with the internet. However, whats been bothering me the most? People (MY FRIENDS) are actually scoffing at me whenever I voice my concerns. If media isn't reporting on it, we're all fine right?....huh?

Remain positive =)

I've stopped giving my son

I've stopped giving my son (5 years old) milk and yogurt. i've bought a bunch of raw milk cheese (by law raw milk cheese has to be aged several months so I know it's all pre-FUKE I also stocked up on Kerrygold Irish butter that I'm pretty sure was imported prior to Ireland being hit). I actually discussed it with him so he would know why i didn't want him drinking the milk. I did it very calmly and didn't scare him at all. I just let him know that there may be some radiation in the milk (he learned about radiation from a Magic Schoolbus book!) from an accident in Japan and we just need to wait a while before we will drink it again. He was totally fine with it and not scared at all. Better safe than sorry!

I'm getting the same

I'm getting the same attitude from pretty much everyone I know. We have been so conditioned in this country that being serious about anything or worried about anything that hasn't been given the official sanction is either deeply uncool or downright crazy.

"I'm getting the same

"I'm getting the same attitude from pretty much everyone I know. We have been so conditioned in this country that being serious about anything or worried about anything that hasn't been given the official sanction is either deeply uncool or downright crazy."

This is probably the smartest post I have read all day. Thank you.

It's understandable and sane

It's understandable and sane to ask questions and be concerned over safety with conflicting information anemic disclosures. Struggling for information to make informed choices uninfluenced by other agendas is unecessary I feel. There is always a segment of populations that are quicker to advocate or show acceptance of challenging situations than the status quo. It just takes some folks longer to assimilate uncomfortable disclosures. It's true we're not societally geared for this because it implies a hurdle no one wanted and perspective changes. That doesn't mean we can't change or are helpless to make choices in the interim while a larger segment is still processing it all. Change is an unwelcome adjustment when we liked what we had before - so, most aren't motivated to it. But, mass consensus belief, resulting action or inaction, doesn't change empirical truth.

It's entirely normal to feel isolated or in a margin being ahead of an info curve. The lack of educational reporting slows the necessary process and naturally feels a little "Twilight Zone" in the beginning. Events like this lead to temporary credibilty and trust gaps. I'm saying you're not crazy for "getting it" - quite the opposite. I also commend you for asking - that's rare and brave. Your personal attributes and instincts are positive, if temporarily "unpopular." In the long game, critical thinking increases your health and happiness - even if it doesn't feel that way at first.

Could not possibly agree more completely.

Anonymous, that's an exceptionally insightful, reasonable, and practical post, there. For Whatever it's worth, I totally agree, and in fact I think it ought to be re-posted in its own thread so that EVERYONE can read it. Nice one.

Rick Cromack.
Allen, Texas
RichardFCromackJr@gmail.com