Hypothesis of excess cancer clusters down wind of a NPP

My apologies if I have this in the wrong forum, finding someone capable of discussing this subject has been very difficult.

Having read various cancer cluster in vicinity and down wind of nuclear power station reports and also Chernobyl Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment by
ALEXEY V. YABLOKOV
VASSILY B. NESTERENKO
ALEXEY V. NESTERENKO

The evidence of increase in ill health with close proximity to NPP and the Environmental monitoring appears on the face of it to show insignificant exposure to the public and baffling increases in desease.
Here in the UK there is an institutionalised view that public exposure must be exterior and there is very little consideration to internal metabolised chemical and radiological toxicity effects.

Previous testing has focussed on urine and blood containing highly mobile Uranium and Plutonium etc which may over time be expelled in urine or metabolised to continue irradiating and poisoning internally at far higher rates than external dose given

An analogy would be looking for evidence of a melted frost and ignoring the frost damaged brickwork.

With the vast evidence of contamination effect in Chernobyl affected environments and the papers on blood chemistry damage. Blood chemistry changes and DNA / chromosome damage would seem to be the logical permanent record of exposure as pre cursors to increased susceptibility to chronic diseases.

Blood tests for specific compounds would be expected not to show high levels- we are looking for accumulative damage when compounds have been metabolised in which case the radiological and chemical toxicity can be many times higher that the official exterior background doses.

“Among biological methods of dosimetry the cytogenetic method is undeniable the most widely spread and best studied. This method is based on the analysis of the frequency of chromosome aberrations in blood lymphocytes of the human organism exposed to radiation. Standard dose effect curves are obtained after in vitro irradiation of blood cells for quantitative determination of the doses of exposure. By comparing the data on the frequency of cells with chromosome aberrations with a calibration curve it is possible to estimate the irradiation dose. Radiation may cause two types of chromosome aberrations: unstable (dicentrics, centric rings) and stable (translocations). The most often used for the purposes of biological dosimetry is the frequency of dicentrics and centric rings in peripheral blood lymphocytes. As a rule, the frequency of dicentrics permits estimating the dose of irradiation at early periods after exposure.
· Retrospective dose assessment by the frequency of dicentrics is unfortunately not always possible. This is first of all due to the elimination of cells with unstable chromosome aberrations with time. However, the cytogenetic method for retrospective assessment of irradiation doses is analysis of stable translocations by the FISH method. The frequency of translocations remains constant during a long period (years) after irradiation.”

With any accumulative exposure there will be lag period from initial exposure to illness.
This would be difficult to determine on the face of things,but if a pattern of either moving into the area or period of exposure v initial onset of illnesses in people considered low risk by their lifestyle and occupational exposure could establish a data set and look for correlation of exposure and onset of illness.

While down wind is increase is known, geology of some area's could act like a basin concentrating exposure dose rates and the hills as a ramp effect which would affect any cluster information gathering.

A consideration would be to look at high volume industrial air systems and compressor filter systems used on factories that hours run and volume of air can be calculated to use as a model of inhalation of air by occupants in locality over time if it assumes any environmental pollution remains at a near constant.
Used filters could be obtained as waste product for testing.

Regards Daniel Somersetlevels at googlemail.com

National Cancer Institute

The definitive study of this subject was done by the National Cancer Institute:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/nuclear-facilities

No Excess Mortality Risk Found in Counties with Nuclear Facilities

A National Cancer Institute (NCI) survey published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, March 20, 1991, showed no general increased risk of death from cancer for people living in 107 U.S. counties containing or closely adjacent to 62 nuclear facilities...

Consider the ramifications, please...

...since this may be why nobody wants to look at your study. As will soon become apparent if any of the BRAWM team responds to you, their guiding ideology is "adversary's radiation bad, crony's radiation harmless and undetectable by anyone but BRAWM". Have you tried Occupy Wall Street?

Professor Farnsworth

Hi Professor

Hi Professor Farnsworth,

Diesel exhaust fumes are known to be carcinogen.

BRAWM are you mocking them and Daniel with Occupy?
The paper in original post reference nyas.org publication.

Then if we are saying the op isn't posting sudo Science, what are the health effects when ampared to being down wind of a coal fired power station burning a high uranium content coal.
Or
An industrial incinerator considering it's operating temperature and filtering efficiency.
Then reconsider the op theory and reassess whether if a link was found-relative effects are of any great consequence.

Dear Anonymous

I am certainly NOT mocking the original poster. As far as BRAWM is concerned, their ideology trumps science every time, imho. Back in the early '60s, my uncle, a corporate chemical patent attorney, made his kids and myself drink powdered milk instead of fresh milk to avoid strontium 90 ingestion. None of us liked it, but his concern may well be the reason I am still around. If I had kids of my own, I would now be doing the same as he did, albeit totally unappreciated, no doubt. Let us not forget that North America has been downwind of the World's worst NPP accident for the last 18 months, and it is FAR from over. Wouldn't it be nice if Our Glorious Empire's DHS could divert their attention from al Qaeda dirty underpants bombers long enough to bring back online all the radiation monitors they turned off after the Fukushima disaster?

Professor Farnsworth

P.S. I think THREE copies of your last message are more than sufficient.

Hi Professor

Hi Professor Farnsworth,

Diesel exhaust fumes are known to be carcinogen.

BRAWM are you mocking them and Daniel with Occupy?
The paper in original post reference nyas.org publication.

Then if we are saying the op isn't posting sudo Science, what are the health effects when ampared to being down wind of a coal fired power station burning a high uranium content coal.
Or
An industrial incinerator considering it's operating temperature and filtering efficiency.
Then reconsider the op theory and reassess whether if a link was found-relative effects are of any great consequence.

Hi Professor

Hi Professor Farnsworth,

Diesel exhaust fumes are known to be carcinogen.

BRAWM are you mocking them and Daniel with Occupy?
The paper in original post reference nyas.org publication.

Then if we are saying the op isn't posting sudo Science, what are the health effects when ampared to being down wind of a coal fired power station burning a high uranium content coal.
Or
An industrial incinerator considering it's operating temperature and filtering efficiency.
Then reconsider the op theory and reassess whether if a link was found-relative effects are of any great consequence.

My original Hypothesis is far

My original Hypothesis is far from fanciful when the NPP operator in a document releases it's "licensed" radioactive nuclear gaseous emissions data in a stakeholder document.
these are not small releases and in a gas cooled reactor state co2 reactor gas dump to stack- the affected areas are known to be downwind.

So as humans breath in air it is reasonable to assume that they would breath in emissions.

What gas cooled reactor is that?


and in a gas cooled reactor state co2 reactor gas dump to stack

Which "gas cooled" reactor are you speaking of?

Here is the Wiki reference

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_gas-cooled_reactor
Also, I'm guessing he meant "stale" co2, not "state" co2.

Professor Farnsworth

FWIW, I agree with you...

... so it seems logical to avoid living downwind of a NPP if possible, and take lypospheric vitamin C wherever you live.

Professor Farnsworth

http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNE

http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/00000C9E.txt?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index=1995%20Thru%201999&Docs=&Query=&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=&IntQFieldOp=0&ExtQFieldOp=0&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A\ZYFILES\INDEX%20DATA\95THRU99\TXT\00000013\00000C9E.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h|-&MaximumDocuments=1&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r75g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=p|f&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=1

More info, please...

... since I'm reluctant to click on an executable file from an entity I don't trust. What revelations and/or delights await he who takes the bait?

Professor Farnsworth

it is the EPA morbidity from

it is the EPA morbidity from ingestion and inhalation of radionuclides

http://www.edfenergy.com/about-us/energy-generation/nuclear-generation/n... read the report for AGR releases