How atom bomb tests could help detect wine fraud

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/mar/21/atom-bomb-wine-radioa...

'Bomb pulse' in grapes harvested since atmospheric tests can be dated to within a year

Ian Sample, science correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 21 March 2010 18.00 EDT

The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Wednesday 24 March 2010

This article about traces of radioactive carbon being found in wine said that the last atmospheric atomic bomb tests took place in the 1960s. That is true of American nuclear tests, but France carried on testing in the atmosphere until 1974 and China until 1980.

A trace of Bikini atoll could join hints of black cherry and complex citrus notes in the sommelier's lexicon for describing fine wines, research has suggested.

Harmless amounts of radioactive carbon have been found in wines made from grapes harvested since the last atmospheric atomic bomb tests were carried out in the 1960s.

But the "bomb pulse" of radioactive carbon lingering in the alcohol of wines produced since could be a good thing for wine dealers and collectors.

Scientists have been able to pinpoint a wine's vintage to within a year by analysing the levels of radioactive carbon in the wine, a technique they say could help detect fraudulent attempts to repackage cheap plonk as a high-end tipple.

Last month, a group of French wine dealers were charged with conning leading US winery E&J Gallo into buying 18m bottles of plonk repackaged as pinot noir.

Some experts claim that around 5% of fine wines currently being sold are faked, either by being diluted with cheaper wines or sold under false labels.

The fraud is driven by the extraordinary prices commanded by top-quality wines. A case of Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1982 – which cost £2,613 in 2000 – sold for more than £25,000 last year.

"The problem goes beyond ordinary consumers being overcharged for a bottle of expensive wine from a famous winery with a great year listed on the label," said Graham Jones, of the University of Adelaide. "Connoisseurs collect vintage wines and prices have soared with investment wines selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars at auction."

The wine industry has introduced special seals and labels in an attempt to frustrate fraudsters, but Jones believes analysing a wine's bomb pulse may give people more confidence that they have not been conned.

Almost all the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere contains the stable carbon-12 form of the element. Each atom of carbon-12 has six neutrons and six protons in its nucleus. But atmospheric atomic bomb tests, which ended in 1963, released vast amounts of radioactive carbon-14 into the air. A carbon-14 atom has two extra neutrons.

When grapes grow on the vine, they absorb carbon dioxide, which contains both stable carbon and traces of radioactive carbon-14 left over from bomb tests, from the air. As time goes by, carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel burning dilutes the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere.

Speaking at the American Chemical Society annual meeting in San Francisco today, Jones said his team had been able to date wines by measuring the relative amounts of carbon-12 and carbon-14 in the alcohol produced from the grapes.

"The year that the grapes were grown fixes the age or vintage of the wine," he added.

The scientists analysed 20 Australian reds with vintages from 1958 to 1997 and compared their levels of radioactivity with calibrated sources of radiation.

Red Herring

Red Herring

Radioactive Cesium (Cs-137) has used to date wines since the Atomic Age began. The thirty (30) year half-life is appropriate for the time frame since the atmospheric weapons testing occurred. Prior to the atomic age, there was virtually no Cs-137 on Planet Earth.

Radioactive Cesium (Cs-134), with a half life of 2 years will be useful for dating wines for about the next 10 years or so. After that the Cs-134, from the Fukushima nuclear disasters will (presumably) be completely gone. Virtually no Cesium 140 remains from Chernobyl or the atmospheric weapon testing. So, ALL the Cs-134 is from Fukushima.

This information has been posted and blogged on in the BRAWM Forum a great number of times.

The rest of this thread is a diversion from the Fukushima REALITY.

Diversions

More anti-nuke STUPIDITY and PROPAGANDA above.

You do know that the remains of ancient Egyptians were Carbon-14 dated? So how did the Carbon-14 get into ancient Egyptians if C-14 only came from nuclear tests?

Our idiot anti-nukes once again present us with evidence of their stupidity and lack of knowledge in science. The Carbon-14 that is in ancient Egyptians, as well as wine, comes mostly from NATURAL sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14

Carbon-14 is produced in the upper layers of the troposphere and the stratosphere by thermal neutrons absorbed by nitrogen atoms. When cosmic rays enter the atmosphere, they undergo various transformations, including the production of neutrons. The resulting neutrons (1n) participate in the following reaction:

1n + 14N → 14C + 1p

Anti-Anti-Nuke

After about 50 IDENTICAL red herring posts, a pattern becomes clear

Some pro-nuke shill, deliberately posts an inaccurate reference,

Said pro-nuke shill, then debunks his earlier inaccurate reference,

Lots of anti-nuke insults are thrown in,

It is ALWAYS an inane, one-way conversation

In this particular INANE, one-way communication

Most grade school kids know more than the cited article about Carbon-14 dating. Virtually everyone who blogs on BRAWM knows the key Fukushima radionuclides and those from the atmospheric testing. The actual wine forensics have been extensively blogged here.

So, Mr. Pro-Nuke Shill,

Please talk to (& play-with) yourself elsewhere. You bore us.

We are not amused by this trap or the oft used radioactive Iodine trap.

We have seen each of them at least 50 times.

BORING!

I think this writer explains

I think this writer explains it a lot better

The Carbon-14 that is in ancient Egyptians, as well as wine, comes mostly from NATURAL sources:

Not sure why the link didn't

Not sure why the link didn't appear in my other post but here it is

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/science/2010/mar/How-Do-You-Spot-Vin...

I think the article is poorly

I think the article is poorly written but I believe the author is trying to say that a lot of wine is being sold as rare old vintages that are actually recent vintages and the C14 measurements are used to detect these frauds.
yes, C14 has been around a long time and is naturally occurring but there was a detectable amount produced starting with the first atomic test and that helps to detect wines produced from that time till the present against earlier vintages.
As you yourself wrote: "The Carbon-14 that is in ancient Egyptians, as well as wine, comes mostly from NATURAL sources:" The word 'mostly' is key, meaning there are unnatural sources, EG testing.
Unfortunately the author is not knowledgeable about C14 as is apparent in his explanations of its presence. He is vague about its presence in nature before testing began, but he does not definitely state that there was no C14 before testing began, I think the problem with is article is his poor understanding of the subject he was writing about. (He's a reporter, not a scientist) Yes, it has always been around in nature, but now we have a lot more than in the past due to the tests, etc, and it can be used to detect fraudulent vintages.

Very POORLY written article; agreed.

The vast majority of the Carbon-14 in the environment is from NATURAL sources.

The fission yield of Carbon-14 is virtually NON-EXISTENT!!

Here's a summary of the fission product yields for U-235 and Pu-239:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_product_yield

Carbon-14 didn't even make the "Top 21" on the fission product yield list.

Therefore, the fission yield for Carbon-14 is less than the 0.0003% yield of the #21 on the list which is Cadmium-113m

Practically ALL the Carbon-14 to be found in the environment was produced NATURALLY by the interaction of cosmic ray produced neutrons with atmospheric Nitrogen.