Fukushima Daiichi - 2 Years Later
Fukushima Dai Ichi - 2 Years Later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfshRO79FBo
Fukushima 2 years on -
Nuclear fallout impact bigger than established
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Fukushima Dai Ichi - 2 Years Later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfshRO79FBo
Fukushima 2 years on -
Nuclear fallout impact bigger than established
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SFPs cooling system failure Mar 18, 2013
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/18/japan-daiichi-nuclear-plan...
Fukushima Cooling System Failure
Oh oh, here we go again ...
Also, what are the cooling parameters in the spent fuel pools?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/18/japan-daiichi-nuclear-plan...
"Currently the cooling systems in reactors one, three and four are not operational and representatives from TEPCO are unsure how to fix them."
"However TEPCO says it should have a solution within a few days and that the fuel rods stored in the pools will remain safe for at least four days without fresh cooling water."
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Good to see that the USA news media is 'all over this'. At this time there is NOT ONE USA media reference to this 'little situration' at the Fukushima Dai Ichi nuclear power station.
You simply could not make this stuff up.
100% nuclear contamination
90% exceed Government maximum radio-cesium limits, NONE are ‘Safe’.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57574739/japan-fishing-crippled-2-...
Lucy Craft, Reporter: This fishing boat is only 12 miles south of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. They’re out catching fish just as they did before the accident, but only a fraction of their usual catch. None of this will be allowed to go on sale — it’s only for testing purposes. Some fish still show high levels of radioactive cesium. Of the coastal fish tested, the government finds roughly 10 percent are safe to eat.
Ken Buessler, marine chemist from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute: Those reactors — either by the cooling water that’s still being put on there that’s leaking out, or the contamination of the site — are still releasing cesium to the ocean.
3 MISSING Cores & 2.6X Chernobyl Cs-137
Fukushima Daiichi workers have been unable to locate any of the three melted cores
“at least 260% MORE cesium-137 than was released in 1986 by the last big nuclear dirty bomb that went off at Chernobyl in the Ukraine”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/11/1193265/-Fukushima-2-Years-After
News You Won't See On Your TeeVee
On March 11, 2011 a monstrous earthquake off the northeastern coast of Japan generated a tsunami which hit the coast to wipe out farms, villages, towns, and about 20,000 people. It also caused the total meltdown of 3 out of 6 power reactors at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, catastrophic explosions and spent fuel fires at 4 of the 6 plants, and the release of at least 260% MORE cesium-137 than was released in 1986 by the last big nuclear dirty bomb that went off at Chernobyl in the Ukraine.
At Fukushima Daiichi, workers have been unable to locate any of the three melted cores, and as of March 2013, there are still over 10 million becquerels per hour, or 240 million becquerels per day, of radioactive cesium being released from the reactors.
Now, TEPCO attempts to minimize these numbers by pointing out that the cesium release from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi reactors was about 800 trillion becquerels per hour right after the disaster, but the fact remains, that a 10 million becquerel release would be a nuclear disaster in itself at any nuclear facility not named Fukushima Daiichi or operated by TEPCO.
Well I would like to take
Well I would like to take this opportunity to thank Dr. Helen Caldicott for her timely and prescient warning about the danger of Fukushima to the west coast of the united states. I can scarcely imagine the death toll and devastation that would have occurred if we had ignored her warning to evacuate the west coast.
Oh wait ...
we did ignore it ... and nothing happened.
Inconceivable!
Diemos
So Far - So Good
The window washer fell from the 101st floor, while talking on his cell.
How are you, his friend asked at the 82nd floor? The window washer replied from the 53rd floor …
So Far - So Good!
Some people living in Left Coast, Boise, Kansas and New England ‘Hot Spots’ suffered miscarriages, cardiac problems and the like. Others received the final insult to mutate some neoplasms (cancer). Some immune systems were compromised. Diemos does not PERSONALLY have a cancer diagnosis or cardiac insufficiency … yet.
So Far - So Good!
Diemos Statistics = F
Diemos again demonstrates abject mathematics illiteracy.
Evidently Diemos' math deficits extend to elementary probability & statistics.
Hmm ... Pre-trigonometry and no statistics ... That would match up with a middle-school dropout, or thereabouts.
Still there is no evidence that Diemos and/or Rude Dog ever passed classes in plane geometry or algebra 1.
They are stupid to the core of their existence and utterly out of their depth on any engineering blog.
TTFN
left in the dark
“the public was intentionally left in the dark”
http://nihongonews.wordpress.com/category/fukushima-two-years-later/
Nihongo News - Articles, insights and opinions concerning issues related to Japan.
Fukushima Two Years Later … Mar 11 2013
Fukushima: What We Know Now
During the initial stage of the nuclear aspect of Japan’s 3.11.11. triple disaster the public was intentionally left in the dark regarding the imminent dangers that threatened their lives, their family, their property, and their livelihood.
The future holds nothing less than a pandemic of tragic proportions for the residents of Fukushima in the decades to follow.
What We Now Know
What We Know Now
http://nihongonews.wordpress.com/category/fukushima-two-years-later/
Fukushima Two Years Later … Mar 11 2013 What We Know Now
The scenario the experts had warned TEPCO about and which the company ignored, became a reality. At Daiichi, there would be no way to keep the nuclear fuel from melting down. The only thing TEPCO could think to do was to keep the matter a secret from the public for as long as they could.
By 9:00 a.m. on the morning of the 12th the villages around the plant were finally evacuated. TEPCO ordered the venting team to go in. Plant logs show the first two volunteers went in at 9:04 a.m. Radiation reading were extremely high. Each worker was limited to seventeen minutes in the reactor building. Radiation was inevitably vented from the reactors. Mayors in nearby towns of Soma, and Haranoumachi could see the radiation clouds moving toward their communities. Nobody from TEPCO, or the Japanese government bothered telling them to evacuate.
On March 11th, 2011 at 2:46 p.m. the earth began to shake violently.
At 3:15 p.m., waves traveling at more than 500 m.p.h., (according to Britain’s National Oceanography Center), and more than 40’ in height made their way toward Japan’s entire eastern coastline.
At 3:35 p.m. the biggest of a series of waves struck Daiichi. It was more than twice the height of the plants seawall. In 2009, TEPCO had been warned by a government committee of scientists that its tsunami defenses were inadequate. TEPCO ignored those warnings.
Please stay indoors!
Finally, a LOCAL warning for a HEMISPHERIC threat
http://nihongonews.wordpress.com/category/fukushima-two-years-later/
Nihongo News - Articles, insights and opinions concerning issues related to Japan.
Fukushima Two Years Later … Mar 11 2013 - Fukushima: What We Know Now
On Tuesday, March 15th, the International Atomic Energy Agency said that radiation dose rates of up to 400 millisievert (mSv) per hour had been reported at the Fukushima plant site immediately following one of the explosions. In comparison, a typical chest X-ray exposes an individual to about 0.02 mSv.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano would reveal that levels had risen to over 1,000 millisieverts, before the dose level began falling again to 600-800 millisieverts per hour, which is still considered unsafe for workers. ”So the workers cannot carry out even minimal work at the plant now,” Edano said. “Because of the radiation risk, we are on standby.”
“Please do not go outside. Please stay indoors. Please close windows and make your homes airtight. Don’t turn on ventilators. Please hang your laundry indoors,” Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said to the residents in the danger zone.
Brainless anti-nukes and contrived consequences
The idiot anti-nukes are alive and well with their contrived consequences on the 2nd anniversary of the Fukushima accident.
However, the scientists from the World Health Organization tell us that the health consequences due to the accident will be so minor as to be below the threshold of detection:
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-fukushima-radia...
While the situation has stabilized to a large degree — a recent report from the World Health Organization indicated that lifetime cancer risks for people in the area were increased only slightly, at “below detectable levels”..
Independent reputable scientists are telling us that the consequences to the health of the Japanese people will be minor, and even below the threshold for detection.
Meanwhile, the anti-nukes are demonstrating their abject stupidity and appalling lack of a moral compass as they attempt to "spin" the plight of the Japanese as something terrible. It is amusing to see the contrived consequences the anti-nuke morons spin when they don't have the scientific facts on their side.
Captive Agency
The World Health Organization is a CAPTIVE Agency
On May 28, 1959, at the 12th World Health Assembly, WHO drew up an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency. A clause of this agreement says the WHO effectively grants the right of prior approval over any research it might undertake or report on to the IAEA – a group that many people, including journalists, think is a neutral watchdog, but which is, in fact, an advocate for the nuclear power industry. Its founding papers state: ”The agency shall seek to accelerate and enlarge the contribution of atomic energy to peace, health and prosperity through the world.”
Captive Agencies
Captive Agencies
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-08/un-s-atomic-regulator-funds-ter...
UN Atomic Agency Funds Anti-Terrorism, Not Safety
By Jonathan Tirone - Dec 8, 2011 9:09 AM CT .
“The IAEA has disseminated reports on updates at Fukushima, but the source of the information is the Japanese government,” Matsumura said. “If the Japanese government chooses to remain opaque in its dealings, then the IAEA reports will be useless.”
Rude Dog is utterly unqualified
Rude Dog is utterly unqualified to offer ANY benefit to ANY engineering and scientific discussion.
It has been established that Rude Dog has a pre-trig, pre-AG (functions) math background. It has NOT been established that Rude Dog even has an algebra background. This lack of formal education is LIED about routinely by the Rude Dog, which boldly highlights his moral bankruptcy and underlying stupidity.
Rude Dog, YOU are obviously and Grossly IGNORANT, on ALL technical subjects and you are a moral disaster area.
You even LIE when any EDUCATED person would know the truth would serve you better. That constitutes a level of functional insanity.
TTFN
I'm NOT Rude Dog
Again, "TTFN", or Bill Duff; or whatever this nitwit's current nom-de-plume is; I'm not Rude Dog. The article in the LA Times speaks for itself. I'm not relying on my expertise. The respected World Health Organization is the entity that is telling us that the health consequences will be minor; contrary to the flotsam one gets from the forum's anti-nuclear propagandists.
Rude Dog
Certainly you are the Rude Dog. Every ignorant expression betrays your identity. The Rude Dog can be easily spotted at 1,000 meters. Lying about your identity is typical. The Rude Dog LIES about everything.
You R pegged!
TTFN
Wrong-O dipwad!
One can easily see how this brainless twit is so mentally defective, and obsessed with Rude Dog. Not everyone with a functioning forebrain is Rude Dog. When you think everyone else in the world is Rude Dog, then you are probably deluding yourself.
Rude Dog
Not everyone is the Rude Dog
However, YOU 'R' the Lying Rude Dog.
Same old lies. Same old liar.
TTFN
Fukushima: 2 Years Later
Fukushima: 2 years later
http://citymag.lu/2013/03/11/fukushima-2-years-later/ 11 March 2013 citymag
Director Alain de Halleux’s film follows a year in the life of a number of families living in Minamisoma, some 20 kilometres from the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant.
The film examines the hopes and fears of these families who live on the edge of the exclusion zone. They now face scientific uncertainty and hesitation by the authorities. On whom can they rely? Should they stay or leave? Each family has to make its own decisions, but they are constantly faced with the threat of a new earthquake, a new tsunami.
De Halleux will be at the screening to discuss the film.
11/03, 20:30, vo, (st Fr), Cinémathèque
What do the scientists say?
Although the various news media are hyping the Fukushima accident for their own parochial reasons; it is instructive to ask what the scientists say about the consequences of the accident.
The World Health Organization has released their assessments of the consequences of the Fukushima accident:
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-fukushima-radia...
While the situation has stabilized to a large degree — a recent report from the World Health Organization indicated that lifetime cancer risks for people in the area were increased only slightly, at “below detectable levels”
So in spite of all the hew and cry that the consequences would be horrible; the scientific experts state that the consequences are so mild that they will be below our ability to detect them.
Of course, that probably isn't going to stop some brain-dead anti-nuclear IDIOT from claiming that there is a massive conspiracy by the scientists or the government, or whoever. They will claim that every eminent scientist in "on the take" or controlled by the omnipotent forces of the evil "nuclear industry". Of course, they will offer ZERO evidence for their claims; because there isn't any.
Rude Dog Lying with every 'WOOF'
More Rude Dog Lying
The WHO is a CAPTIVE AGENCY for the Commercial NPP Industry
It is quite old news.
More Rude Dog Lying. Nothing new in that! Same-O - Same-O
TTFN
Does the "nuclear industry" own the entire United Nations?
Bozo the Clown claims that the World Health Organization is a "captive agency" of the "nuclear industry". The World Health Organization is a unit of the United Nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization
Does the "nuclear industry" own the entire United Nations; or just the WHO?
Thanks for asking
Yes, the IAEA and the WHO are captive agencies, in the direct employ, of the commercial NPP industry.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has for its entire existence, been a captive agency to the commercial nuclear power plant (NPP) industry. The World Health Organization (WHO) has been completely under the sway of the IAEA, with respect to nuclear hazards, since 1959. The WHO is therefore a captive agency by proxy. This Captive Agency, the WHO has been UTTERLY and COMPLETELY COMPROMISED during the ONGOING Fukushima Daiichi multiple NPP meltdown and PANDEMIC.
A fairly recent and somewhat similar situation occurred in the UN Oil For Food (OFF) scandal; to wit:
http://www.economist.com/node/10853611 Mar 13th 2008
The UN's oil-for-food scandal - Rolling up the culprits
http://www.humanrightsvoices.org/assets/attachments/articles/4648.doc
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119637236006908436.html
Wall Street Journal November 30, 2007
Oil for Food Convictions: The U.N. prosecutions are just a drop in the ocean of dirty cash
Reading comprehension problem???
The idiot above didn't answer my very simple question.
I didn't ask the moron whether the WHO and the IAEA were "owned" by the "nuclear industry". For the sake of argument, I'm accepting the word of this mental defective as to the WHO / IAEA being "owned" by the "nuclear industry".
I am pointing out to the above poster, who is someone who probably hasn't graduated from high school yet; that both the WHO and IAEA are agencies under the United Nations.
I posed an extremely simple question to the brainless twit above; to whit, is this dummy contending that the parent organization, the United Nations; is that also an "owned" agency of the nuclear industry.
Evidently, the above idiot didn't understand the question; because he / she dodged the question and answered another one that wasn't asked.
Dummy; are you so mentally deficient that you can't answer my question about the United Nations?
Is the United Nations a "captive agency" of the "nuclear industry" also?
Can you give me a simple yes / no answer to that question you brainless dipwad?
The Answer
The ANSWER to the Rude Dog question.
The captive UN agencies are indicated above.
Engineers can't use more formal terminology such as 'solution set' with math illiterates, such as the Rude Dog.
The organizational structure of the UN is well defined. Rude Dog does not understand the answer. There are MANY things that Rude Dog does not understand.
The United Nations Security Council and the United Nations General Assembly are NOT presently considered to be wholy owned subsidiaries of the commercial NPP industry. The relationship is more of a 'Lease Purchase'. Only 245 more monthly payments to go before clear title is issued.
TTFN
DUMMY - assumes facts not in evidence
As I have previously stated, I'm not Rude Dog. I'm also not Diemos. I'm asking for clarification since I am attempting to understand what the above idiot is saying.
So the above moron contends that the Security Council and the General Assembly are not "owned" by the "nuclear industry". However, the WHO and IAEA are answerable to the United Nations / Security Council / General Assembly.
Now, Bozo the Clown tells us that both the IAEA and WHO, who are answerable to the United Nations, is owned by the nuclear industry and that the arrangement is a "Lease Purchase".
So it is the United Nations that is collecting monetary payments from the nuclear industry, and in return the United Nations is ordering the IAEA and WHO to do the bidding of the "nuclear industry". So this poster is saying that the United Nations is essentially "for sale", and is collecting money for services rendered by its subordinate agencies, the WHO and IAEA.
Is this money retained by the United Nations? What does the United Nations do with this money? Do they distribute it to the member nations? Does the idiot above have any idea how much the United Nations sells the services of the WHO and the IAEA?
More like a 0 (Goose Egg)
STILL NOT 'GETTING IT' so your grade is zero
It is possible to WHOLLY OWN Chicago, or Detroit and not own Illinois, Michigan and or the national government. This concept can be expressed mathematically, but that language is probably WAY out of your league, much like the rest of the vast field of mathematics.
The IAEA and WHO are WHOLLY OWNED by the commercial NPP Industry. The Parent Organization, the UN General Assembly and the UN Security Council arrangement with the commercial NPP industry is better characterized as a 'Lease Purchase'.
Oh, and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization clearly demonstrated that it is 'crooked as a snake's back', in the ONGOING Fukushima Multiple Nuclear Meltdown SAGA. The CTBTO radiation detection network has proven to be USELESS to civilian populations in time of need.
The commercial NPP industry is a BLIGHT on human existence.
TTFN
Not making the case.
It could be that CTBTO is being completely honest and scientifically accurate. The above poster doesn't like what CTBTO has to say. Therefore, the above poster could totally fabricate the contention that CTBTO is "bought and paid for" by the "nuclear industry".
That is another possible explanation for what the above poster is saying. It is therefore incumbent upon the above poster to offer us some evidence as to the dishonesty of the CTBTO. Just saying, "I don't like what CTBTO has to say" is not evidence that CTBTO is being dishonest. That just means that we have a self-righteous moron making vapid accusations.
So I would like to see some evidence that CTBTO is being dishonest beyond the unsubstantiated comments of a poster who doesn't like what CTBTO has to say.
So do you have any evidence? Do you have measurements by CTBTO that contradict measurements by independent reputable scientists? If you have such evidence; please present it. If not; then STFU.
SILENT as the GRAVE
No DATA
CTBTO was SILENT whilest the Fukushima meltdowns and explosions ROCKED Japan and the NW Pacific Ocean. The ALARM was silent which adversely compromises the health, safety and lives of MILLIONS of Japanese citizens.
So also did the USA, TEPCO and Japan keep silent.
This SILENCE, in the face of KNOWN and GRAVE DANGER, is a CRIMINAL ACT.
It is similar to removing the 'Bridge Out' or 'Elevator out of Order' warning signs.
The systems to alert the public, paid for by the public, were DISABLED. No warning went out and people died. CTBTOsuxBIG
CTBTO, USA, Japan and TEPCO are jointly and severally criminal, in their orchestrated SILENCE.
TTFN
You should direct your ire to
You should direct your ire to NARAC, not the CTBTO.
I was rather annoyed with their silence myself.
Diemos
NARAC isn't suppose to interact with the public.
NARAC doesn't put out public information. NARAC reports to the Administration. It is the Administration that decides what information to release.
For example, from the NARAC website:
https://narac.llnl.gov/
In an emergency situation (if lives are at risk), event-specific NARAC support for non-NARAC customers can be requested through the Department of Energy Watch Office.
If lives are at risk, information from NARAC can be requested from the Department of Energy. NARAC doesn't give out information directly. Remember that NARAC is part of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory as can be seen from the above web link. Information from Lawrence Livermore goes to the Administration, i.e. the Department of Energy, and it is the DOE and the Administration that decides what information is to be released. NARAC doesn't sound alarms or warnings on its own volition. It reports to the Administration, and the Administration decides on appropriate action.
You're Fired
Money's Tight,
Times are Hard,
Here's a Little Pink 'You're Fired' Card!
I strongly oppose the EXISTENCE of taxpayer funded agencies that do not provide the CITIZENRY with TIMELY notices of Clear and Present biological, meteorlogical and/or radiological Hazards. They are a total waste of money and office furniture.
I won't panic and do not care if a few timid folk swoon or panic. The American Public has been living under threat of atomic attack for DECADES. So what if a few 'scaredy cats' run in circles, scream and cry. The politicians are generally the only COWARDS. The rest of us bear up just fine to threats: real, imagined, imminent and/or overhyped.
If and when, North Korea, Iran, China, Russia, Israel, England, France, India and/or Pakistan launch a nuclear attack against the USA or each other, OR yet another GE Mark-1 NPP reactor meltdown is underway ... the USA Taxpayers should be alerted IMMEDIATELY. We may want to hunker down behind a laurel bush or duck & cover in an appropriate shelter. We may choose to ingest KI, communion wine or a shot of good whiskey.
TTFN
NARAC did its job properly
NARAC did its job properly. NARAC is part of the Department of Energy.
NARAC's job is not to inform the public or media. NARAC reports to the President on emergencies. It is up to the President to make decisions as to what to tell the public, and what information will be released to the public.
For example, NARAC informed the President that the radiation levels were too high where the USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier was located. The President then told the US Navy to move the carrier. That is how the system works. NARAC doesn't report to the public nor the Navy directly. NARAC reports to the President in emergencies and it is up to the President to determine what information and to whom that information is released.
Interregnum
Too gawdamn bad that there is NO president.
There is only an illegitimate Present Resident in the White House.
The USA may POSSIBLY benefit when by election and/or overthrow, an Article II qualified PRESIDENT is inaugurated. Or, restoration of Constitutional Governance may be too long delayed, to reverse the ongoing USA economic collapse.
The interregnum continues and the USA fast approaches the BRINK crossed over by Chicago, Detroit, Illinois, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations and Greece.
Tick Tock
OH LORD!! Our resident forum IDIOT is a "birther"
OH LORD!! Our resident forum IDIOT is a "birther"
That pretty much, in and of itself; speaks to the mental competence, or lack thereof; of this particular poster.
Poorly Crafted Fake IDs
The evidence:
It was suggested by the Hillary Clinton election campaign that Obama was ‘not American enough’. It was requested that Obama birth challenges be submitted to the 50 secretaries of state. My letter added an Electoral College protest, and was published on the various Hillary campaign websites.
I downloaded, in several formats, the various purported Obama ‘birth certificates’ as they were posted to the web. The documents were examined ‘layer by fraudulent layer’ at the pixel level. The documents were inconsistent with the IMPACT typewriters (Smith Corona & IBM Selectric) of the relevant time period. The documents were poorly photo-shopped frauds. Subsequent to a personal review, several friends with military intelligence and photo-recon backgrounds were contacted about the findings. Their examinations uncovered more and more evidences and proofs of fraudulence.
The office of POTUS lies as VACANT as the throne of James II. This is merely one of MANY frauds in the ALL-fraud present regime and the ALL-fraud USA economy.
TTFN
Civic officials are the ones that make the call.
Civic officials are the ones that make the call.
Suppose there was an accident similar to the refinery fire in northern Contra Costa county a few months back. Suppose it wasn't a refinery fire, but an accident at a pesticide chemical plant as happened in Bhopal, India. Releases from the plant may necessitate that the public in the vicinity be evacuated.
In any evacuation, you need to have an orderly exodus. Recall the recent nightclub fire and the nightclub fire in Rhode Island involving the rock group "Great White". In those fires, people streamed toward the doors which became blocked, and people were trapped and killed.
If the authorities are informed by the Administration, which in turn is informed by NARAC, that an evacuation is necessary; then the local police and civic authorities can oversee an orderly evacuation from the area.
Suppose instead that NARAC takes it upon itself to tell the public, "You are in danger, get out QUICK!"; then you have a situation analogous to the nightclub fires. Panicked residents hit the roads, and the highways become clogged.
Clearly, the best outcome is for an orderly exodus overseen by civil authorities. You don't want NARAC, in essence; "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater". That's why NARAC is compelled, by law; to report to the Administration, and the Administration decides on the appropriate action and information release. If you want to save lives; it is the only way.
That's a lovely
That's a lovely vision.
Benevolent and wise civil servants using their privileged information to do the greatest good for the greatest number.
It's a pity that in reality the hoi polloi will be left to die in place since the alternatives would cost too much. (After all, we're not running out of hoi polloi, and the 47% don't contribute anything anyway.)
So no. I'm not content for my benevolent and wise leaders to make decisions for me. Give me the information and I'll make decisions for myself.
Remember, the people in the twin towers who disobeyed instructions to stay at their desks and instead headed for the stairs are the ones who survived.
Diemos
Be that as it may..
Be that as it may...
You may not trust the public officials.
However, the LAW crafted by Congress which charters NARAC, the Remote Sensing Lab, and the other DOE emergency response capabilities; REQUIRES that NARAC report to DOE and that DOE and the Administration make the decisions.
You can't fault people for following the LAW that created their jobs.
We PAID for the DATA
The Citizens of the USA and Japan PAID for the gawdamn DATA.
WE WANT the GAWDAMN DATA in REAL TIME.
Some will EVACUATE unnecessarily. Some will procrastinate to their DOOM. Some will panic. Some will take calm, cool action. So FRIGGING WHAT!
The Alphabet Soup Agency Filters do NOT serve the public interest, and the last SEVERAL 'administrations' have scrudethePOOCH and proved it.
Post the DATA, post haste 24/7/365. Then discuss and interpret to your heart's content.
The OWNER has the right to know. The 'help' should be Imprisoned, impoverished and EXECUTED for EVER even questioning that right.
Not interested in saving lives, I see!!!
The above poster isn't interested in saving lives, I see!
The above poster states:
Some will EVACUATE unnecessarily. Some will procrastinate to their DOOM. Some will panic. Some will take calm, cool action. So FRIGGING WHAT!
Bozo - we are interested in saving lives. Consider the case of those nightclub fires. The nightclubs patrons panicked, ran for the doors, there was a pile-up at the doors, the patrons were trapped, and succumbed to the fire.
In an emergency, we need to have an orderly exodus, and not a panic. When people panic, the doors become blocked, and people are trapped and don't escape. People died because of the panic.
It's really HYPOCRITICAL for someone to claim that they want the information in order to save lives, when it is readily apparent that is not the above poster's motives. The poster above doesn't care if people die or not. He / she has some ill-considered contention that information property rights trump all other considerations; including whether people are killed or not.
In an emergency, the best outcome and the best chance for saving lives is to have an orderly exodus. In the nightclubs, it would have been better if people didn't panic and exited the clubs in an orderly manner so that lives could be saved. When a geographic region is threatened, and evacuation is necessary; we need to have an orderly exodus supervised by the civil officials so that the highways and by-ways do not become clogged and useless.
Saving lives is the "prime directive" here. That means that the information needs to be controlled and dispensed in a controlled manner so that we don't have a panic. Our poster above eschews this, and says, So FRIGGING WHAT!
Typical of the immature mind of the above poster. The "what" in this case is that dispensing the information in an uncontrolled manner could engender the panic, and result in needless deaths. That's not what we want.
The "owner" of the information is the US Government, and not the individual taxpayers. Our elected representatives and administrators need to use the information in a manner that results in the best possible outcome and saves the most lives.
The information needs to be used to save the most lives; and other consideration such as the instant gratification aspect touted by the above poster are of secondary, or even tertiary importance.
BALONEY!!!
Our resident IDIOT is in ERROR in proclaiming that the citizens of Japan paid for the NARAC data. The data / analysis was collected / analyzed by units of the Department of Energy. The Department of Energy "Remote Sensing Laboratory" based in Las Vegas collected the data, and NARAC based at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory analyzed the data:
https://str.llnl.gov/JanFeb12/pdfs/1.12.2.pdf
Both of these organizations are part of the Department of Energy. The citizens of Japan didn't pay for anything collected by the US Department of Energy. The citizens of the USA paid for that data.
However, just because the citizens paid for the information doesn't mean it is owned by individual citizens. It is owned by the US Government. For example, the citizens of the USA paid for the designs of the thermonuclear weapons or Hydrogen-bombs that were designed by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Does that mean that any old person that is a US citizen has a right to have a copy of those nuclear weapon designs because all US citizens somehow "personally own" those designs? Of course not.
The citizens of the USA also pay for the National Security Agency which makes the cryptographic codes for the USA. Does that mean individuals get to see the secret codes?
The above poster is being infantile and ridiculous in his / her assertions.
YOU AIN'T WE
You speak for no one but yourself.
You ain't WE.
QEII can say 'WE are not amused', the Royal We.
Rude Dogs & Diemos speak for nobody but themselves.
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Almost; but not quite
Although individuals speak for themselves; they can also relate facts.
The fact of the matter is that the US Congress, our elected representatives that DO speak for us in terms of legal matters; has written the laws and regulations that individuals such as myself are reporting.
The laws and regulations as promulgated by the US Congress are that the organizations such as NARAC and the Remote Sensing Lab are capabilities that report to their parent organization, the Department of Energy.
When there is an emergency; these organizations report their results to the President for determination and action.
NARAC and the Remote Sensing Lab are composed of, and run by, private contractors. One doesn't want private contractors making the determination as to what information is provided. Instead, these private contractors are required to provide the information to the President, and our elected representative, the President; makes the decision as to what information is released, and how it is used.
The pitiful idiot above doesn't understand Civics
Bozo the Clown evidently doesn't understand that the city of Chicago is not answerable to the State of Illinois, and the city of Detroit is not answerable to the State of Michigan in the same way that the WHO and IAEA are answerable to the United Nations.
Dumbo; do you not realize that the City of Chicago, and the City of Detroit have their own charters, and are not parts of the governments the States of Illinois and Michigan. Go to the websites of either State and look at the chart of the organization of either State; you will not find either city.
Both of the cities mentioned by the above mental defective, have their own charters and are answerable to their own electorates. They are not directly answerable to the governments of their respective States; they are answerable to their citizenry.
That is not the case with the WHO and IAEA; they do not have their own citizenry to whom they are answerable. They are answerable to the parent organization; the United Nations.
Evidently, the confused pea-brain above wants to tell us that there is a "Lease Purchase" arrangement, evidently the WHO and IAEA being purchased from their parent organization, the United Nations; yet the dummy doesn't want to implicate the United Nations in the transaction.
Somehow, dummy wants us to believe that the United Nations are pure as the driven snow; but that their subordinate organizations are being purchased by the highest bidder. If the WHO and the IAEA are being "lease purchased"; then from whom are those two being "lease purchased" aside from their parent organization, the United Nations.
Can this idiot tell us whether their is some culpability on behalf of the United Nations? Is it proper for the United Nations to sell the services / opinion of its subordinate organizations; or is this being done without the knowledge of the member nations.
I'd like to understand if this dullard has thought through his contentions enough to tell us who the ultimate villains are in this "arrangement". Evidently, the WHO and IAEA are being "purchased", but their owner is not culpable. Then who is selling the WHO / IAEA and who is collecting the money.
This bears on the non-existent credibility of the moron posting the above contentions. At present, we have a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, but the organization that is ultimately responsible for the WHO and IAEA is not implicated in these sordid dealings.
This is the first that another United Nations organization, the CTBTO has also been implicated. Is the CTBTO also for sale under the "lease purchase" agreement? Perhaps dummy could tell us in what manner the CTBTO radiation detection network has proven to be useless. What is this idiot looking for from the CTBTO?
The true blight on human existence are people who can't really get their thoughts and ideas together and organized into a coherent whole that the rest of us can understand.
NOT
NOT SO!
Both the above cities are in default, broke and subject to outside supervision.
Chicago went down and took Illinois with it.
Detroit went down and Michigan 'cut them loose' to drown in their self-made cesspool.
The details are 'in the news' every day.
TTFN
Home Rule & City Charters in MI
http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/docs/CharterCommission/pdf/Feb2010/Ch...
Until 1908 Michigan cities operated under Dillon’s Rule, as opposed to the Cooley Doctrine. The Legislature wrote the Charters for the City of Detroit in 1802, 1815, and 1857. Home Rule was adopted in the 1909 Michigan Constitution and re-stated in the 1963 Constitution.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-279-of-1909.pdf
THE HOME RULE CITY ACT- Act 279 of 1909
AN ACT to provide for the incorporation of cities and for revising and amending their charters; to provide for certain powers and duties; to provide for the levy and collection of taxes by cities, borrowing of money, and issuance of bonds or other evidences of indebtedness; to validate actions taken, bonds issued, and obligations heretofore incurred; to prescribe penalties and provide remedies; and to repeal acts and parts of acts on specific dates.
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SUPERSEDED!!!
The forum's resident IDIOT cites the laws of Michigan that provide for the creation of cities in Michigan and their charters.
However, the new "emergency financial manager" or EFM for the City of Detroit was created pursuant to Public Act 436 passed by the Michigan legislature in the last few months.
Evidently the above poster doesn't understand that the Michigan legislature passed PA 436 with current laws in mind, and that the provisions of PA 436 SUPERSEDES any provisions of the older laws that are in conflict with PA 436.
Come on, dummy; put your brain in gear. The Michigan state legislature passed the laws that provide for the creation of cities in the 19th and 20th centuries. However, now some of those cities are in trouble, and the Michigan legislature has passed a law to provide for the creation of emergency managers. You can't say the Michigan legislature in 2013 can't do something because of something the Michigan legislature did in 1909. The Michigan legislature can certainly change the law.
This is just more indication of the abject infantile understanding the above poster has of the law and facts in general. I don't know how many people would actually think that a legislature is constrained by what the same legislature did at a previous time.
There are people that don't like the EFM for Detroit; mostly they are the same people that caused the problems that Detroit has. However, from watching the reports on the EFM on the Detroit TV channels and the response of the people and the "man on the street"; they are all hopeful that the EFM can get Detroit finances back on track.
Of course, this discussion is a diversion. Cities in Michigan are not part of the State government; they were created pursuant to laws passed by the Michigan legislature and their "takeover" is also pursuant to laws passed by the Michigan legislature to deal with an emergency situation.
That doesn't alter the fact that the WHO, IAEA, and CTBTO are agencies of the United Nations and directly responsible to the United Nations parent organization. If anyone is "buying" or doing a "lease purchase" of the WHO, IAEA, or CTBTO; then they are "buying" that agency from the United Nations.
The details are in the news; too bad you didn't read them.
The details are in the news; too bad you didn't read them.
If the City of Detroit government were a part of the State of Michigan government; then it would be answerable to the Governor of Michigan. Governor Synder could take action on his own volition, using his authority as Governor.
However, the Governor doesn't have that power under the Michigan Constitution. NO - Governor Synder is acting using additional authority that was given him by the Michigan Legislature to deal with this crisis.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/detroit-financial-emergency-neu...
As cities across the state of Michigan found themselves on the brink of fiscal crisis in 2011, Snyder strengthened an existing emergency financial manager law, Public Act 72, to become a more powerful emergency manager law called Public Act 4. Voters repealed PA 4 at the polls last November, but that wasn't the end of emergency managers in Michigan. During a rushed legislative period in which the state's GOP made headlines for passing right-to-work laws limiting unions' powers, Republican lawmakers also passed a new emergency manager law, known as Public Act 436, which goes into effect March 28.
The Michigan State Legislature had to give the Governor the power to deal with the City of Detroit. The Governor attempted to act under an older law; however the electorate of Michigan repealed the older law last November, which left the Governor powerless to take over Detroit.
However, the Michigan Legislature enacted a new law which doesn't take effect until later this month. It is that law that gives the authority to the Governor.
Every time the above poster offers a defense; that post gives us a view into the infantile understanding of the facts by the above poster.
Keep attempting to defend yourself; you are just digging yourself in deeper.
Distinctions without differences
Distinctions without differences will NOT sway engineers
Detroit has WALLOWED in their own CESSPOOL, since at least 2005. This has been to the dismay of some Michiganders and to the delight of others.
The City Charters, for local governance (home rule) are, for the most part, issued by the state. Some cities predate their states and there are a few other unique cases. That which the state charters, the state may amend or decharter.
Detroit IS under the thumb of Wall Street and a state 'MASSA' is being appointed.
http://ryansimmons.net/michifun/michgndr.html
You might be a Michigander ... If the four seasons are, Mud, The 4th of July, Mud, and Winter; OR If the two seasons are Construction and Winter.