Fukushima Solutions?
Dear all,
TEPCO has now admitted three nuclear reactors have melted down and at all three the containment vessel has been breached. There are reports of isotopic ratios that indicate ongoing fission somewhere. Assume that there used to be reactors here, but now they are in a puddle on the floor of the water-filled basement. Now what? Will any melted, uncontained corium lava spread out and stop fissioning? Or will it burn a small hole in the floor of the basement and remain a compacted, more prone to fissioning mass? What are the solutions? A large containment trench dug down 60 ft to ground water all the way around the plant? Any ideas? Why not brainstorm solutions now?
CONCRETE EARTHEN PYRAMID
HUGE CONCRETE EARTHEN PYRAMIDS!
This is how we should entombed all of our mistakes(nuke plants).
Filled with water?
Plasma Light shooting out the top?
They would be Beatiful.
This could easily be done.
Put a million tons of concrete into each one, One Ton for every Chyrnoble Death.
Peace,
A
Leave
Solutions ? You're kidding, right?
You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
It would be appropriate to evacuate Honshu Island Japan. Oh and 80 percent of the Japanese population (127,368,088 -July 2011 est.) lives on Honshu, which is Japans largest island featuring the major cities of Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Kyoto, Hiroshima and Sendai. Of course, they are sick from radiation exposure, much like the Ukrainians presently living in the USA. Oh and NONE of them received anti-radiation drugs or even simple decontamination.
Run, fly, boat but don't try to swim away, the NW Pacific is Hot! Don't eat the rice, fish, seaweed, soy, beef, bread, chicken, vegetables, fruit, noodles or tofu. Don't drink the tea, beer, water or saki. Other than that, Japan is golden.
Perhaps Japan needs a 'community organizer'
Friends and Allies
LEASE
Perhaps some neighborly country will LEASE a suitable North Pacific Island to Japan, for (temporary) resettlement purposes. A 99 year lease would give them some time to START a clean up of the homeland of their ancesters.
Russia, China, South Korea, Taiwan, USA, North Korea, Australia, Mexico, Canada, Chile, New Zealand ... are a few of the possibilities
It is a VERY sucky, entirely preventable situation
Housing for 100 Million people ... that's gonna cost some serious scratch.
Big Ticket items
Debris removal in a highly radioactive enviroment
Cranes work
Create a cable driven machine
With many small cables it could be possible to get enough mechanical manipulation.at the end of mechanical robot -no electricity. Different interfaces could be designed. Drive it forward by bolts and pulleys.
A billion dollar marionette.
DMulligan
Bioremediation, Phytoremediation, Mycoremediation
First of all, thanks for all the information on this site!
There are a wide range of bioremediation proposals underway. Sunflowers are already being planted in Japan as phytoremediation, as demonstrated near Chernobyl.
Paul Stamets has also proposed using mycorrhizal fungi proven to accumulate cesium 137 at 10,000X background radiation so radionuclides can be sequestered.
Info on both of these:
http://holisticradioprotection.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/bioremediation/
All the best,
Jonathan
Sunflowers will save the world??
Sheesh, that's a lot of holisticcrap.com
How to contain the smoke from the burning fuel rods.
If that pool collapses, those rods are gonna burn up and release so much smoke, much more than Chernobyl. gotta contain that smoke.
you need carbon fiber poles, to hold up a free standing tent, made of lightweight, strong material. It only needs to stand up and contain the smoke, if it can be large enough to drop over the reactor, and weigh in under 9 tons, it can work. A helicopter can drop it on top, it will have a 4 foot diameter vent tube coming out the top, just enough to reach the ground.
After it is in place, robots can secure it with large lead weights, with hooks to attach to rings at the base. Then robots can hook up the vent section to another long tube, running back hundreds of yards, to a truck with a large ventilation pump and filters. The trucks will run and pump the smoke through charcoal filters.
This could contain the smoke, and clean the air for decades, charcoal filters are cheap, Japanese can make motors that run for decades.
Also, if two helicopter cranes could carry this, or 3 or 4, you could make it up to 30 or 40 tons, that would definitely be easy to too. Aluminum poles and cheap tarp material, would cost next to nothing to at least try, but would at least contain the radiactive smoke.
Thank You For Sharing the Site!
@ Jonathan:
Thank you for sharing the site on bioremediation, etc.
Solution: bury with underground nuke
1) Drill deep enough under Fukushima site.
2) Detonate underground nuke to create a large enough cavern.
3) Detonate smaller bombs to break the ceiling so whole contaminated site falls deep underground.
4) Fill hole with soil from elsewhere that was contaminated since March, then cover with rocks and concrete.
Then dismantle all the other nuclear plants on the planet and send the radioactive material back underground where it belongs. Replace these with clean power plants such as http://www.kitegen.com/en/?page_id=7
Sorry dude
Waste of time, at best
I participated in several underground nuclear blasts, as a shale oil development project. The results were minimal.
Those would be igneous rocks and they don't budge. So much of the blast-force would be directed upward, scattering even more radinuclide waste across Japan, the NW Pacific and the atmosphere. Are you aiming for an Extinction Event? Because, that would be a substantial risk of your proposed blast.
Extinction Events are NOT FUN!
But that would be a personal opinion.
Keep flooding
The only choice they have right now is to keep flooding the reactor
and containment vessels. And hope that they eventually cool so, they
don't pose any further threat of explosion. And then begin the long
uncertain process of trying to clean up the site. If that's even
possible. They may have to give up on cleaning it up. The interior of
the reactors are going to remain VERY radioactive for a very long time.
And I don't know if mankind has the technology to deal with such a
dismantling and clean up effort. The reactors and radioactive material
may need to be left in place and enclosed like Chernobyl. However, unlike
Chernobyl, this site is right next to the ocean. So, if it's not sealed
off well, the contamination will continue to find its way into the Pacific.
So, it will be a permanent source of radioactive pollution on the east
coast of Japan.
Of course, continuing the flooding means more contaminated water flowing
right back out of the reactors and into the building and surrounding area
(into the ground, ground water and ocean). But, it's a damned if you do
and damned if you don't situation. There is no magically clean way out of
this mess.
Obama is on his way over
Obama is on his way over right now and just relayed a message that he has everything under control. Take a deep breath, indoors :).
Really not so...
What makes you think Obama is on his way over ?
What proof do you have ?
Cleaner form of energy.
All they have to do is scrap trying to fix the reactor all in all and find an alternate method to create the amount of energy needed to sustain the region. There is a soltion, but the question is, are they ready to take that step. New greener technology should be available soon if not alredy implemented in that location. The proposed soltion was to implement a new type of generator to be located into their mountain side. That way, if a catastrophe like this was to happen again, the devistation would be kept at a minimal. Only the surrounding region would feel the effects. Rebuilding society in that area wouldnt be as difficult as it is now. That area is prone to tsunami, it happened before and it happened again... I cant see into the future but i gurantee its bound to happen in the future. This time, if implemented correctly, the situation wouldnt be so bad. Any better ideas??? In my opinion, this would be one of the most effective
Cleaner form of energy.
All they have to do is scrap trying to fix the reactor all in all and find an alternate method to create the amount of energy needed to sustain the region. There is a soltion, but the question is, are they ready to take that step. New greener technology should be available soon if not alredy implemented in that location. The proposed soltion was to implement a new type of generator to be located into their mountain side. That way, if a catastrophe like this was to happen again, the devistation would be kept at a minimal. Only the surrounding region would feel the effects. Rebuilding society in that area wouldnt be as difficult as it is now. That area is prone to tsunami, it happened before and it happened again... I cant see into the future but i gurantee its bound to happen in the future. This time, if implemented correctly, the situation wouldnt be so bad. Any better ideas??? In my opinion, this would be one of the most effective