Gov’t paying MIT to figure out how to get public to accept nuclear projects (VIDEO)
Wow, that's really bad science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8YFe6Q08M8&feature=player_embedded
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Wow, that's really bad science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8YFe6Q08M8&feature=player_embedded
Falling Short
Not enough credible liars.
There simply are NOT enough lying frauds @ MIT to sell the US public on commercial NPP.
EVEN during the OPEC Oil Embargo circa 1973, the Nuclear Option was rejected. Gasoline price run-ups, shortages, odd-even rationing did NOT convince the public. Nuclear was rejected even then.
CO2 is the 'fizzie' in kid's drinks and Champagne bubbles. The VAST sums of money have been wasted in an effort to PUSH USA public opinion based on bogus 'global warming' and the 'fantasy of nuclear safety''. There will be NO 'Nuclear Renaissance'. The fat-bloated Al Gore has not convinced the public about ANYTHING.
The lying has been so poorly orchestrated and so clumsily executed, that it has backfired all over the Western World. Entire regions have reviewed the nuclear experiment and called it quits. The Cash Register says 'No Sale'.
PissOntheFire, call in the dogs, this hunt is over.
This whole conversation is rediculous
Has anyone seen the pictures of mutated children in Japan? Or looked at the statistics? If anyone still promotes nuclear power they have more issues at hand than a conversation can cure. How about reducing the need for such extravagant use of power????? Wow! what a concept....... I use a smartphone which I recharge with the solar power cells in my overcoat and I live in an area with practically no sunlight due to it being cloudy all the time. I heat my home with wood heat and before you carbon crazies even get started look at the real facts and the fact that even the "scientists / scientologists..." cannot argue with that methane not CO2 causes warming. Only idiots would think that CO2 causes global warming, it just makes plants grow. WAKE UP!
CERTAINTY
I did NOT reverify all the rules of physics this morning. Gravity √, light speed √, relativity √, momentum √, water states √,
Radiation induces death, burning, cancer, auto-immune disorders, leukemia, heart failure, mutations, fetal demise √
Take the logical falacies somewhere else.
A causes B, A has occurred B has occurred.
More than enough miscarriages, fetal demise, sick kids and dying kids have happened in Japan as a result of the multiple reactor breaches of 2 years ago.
So, NO I have NOT watched the mutant films in Japan. But I have seen the Chernobyl films. Same song different verse.
Sickening and preventable, but such is REALITY.
"seen the pictures of mutated children in Japan?"
No nor have I seen a single causality statistic or an expectation for many I have see where a study now says NO fish is safe to eat around japan because of Mercury ( http://www.briloon.org/uploads/documents/hgcenter/gmh/gmhSummary.pdf ). Not that the media published it - not like a bottom feeding fish from a enclosed area where the reactors drained that had elevated radiation - even while fish in the ocean surrounding the plant has had readings that are barely observable if at all.
So all I see is hype.
The wheels have come off the wagon
The wheels have come off the wagon
There are two (2) nuclear power stations in my electrical power reliability council. Each station is comprised of two (2) reactors for a total of 4 in the state. Five years ago, planning commenced to double the mandatory evacuation radius from 25 to 50 miles. This evacuation standard was universally agreed upon. Disaster contingency plans included (free) anti-radiation drugs distributed to every home and business in the evacuation region. Regional hospital decontamination expansion plans were underway. Water storage was to be increased by eight-fold. Contingency plans were to be borne by KWH electrical surcharges. Plans were also underway to double the statewide reactor count to (eight) 8 with more on the horizon. I was good with all that. So to speak, “God’s on his throne and all is well with the world.”
Unfortunately the wheels have come off the wagon. George Walker Bush summarily killed the mandatory 50 mile evacuation radius. Barack Hussein Obama tossed the entire national strategic drug supply in the dumpster. The aging, corroded, defective designed GE Mark 1 systems across the nation licenses were unilaterally doubled in duration. A chancy scheme to ‘up-rate’ these dangerous beasts by plutonium fuel enrichment, was jammed down our throats.
Then, along came Fukushima. The mechanical disasters in Japan highlighted the known failure modes of the GE Mark 1 systems and the cobbled-together venting apparatus. Fire engine pumper trucks, which would have prevented the meltdowns, were not dispatched to the Fukushima nuclear station. Evacuation warning systems were not engaged. The earthquakes, tsunami and electrical grid failures, forced the Japanese public unprotected into the radionuclide storm. Evacuation routes negligently drove the masses into the ‘hottest’ areas of the nuclear fallout. There were no anti-radiation drugs or decontamination sites provided to the victims. The land, air, water and sea are a witches brew of deadly contaminants.
Next came the calloused lying, which has intensified with time. The mechanical failures are compounded by the now evident moral hazard. It is now officially ‘game-over’ for the nuclear power industry. I am good with that.
Shut ‘er down!
Bill Duff
Collaborationnistes
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Collaborationnistes
The lovely and erudite constitutional attorney Ann Coulter and others have openly championed hormesis. A (very) few PhDs, journalists, politicians and nuclear power industry advocates in Japan and the USA have made similar public statements. Most, understandably prefer anonymity. Their assertion is less than irresponsible, it is dangerous. These advocates, In My Humble Opinion (IMHO), join the sullied ranks of Vichy French collaborationnistes or pétainists.
The United States National Research Council and the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) argue that there is no evidence for hormesis in humans and in the case of the National Research Council, that hormesis is outright rejected as a possibility. Therefore, the Linear no-threshold model (LNT) continues to be the model generally used by regulatory agencies for human radiation exposure. The watchword of the day is ALARA, As Low As Reasonably Achievable.
A few infamous Collaborationniste (pétainists): http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/FRANCE/French_Trials.html
War Crimes Proceedings, Collaboration Trials and Similar Proceedings Involving France in World War II
BIOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY Written and Compiled by David Thompson for the Grace Dangberg Foundation, Inc., copyright 1999-2002
Algarron or Algaron, Andre -- French editor in chief of the collaborationist newspaper Petit Parisien; director, radio station "Radio-Patrie" {put on trial by a French court of justice for collaboration and "intelligence with the enemy"; convicted and sentenced to death 27 Nov 1946 (NYT 28 Nov 1946:11:1); sentence commuted by French President Vincent Auriol to life imprisonment at hard labor 10 Apr 1947 (NYT 11 Apr 1947:18:5).}
Auphan, Louis -- French editor, collaborationist periodical L'Action Française {arrested and put on trial by a French court at Lyons for writings "attacking the domestic security of the state"; convicted and sentenced to 20 years imprisonment at hard labor 15 Nov 1945 (NYT 16 Nov 1945:4:3).}
Besson, Marcel -- French editor, collaborationist periodical Petit Dauphinois (Grenoble) {arrested on collaboration charges c. 5 Sept 1944 by French partisans (NYT 6 Sept 1944:3:4); subsequent disposition unknown.}
Brassilach, Robert (1909-1945) -- French journalist, novelist, historian and editor of the collaborationist periodical Je Suis Partout {arrest on collaboration charges announced by French government 15 Oct 1944 (NYT 16 Oct 1944:5:7); put on trial by a French court at Paris for collaboration; convicted and sentenced to death 19 Jan 1945 (NYT 20 Jan 1945:4:5); executed by firing squad at Fort de Montrouge, Paris 6 Feb 1945 (NYT 7 Feb 1945:7:6). (Purge pps. 137-40; Historical Encyclopedia of WWII p. 61).}
Courtine or Jullien-Courtine, Robert (?-1998) – member of the French Popular Party (Parti Populaire Français – PPF), collaborationist radio broadcaster {fled Paris 14 Aug 1944; arrested 9 Jan 1946 at Merano; put on trial by a French court for collaboration; convicted and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment at hard labor 12 Dec 1946; sentence reduced in 1948 by French President Vincent Auriol; released; editor in chief of the "Cuisine and Wines of France" ("Cuisine et Vins de France"); died 1998 (Hilberg, La destruction des Juifs d'Europe, 1988; S.K.Kitson@bham.ac.uk)
Cousteau, Pierre Antoine -- French editor and owner of collaborationist weekly Je Suis Partout {arrested by French authorities and put on trial by a French court of justice for collaboration and "intelligence with the enemy"; convicted and sentenced to death, national degradation (dégradation nationale) and confiscation of property 23 Nov 1946 (NYT 24 Nov 1946:27:6); sentence commuted 10 Apr 1947 by French President Vincent Auriol to life imprisonment at hard labor (NYT 11 Apr 1947:18:5); release rumored as a result of French President Vincent Auriol's Bastille Day amnesty 2 Aug 1953 (NYT 3 Aug 1953:5:2); released 1955; died 1958 (Purge pps. 140-1; S.K.Kitson@bham.ac.uk).}
Taittinger, Pierre -- French newspaper editor; President of the Paris Municipal Council; leader of French pre-war fascist youth organization {arrested Aug 1944 (Purge pps. 78-9); prohibited from holding public office by the French Honor Court at Paris 10 Jan 1946 (NYT 11 Jan 1946:6:6).}
Tardieu, Charles -- French reporter, Le Matin (Paris) and Grand Echo du Nord {arrested and put on trial by a French court (at Lille?) for collaboration; convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment at forced labor 1944 (NYT 16 Dec 1944:5:2).}
Zuccarelli, Georges -- French editor in chief of the collaborationist periodical Nouveaux Temps {arrested and put on trial by a French purge court on charges of collusion with the enemy; convicted and sentenced 23 Jan 1945 to 10 years imprisonment (NYT 23 Jan 1945:6:4).}
pétainists
comsi comsa
Back atcha
The nuclear power industry and their enablers in government and the press have placed a $0 (zero-dollar) value upon USA citizen lives, health, property value and the environment.
USA citizens should return the favor.
comsi comsa
MPT
Massachusetts PROSTITUTE of Technology
PROSTITUTE is a more apt description than INSTITUTE to describe the 'school' located at Cambridge. A PHD (Prostituted Ho Dog) from MPT is much more common than widely known.
Not ALL the pseudo-scientific frauds, that I have encountered, received their PHD from MIT (MPT), but MOST of them did. I would sooner trust a Detroit Junior high school lab report than a MIT 'peer reviewed' study.
There MAY be some real science in the place, but there is DEFINITELY a LOT of pseudo-science.
In My experience
MPT
The nuclear power industry
The nuclear power industry and their political operatives in government have:
1) Concealed the vast Fukushima radionuclide storm and the associated imminent dangers
2) Concealed the immense radionuclide contamination levels of the NW Pacific
3) Prevented a proper evacuation, and public health response on Honshu Island Japan
4) Dismantled the national anti-radiation drug stockpile,
5) Concealed food contamination results for NW Pacific tuna, salmon and shellfish, and
6) Allowed unlabeled radionuclide laced tea, rice and soy sauce from Honshu Island Japan, into the USA food supply.
They are now dismantling the evacuation safety protocols for future USA nuclear disasters. Both political parties are willing participants in this ghoulish crime against humanity. A mass cancer die off is not an acceptable national response to nuclear containment failure. Such an industry, and their captive governments do not merit … continuation
In My Humble Opinion
Yes failed plans by government
I agree with your statements In My Humble Opinion. Thank you for your post.
Here is another obvious plan that will fail. The current emergency plan for citizens living near San Onofre is for emergency serivices to notify citizens of "which way the wind is blowing at the time of an accident and to tell people to evacuate in the opposite direction."
Another insane plan! Everyone knows the wind pattern is always onshore placing every citizen direclty down wind of San Onofre. Unless it is during Sept and Oct when we have just a few days of santa winds from the desert we are all going to have to evacuate to the sea. I don't think there will be boats waiting on our shores to take all the citizens out to sea, via the " opposite direction of the wind."
Washington Post..
Courtesy of the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/study-childrens-ct-scans-may-...
Study: Children’s CT scans may raise chances of brain cancer and leukemia, but risk still tiny
LONDON — Children who get several CT scans have a slightly higher chance of brain cancer and leukemia in later life, though the risk is still small and probably outweighed by the need to get the test, researchers reported.
Low doses significant increase
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18342867
'Significant increases'
The study estimated that the increased risk translated into one extra case of leukaemia and one extra brain tumour among 10,000 CT head scans of children aged under ten.
Dr Mark Pearce, an epidemiologist from Newcastle University who led the study, said: "We found significant increases in the risk of leukaemia and brain tumours, following CT in childhood and young adulthood.
"The immediate benefits of CT outweigh the risks in many settings.
"Doses have come down dramatically over time - but we need to do more to reduce them. This should be a priority for the clinical community and manufacturers."
CT scans are useful for children because anaesthesia and sedation are not required.
This type of check is often ordered after serious accidents, to look for internal injuries, and for finding out more about possible lung disease.
Regulations on their use in the UK mean CT scans should only be done when clinically justified - and the researchers said their study underlined that point.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18342867
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http://www.fda.gov/radiation-emittingproducts/radiationemittingproductsa...
"Because of the rapidly growing use of pediatric CT and the potential for increased radiation exposure to children undergoing these scans, special considerations should be applied when using pediatric CT. Doses from a single pediatric CT scan can range from about 5 mSv to 60 mSv. Among children who have undergone CT scans, approximately one-third have had at least three scans"
"It must be noted that there is uncertainty regarding the risk estimates for low levels of radiation exposure as commonly experienced in diagnostic radiology procedures. There are some that question whether there is adequate evidence for a risk of cancer induction at low doses. However, this position has not been adopted by most authoritative bodies in the radiation protection and medical arenas."
http://www.fda.gov/radiation-emittingproducts/radiationemittingproductsa...
Those are NOT low levels
The article references CT doses from 5 mSv to 60 mSv.
Those are NOT "low levels" Those doses correspond to many years of natural radiation exposure.
Factcheck ,Yearly background are not that far off.
Wikipedia showing at a yearly background average of 2.95 Msv natraul. With man made radiation it bumps to 3.65 Msv .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation.
That's not current
Current levels are much higher I'm getting that daily on my radiation detector here in Alaska. We are all dead IMHO
Alaska radiation levels are EXPECTED to be higher...
If you are in Alaska; then you should expect higher radiation exposure.
You are near the Earth's poles; and the Earth's magnetic field doesn't help protect you; in fact it "funnels" radiation in the form of charged particles at you.
That's why crew / passengers in airliners crossing the poles have higher radiation exposure than people at lower latitudes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/24/news/24iht-radiate_ed3__0.html?pagewan...
The New York-Hong Kong flights involve even more exposure, scientists say, in large part because of higher radiation levels resulting from the magnetic attraction that the polar region exerts on charged radioactive particles from space.
Lawrence Berkeley got the same results...
Newly published research from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory published in the prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy of Science:
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2011/12/20/low-dose-radiation/
“Our data show that at lower doses of ionizing radiation, DNA repair mechanisms work much better than at higher doses,” says Mina Bissell, a world-renowned breast cancer researcher with Berkeley Lab’s Life Sciences Division. “This non-linear DNA damage response casts doubt on the general assumption that any amount of ionizing radiation is harmful and additive.”
http://lowdose.energy.gov/lowdoserad_pnas.aspx
http://www.examiner.com/article/dna-repair-centers-fix-low-dose-radiatio...
Not bad science at all. Don't let your politics over-ride scientific integrity.
>Not bad science at all.
>Not bad science at all. Don't let your politics over-ride scientific integrity.
I hope you can see the irony in that statement. The US government gave a grant to MIT with the specific intention to produce results that would improve social acceptability of nuclear power, and MIT did exactly that with a very poorly designed study. That is politics over-riding scientific integrity.
Did you even watch the video?
I watched the video
I watched the video. However, the video contains a bias. The US Government didn't give MIT a contract to propagandize the pro-nuclear side. The US Government gave MIT a contract to get the TRUTH about nuclear power out the people. The fact that the TRUTH about nuclear power is not acceptable to the anti-nukes is another matter.
You are quite right: " the
You are quite right: " the TRUTH about nuclear power is not acceptable to the anti-nukes "
Disasters like Chernobyl and Fukushima are the TRUTH about nuclear power and it is not acceptable.
Low dose ct scans in children increase risks mr.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/06/ct-scans-for-children-linked-to...
So mr industry tell a anti nuke how much radiation a ct scan produces and comparetoo the doses many millions of children received after Fukushima .
Fukushima health effects too small to measure...
From the New York Times on the first anniversary of the Fukushima accident:
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/sizing-up-health-impacts-a-yea...
Health impacts from the radioactive materials released in the Fukushima Daiichi meltdowns will probably be too small to be easily measured, according to experts assembled by the Health Physics Society for a panel discussion on Thursday. And the area cordoned off by the Japanese government as uninhabitable is probably far too large, the experts said.
“There’s no opportunity for conducting epidemiological studies that have any chance of success,’’ said one of the panelists, John Boice Jr., a cancer epidemiologist and professor of medicine at the Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center. (Dr. Boice is in line to become president of the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, a nonprofit organization chartered by Congress.)
“The doses are just too low,’’ he said. “If you were to do a proposal, it would not pass a scientific review.’’
Not Boice again, Boice: go
Not Boice again,
Boice: go and live next to the Fukushima plant for a few years and then we'll study you (using multiple CT scans of course, because they are SO safe aren't they?) to check you for cancer, OK?
Boice is President of the Health Physics Society
Boice is President of the Health Physics Society.
One would / should expect that the President of the Health Physics Society would be heard from on issues relating to radiation protection. After all; that's what the Health Physics Society is all about.
It's like someone saying, "Not Dr. James Madara speaking about health and medical issues again...." ( Dr. Madara is the CEO of the American Medical Association ).
CT scans are relatively high doses - even the newer "low dose"
Contrary to your ill-founded baseless contention; I do not work for the nuclear industry. I'm a retired Physics professor.
CT scanning has always subjected patients to a rather high dose of radiation.
"Low dose" CT scanners are only low dose relative to earlier models.
A CT scanner takes many, many, individual X-rays that the software can assemble into a 3-D image of the patient.
See the following:
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
A typical CT scan exposes the patient to about 3 years worth of natural background radiation. That's why physicians have always had to do a cost / benefit analysis before prescribing these diagnostic procedures. ( When I say "cost", I don't mean money). The prescribing physician has to weigh the benefits of the diagnostic information gained from the scan vs the radiation risk.
Clearly, someone who has been in a severe car accident and may be in mortal danger from some unseen injury, the information gained from a CT scan may be life-saving, and well worth the radiation risk. Wouldn't you agree?
As far as the radiation exposure to the Japanese due to Fukushima, perhaps you should do some homework:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/11/opinion/la-oe-gale-fukushima-201...
Despite worries, radiation exposure from the Japanese nuclear plant damaged by the tsunami is unlikely to cause an increase in cancers.
Lying like a dog
Press Flacks, Permanent Political Class, Academic-Prostitutes & Industry Lapdogs
PLEASE keep the continuous drumbeat of OBVIOUS lies going.
"and the beat goes on"
"and the band played on"
The mainstream press is collectively as stupid and corrupt as Ann Coulter and the late Purple Koolaide guzzlers following Jim Jones to South America.
Back in the real world ... Fukushima, like Chernobyl and the Atmospheric weapon testing HAVE caused MASSIVE increases in cancer, harmful mutation, disease, organ failures ... and early graves ... for millions of Men, Women and Children.
The dangers of radionuclide uptake, were WELL documented in the 1950s, when I was 1st briefed at SAC. The danger of lying, carelessness, stupidity and planned inaction are just as deadly today.
Fukushima is killing FAR more Japanese than Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... combined. The dying is underway. It started 'in utero' over a year ago. The misery will continue for generations.
Who are the REAL LIARS!!
Who are the real liars.
Are scientists being quoted in the media "liars"?
Or are posters that post this nonsense without anything to back it up, and then claim that you can't trust anyone else, like scientists and the media, because they are all liars.
The real LIARS are these HYPOCRITES that decry everyone else for being a liar; when they have to know that the true liars are themselves.
Skin & Next-of-kin
Define hypocrite
I do not have a dollar in the nuclear power generation death lottery, only skin and next-of-kin. I do have a engineering and research background. My earliest nuclear briefings were provided by the Strategic Air Command in the 1950s. The hypocrite label is patently absurd.
How would caution in accepting pseudo-scientific assertions from apparent industry shills; in gross violation of ALARA, create a hypocrite?
I prefer electrical power generation from domestic natural gas, in efficient cascading, closed loop cycles.
Define hypocrite
I don't have any money in nukes either.
I don't have any money in nukes either.
Money isn't the only reason for being in favor of nuclear power. I realize, as do most scientists, that nuclear power is the only low carbon footprint technology that can shoulder the entire electric power burden.
We could build more gas plants; but that is also a carbon emitting fossil fuel. It just emits 60% of the CO2 per unit energy as does coal. It reduces the global warming problem but does not eliminate it.
Solar and wind can't carry the load, and are too intermittent to hold an electric grid stable. The National Academy of Sciences stated in their most recent energy study, as well as previous studies, that our electric grid can only support about 20% of the generation capacity in renewables. Where do we get the other 80%?
I don't have any money invested in nuclear power. However, I do see that it is really the only way forward if we are to preserve our lifestyle and get a handle on global warming.
Solar + Wind +
Solar + Wind + Storage
Nuclear power is not needed
Battery Charger Inefficiency
Battery Charger Inefficiency
Battery Charger INTERNAL power conversion losses are on the order of 20% when considering AC power factor, voltage drop and I2R (heat) losses.
And ignoring the ROSY manufacturer advertizing hype
Oh and then there are the External INDUCED AC system losses associated with AC Harmonic Distortion caused by the rectification (AC to DC) power conversion process. For example, the 5th harmonic produces counter-rotational torque, which RUINS any nearby AC electrical motors. This would include your home appliance motors in the Washer, Dryer, Dishwasher & Air Conditioner.
5% harmonic distortion of AC current OR voltage will reduce motor torque on the order of 15%, if memory serves.
Not too good actually, but I guess they don't teach that at 'Hippy School'.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
The inefficiency of the nuclear power industry are enormous considering the risk and the hazardous waste. Known facts.
Efficiency
The DEFINITION of the term EFFICIENCY has a little 'wiggle room', but not that much.
Efficiency, in this context would usually mean something like ENERGY CONVERSION percentages or POWER Conversion percentages ((Out/In) X 100).
Risk and Hazardous Waste would go into some other figure, besides 'efficiency'.
This IS after all, an engineering blog. So stick with the program.
Nukes ARE pretty efficient, which is WHY they are used on submarines and aircraft carriers.
Commercial Nuclear Power Plants ARE dirty, dangerous, extravagant and lots of other 'bad career decisions.
But (Energy Out/Energy In) by the second, hour, year, or lifetime is probably kinda ... efficient.
Words mean SOMETHING ... usually
Engineering TERMS are more exact.
Not Enough
No Way Jose
There are probably not enough, PV panels, windmills and/or total energy storage capacity on Planet Earth to reliably operate Los Angeles.
The US Coast Guard REQUIRES an 8 Day battery for offshore platform PV installations, to keep the emergency beacon-lights flashing and foghorns sounding. It is NEVER enough. Most of the platforms are 'dark', much of the time, across the oceans.
And Nukes are deadly. For the USA, that points to Natural Gas and coal.
Not Enough Energy Storage
There is no there there
Battery Losses & Inefficiency
Battery Losses
Battery losses are on the order of 25%, when comparing the required charge (voltage/current/time) to the discharge (voltage/current/time), and ignoring the manufacturer rosy advertizing hype.
Quite Inefficient
Merriam Webster Definition
From Merriam Webster Dictionary:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
2. a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
The anti-nukes decry liars from the nuclear industry as being bad. The nuclear industry is bad because it lies. However, these same anti-nukes have to know that they themselves are lying, and telling falsehoods. They give themselves a "pass" to lie, because they are also self-righteous. It's OK for THEM to lie and distort information because they are promoting their agenda.
That squares perfectly with Merriam Webster's definition #2 above.
As far as electricity from natural gas; that doesn't solve the global warming problem. Gas gives you about 60% of the CO2 as does coal. So you reduce the global warming problem; but you don't eliminate it with gas.
Nuclear generated electricity is the only low carbon footprint technology that can shoulder the present electric power burden in its entirety.
Therefore ... What?
I simply do not support the nuclear power industry. The PROPONENTS of nuclear power generation resort to all sorts of logical fallacies, deceptions, and brow-beating, and fail to convince the public of anything. The USA had a 30 year stretch without approving a commercial electrical generation application. Though the NRC has recently approved 1 new license, over the objections of the public.
Logical fallacies,such as the Fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque are not sufficient to convince the public.
Fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
Also Known as: "You Too Fallacy"
Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:
Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
Poor Logic
An amateurish attempt at best by the pinhead anti-nukes.
Yes - the fallacy has the form of
Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
But what statement is X?
Can you provide us with the statement X?
You can't because there is no statement X that fits both the definition of the fallacy and the argument above.
Perhaps you "think" that the above argument was meant to prove that anti-nukes lie. That was not the point. That's been proved here in many threads.
No - the logic is a simple definition.
The anti-nukes decry lying as bad and immoral
The anti-nukes lie.
Therefore, by the definition above, the anti-nukes are hypocrites.
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
Any freshman in college that has taken a critical reasoning class can see through this logical fallacy. It is sad is to see how much textbook fallacy it is put out under the guise of intelligence when, in fact, it only garners the support of the uneducated;(
Educated is a strange term.
Educated is a strange term. It means indoctrinated in the ways of the systemic paradigm.