China syndrome inevitable says architect of Fukushima Reactor No. 3 — Warns of massive hydrovolcanic explosion
Sounds like a RADIOACTIVE Krakatoa. Wouldn't be ironic if large chucks of a MOX corium core rained down on the very parties that brought this lovely technology to the world ?
http://enenews.com/china-syndrome-is-inevitable-says-architect-of-fukush...
Arnie gunderson on china syndrome
http://vimeo.com/user6415562
Arnie great explanation
So arnie believes theres really not enough decay heat to warrant a china syndrome .so don't expect to see that. but he adds since the nuclear cores are uncontained there's still a giant problem of water contamination and with containment compromised he feels this is our biggest ongoing problem releases into sea ground water ect..a big thank you to arnie for shedding some light on a subject many are carelessly tossing around .tdm
does identify, adapt, overcome, move on apply to an ELE ?
The well-studied Chernobyl catastrophe was, so far, a short-lived one time event with definable parameters of time, population and geographic impact. TEPCO's little kitchen accident looks like gas stove bomb and radioactive grease fire without end. If the architect of reactor 3 is right Japan may have created a perpetual radioactive 'old faithful', on steroids, with a possible cataclysmic blast always in the offing. Fukushima Daiichi, with it's vast and ongoing fissioning / geysering / expoding uncontrolled corium, will eventually equate to tens if not hundreds of Chernobyls.
The decline into chaos is already in evidence as Japan which, in the height of idiocy, works to create a second catastrophe by burning mountains of radioactive debris. Tokyo is already awash in this second wave of fallout. If the intent is to mask TEPCO's crimes in sea of fallout from the incinerators they are succeeding.
NOTHING stands between Japan, Fukushima Daiichi and the downwind West Coast except nice flat ocean.
Good work TEPCO.
Japan, if it survives as a viable autonomous state, may retreat to a very dark corner for several decades while it's population and economy implode. I foresee mass resignations from government and eventual military rule.
Considering the strong likelihood of an either militarized or anarchic Japan, isolated by intent and / or events, the question is will we (those not in the vicinity of the reactors) even know what is going on at the site in the future?
TEPCO and Japan, suffering from this extinction level event, could well devolve into a state where only a military force might gain entry. Of course those in control of satellites able to monitor have known and will continue to have a fine knowledge of the events at the site, but those are the very entities that have obfuscated the catastrophe from the beginning. We can expect no change and nothing in the way of mitigation from the Alfred E. Neuman, military industrial complex that run things as they fight hard to even acknowledge the gravity of the situation.
I do not think our western culture will be quite as stoic as the dying Japanese when the fallout arrives and region after region in North America goes pear-shaped and radioactive. It will become every man for himself. While some straggle of law enforcement will be around it will no doubt really be more of a 'every man for himself' on steroids rather that 'law enforcement'.
Many will not understand so there will eventually be a lots of slow death.
Clean air, water, food. Security. Those will be the order of the day for property owners that stick around and tough it out.
I am not yet sure what I will do. Playing it by ear. If it looks bad when one of the hydrovolcanic things blow I will cover, secure and split. That's my plan.
It is and always has been a YOYO world.
Allready downwind of 20 + nuclear bombs
Wow you could write a great science fiction based on your theory ... I say u can't and wont see taste or feel Fukushima in 20 plus years cancers attributable to Fukushima radiation will arrive but be lost in the noise . nuc industry "winning" .the thing that really has me questioning humanity's sensibility is the lack of urgency! Spent fuel still sits in uncontainable pools boiling away ,reactors ex vessel with no way to retrieve nuclear fuel !what is the next step in tepcos "roadmap" any one ?
Epidemiological Reality - 20 + nuclear bombs is NOTHING
Remember that the typical nuclear power plant is not only a power plant, but also a MASSIVE radwaste repository. Much of the radwaste from the plant is stored on site. There can be MANY (5 or more) core loads stored right next to the FUBAR reactors in FAILING, OVERCROWDED spent fuel pools. 4 reactors, and you get 20 plus cores. Much of the remaining radwaste is also somewhere on the site, in a common spent fuel pool.
The total inventory of Cs-137 at a nuclear plant of several reactors, including the spent fuel pools, can easily exceed by several times the total release from atmospheric nuclear testing. Simply walking away from a nuclear power plant (multiple reactors + radwaste repository) can result in a release exceeding that of all the atmospheric nuclear testing for the medium term pollutants (with half life of several decades).
In the old lap dog states that suffer with STILL INCREASING CONSEQUENCES of Chernobyl authorities did a better job of initial evacuation (evacuating at lower thresholds) than Japan so we can expect the health problems associated with early fallout exposure to be proportionally greater in Japan. Likewise Japan seems similarly disinterested in minimizing internal exposure, which is a monumentally greater threat for Japan given their closely coupled systems of agriculture and distribution AND the ONGOING SPEW from aspiring RADIOACTIVE GEYSERS.
Based on the forgoing, death and disease will eventually shadow EVERYONE within a few hundred of kilometers. Japan is sadly toast. The total radioactive toasting will be undeniable in 20-40 years.
Unlike the states where Chernobyl's legacy continues, there is no larger or former structure for Japan to rest upon. When Tokyo and the existing power elite bite the dust Japan will likely go backward in every respect, and at lighting speed.
When Rome wanted to control a new conquest/colony the fields were salted. Just think how much more effective salts of Cs-137 and Sr-90 would have been.
"Chernobyl authorities did a
"Chernobyl authorities did a better job of initial evacuation (evacuating at lower thresholds) than Japan"
Not true. The Soviets evacuated areas that were expected to exceed 100 mSv during the first year. Japan used 20 mSv.
For real dose calculation 20 mSv @ 50ft > than 100 mSv @ 5ft
The Japanese government (TEPCO/Yakuza) and the military dominated Soviet government both tossed large swaths of the population under the bus in an effort to maintain the status quo. It could be argued either way which had the best response. I would say however that the greater crime is now being committed in Japan because the example of Chernobyl precludes the claim of ignorance of the effect of exposures from a failed reactor.
For example: criterion for relocation after Chernobyl disaster: 0.350 Sv/lifetime exposure. Tokyo now has numerous locations with 5 times (and some hotspots approaching 20 times) above Chernobyl relocation threshold.
This is the beginning of a hot new business in guillotines and the beginning the end for Japanese government.
The justifiably angry Japanese people will need and soon seek justice.
deal with it
So what CAN be done to mitigate the current emissions ? What CAN be done to mitigate the future on-going or cataclysmic emissions ?
If the unthinkable happens …
If the unthinkable happens … and there is a massive hydrovolcanic explosion over there … do you think the industry shills would still be on here defending their (indefensible) industry?
good question!
yes
If the unthinkable happens …
If the unthinkable happens … and there is a massive hydrovolcanic explosion over there … do you think the shills would still be on here defending their (indefensible) industry?
Preparation
Spam filter ate my comment on preparation. Am I the only one experiencing a censor in the form of a 'spam filter' ???
Posted by BC No, the spam
Posted by BC
No, the spam filter has been murdering my posts pretty routinely for the past 10 days or so.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA. Dead forum
MUAHAHAHAHAHA. Dead forum is dead. Look's like mods busted up the occupation.