Submitted by dahender (not verified) on Mon, 2011-04-11 20:58.
Dear Sir,
This is to request both the enhancement of radiation testing AND the publishing of those test results for air, dairy products, vegetables, soil, and water on or near the West Coast of Canada and in the BC Interior & Western provinces.
Anything less than a rollout of all our associated personnel and resources to this urgent matter will be inadequate, given the severity of the Fukushima disaster, its unpredictability, and Canada's "downstream" location relative to Japan. This is even more important given the numerous atmospheric models that are showing Canada to be in a direct path of the fallout with similar concentrations to that being found in Japan. I am hearing very similar concerns being expressed by friends, fellow parents, family members, and colleagues.
I understand that you're even more busy now while you're in the throes of a Federal election, but I would be very grateful for your comments and assistance in this most extremely important and time-sensitive matter.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-12 08:55.
Please could you provide the link that shows this - 'This is even more important given the numerous atmospheric models that are showing Canada to be in a direct path of the fallout with similar concentrations to that being found in Japan.'
Thank you.
Submitted by dahender (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-12 12:21.
This is the link I had in mind when I wrote the email. Please see it at the bottom of this message.
Please also consider that the "concentrations" suggested in the video are not the actual concentrations coming from Fukushima; FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND they're a merely a prediction of how the materials will combine and flow while they move toward us.
Again, from what I understand it would be reasonable to assume the concentrations will be more dangerous when the concentrations coming over from Japan are high, and they'll be less dangerous when concentrations coming from Japan are lessened. Hope that makes sense. If someone with more experience in these matters would like to comment on this I would welcome it.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-12 12:44.
Thanks for that, I appreciate it. I had actually seen that one before and what concerns me is that the forecasts stop and don't continue to forecast after the weekend. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Submitted by dahender (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-13 20:04.
You're very welcome! Now I'm no expert by any stretch, but I'll try to help out where I can. There is a new model out for April 14 - April 18; its link to the Xenon model is below (you can access the Caesium and Iodine models from links on that page as well):
Apparently there is other fallout in addition to the Iodine, Caesium, and Xenon (i.e. Tellurium, Strontium, etc.), but there is hardley ever any disussion about them. Is there anyone here who can explain why they're not mentioned so much?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-04-08 01:07.
It is troubling that the Canadian Government does not post the test results. Apparently, there were also only 4 tests done, the testing needs to be ongoing with general locations of samples and full results posted!
Submitted by Red Mercury (not verified) on Fri, 2011-11-11 18:49.
Could be that it only took one briefcase of cash to seal a few lips? After all the Canadian's I know indicate a reasonable and thrifty lot. This could well extend to their 'folks in charge'.
The rationale to purchasing Canadian Government 'compliance' is the same rationale used to provide aegis for TEPCO's many months of lies and misinformation thus far.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2011-04-07 17:06.
We need to request test details to be published, and also additional tests to be done - Vancouver tap water, veggies, etc.
If you are concerned send them an e-mail,I just did.
amount of I-131 did not really go down, they just stopped testing.
Vancouver water supply is 100% rainwater, they refuse to test water and milk to avoid panic. It was also raining here for the last couple of weeks, and all we hear from our (Canadian) govt is "miniscule amount". Test it and prove it, after all we pay a LOT of taxes. Canada, what do you think?
Nuclear scientist Kris Starosta racked up more media hits as he began Tuesday April 5 with an interview with host Philip Till on CKNW, and was scheduled later to be on the Bill Good show on CKNW as well.
Till asked about the finding of radioactive idodine-131 in seaweed in BC.
Starosta: “It is not bad, in the sense that this is a relatively low dose, and you’d need to consume a lot of seaweed to really see an impact.
“So we estimated . . . that if you eat a kilogram of dried seaweed, this is essentially equivalent to a dental x-ray. If you eat two kilograms per day, two kilograms per day will be equivalent to the dose you are getting from natural sources, the natural dose of (background) radiation per day.
“And if you eat six kilograms of dried seaweed, that would put your exposure on the same level as a flight from New York to Los Angeles.”
Till said he wasn’t likely to eat six kilos of seaweed, but what about other food and drink?
Starosta: “We were continuously monitoring rainwater from March 14th, and since March 25th we’ve seen a constant and steady decline in the level of iodine-131. And in the past week, essentially, we’ve seen very, very low levels of iodine-131. We clearly see the signal of iodine-131 going down. And I also checked last night the rainwater sample which we’ve taken yesterday, and there was essentially no iodine-131. So it looks like the source of iodine-131 has been kept down, at least for Vancouver, for the Burnaby campus of Simon Fraser.”
The German news agency Deutsche Presse-Agentur distributed a story quoting Starosta: “"Levels of radioactive iodine-131 rose seven days after the reactor accident in Fukushima, but have dropped considerably since then". We first saw this story in the Times in Johannesburg, South Africa. It also ran across the U.S. on the McClatchy-Tribune Regional News service.
Full story: http://at.sfu.ca/vjhukk
Submitted by R. Cromack (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 13:48.
...As to whether seaweed that is being collected / processed for use in all sorts of foods, vitamin supplements, dyes, medicines, etc., is being monitored before it gets put into the food and manufacturing machine / supply? ...ANYWHERE?
Submitted by Bill (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 13:38.
At least it seems the rates in rain are coming down
but the amounts bioaccumulating in plants (seaweed in this case) seems very high.
Hard to tell what the corrleation to the Berkeley numbers and accumulation in milk are.
I am a little math challenged right now. Are the numbers MUCH higher in the samples in rain in Canada than in California?
Appreciate this story and the links, but with it accumulating in food this is not too encouraging. Even though it has lowered in new rain, the old rain has put it in everything, it seems.
Submitted by JFP (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 13:35.
Thank you UCB for all the information and efforts to inform the public.
Is it possible that some of the professionals at UCB could contact Krzysktof Starosta, the Associate Professor in Nuclear Science, to share some information for the betterment of society?
Submitted by CME (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 10:50.
This is how much Canada cares as noted on the bottom of their page.
"Please note that as of March 25, 2011, the frequency of data collection by NRCan using the mobile surveys has been decreased due to the low levels of radiation being detected. The surveys will be repeated periodically and the data table will be updated. Health Canada has a large radiation detection and monitoring network composed of over 100 stations distributed across the country in strategic locations and major population centres. The amount of radiation from Japan being detected from these monitors is minuscule and does not pose a risk to the safety of our air, water, milk or agricultural products. To view published measurements from Health Canada, please visit the Fixed Point Surveillance Network website".http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/nrcan-rncan-eng.php
Submitted by Bill (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 10:08.
plants etc.
The air samples are tiny but if you look at the French results TINY amounts in the air can translate to pretty high amounts in rain, milk and plants.
I am frustrated that the Canadians are not testing milk (they do NOT want to know or want the public to know).
WHERE are the new results for rainwater, veggies, tap water, stream water etc from Berkeley.
One observation - the good news seems to be that the consistent high peaks early on, a week or two or so after the explosions at the Fukushima plants, are consistently followed globally be gradual levelling off and reduction in detected amounts.
The BAD news is that if it rained down on you it is in the water, soil, in plants, milk, cheese (it was found in fresh goat cheese in France yesterday), and the radioodine will take several MONTHS to decay to a nondetectable amount. As for cesium it is here to stay for the rest of our lives and since everyone is going Lalalalalal about the Strontium and not testing for it that is likley here and may be here causing cancer and mutating our dna and gene pool for generations too.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-05 10:22.
I agree, I find the links that I posted above from Canada are very vague and bordering manipulate. The fact that they do not distinguish between external and internal exposure is troubling. The internal exposure from contaminated food products can be much worse, and the fact that the Canadian Government has no desire to test for contaminated food levels is very troubling to say the least.
If they are so confident, they should prove it to the public.
Then again, the Canadian government still produces and ships Asbestos to naive parts of the world, and they allow kids to work in construction demolition without the proper asbestos abatement procedures, so what does that tell us about their concern for human health?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-04-12 12:26.
None of our govt's seem to care. I am just waiting, all of a sudden we are going to get blasted, ooops....sorry people,we just realized the cumulative effect totals and guess what? Your *#$!*$@-ed!
health canada broke the
health canada broke the links. i wanted to check the fixed point data but i cant find it. anyone have new links?
Send A Letter To Your MP! Alter as Necessary Please
Dear Sir,
This is to request both the enhancement of radiation testing AND the publishing of those test results for air, dairy products, vegetables, soil, and water on or near the West Coast of Canada and in the BC Interior & Western provinces.
Anything less than a rollout of all our associated personnel and resources to this urgent matter will be inadequate, given the severity of the Fukushima disaster, its unpredictability, and Canada's "downstream" location relative to Japan. This is even more important given the numerous atmospheric models that are showing Canada to be in a direct path of the fallout with similar concentrations to that being found in Japan. I am hearing very similar concerns being expressed by friends, fellow parents, family members, and colleagues.
I understand that you're even more busy now while you're in the throes of a Federal election, but I would be very grateful for your comments and assistance in this most extremely important and time-sensitive matter.
Thank you very much in advance. Yours truly,
Please could you provide the
Please could you provide the link that shows this - 'This is even more important given the numerous atmospheric models that are showing Canada to be in a direct path of the fallout with similar concentrations to that being found in Japan.'
Thank you.
Is this just xe-133 or all
Is this just xe-133 or all types? A link yo this would be great.
Thanks in advance.
This is the link I had in
This is the link I had in mind when I wrote the email. Please see it at the bottom of this message.
Please also consider that the "concentrations" suggested in the video are not the actual concentrations coming from Fukushima; FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND they're a merely a prediction of how the materials will combine and flow while they move toward us.
Again, from what I understand it would be reasonable to assume the concentrations will be more dangerous when the concentrations coming over from Japan are high, and they'll be less dangerous when concentrations coming from Japan are lessened. Hope that makes sense. If someone with more experience in these matters would like to comment on this I would welcome it.
http://healdsburg.patch.com/articles/youtube-videos-stay-indoors-this-we...
e-to-higher-radiation-levels#youtube_video-5596220
Thanks for that, I
Thanks for that, I appreciate it. I had actually seen that one before and what concerns me is that the forecasts stop and don't continue to forecast after the weekend. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
You're very welcome! Now
You're very welcome! Now I'm no expert by any stretch, but I'll try to help out where I can. There is a new model out for April 14 - April 18; its link to the Xenon model is below (you can access the Caesium and Iodine models from links on that page as well):
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conc_Xe-133_0_;region=DMANC1
Apparently there is other fallout in addition to the Iodine, Caesium, and Xenon (i.e. Tellurium, Strontium, etc.), but there is hardley ever any disussion about them. Is there anyone here who can explain why they're not mentioned so much?
Thanks.
Here are some actual results
Here are some actual results for Canadian milk, water and rain water published today.
It would be good to hear comments on how they compare to the UCB findings. Thanks.
http://www.bccdc.ca/resourcematerials/newsandalerts/news/japanQuake.htm
It appears that they have
It appears that they have started to test Canadian milk. However, the exact levels are not documented (not that I can find anyway).
http://www.bccdc.ca/resourcematerials/newsandalerts/news/japanQuake.htm
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/imp/radrese.shtml
Test Results Not Posted
It is troubling that the Canadian Government does not post the test results. Apparently, there were also only 4 tests done, the testing needs to be ongoing with general locations of samples and full results posted!
Why the secrecy Canada?
bargain rate
Could be that it only took one briefcase of cash to seal a few lips? After all the Canadian's I know indicate a reasonable and thrifty lot. This could well extend to their 'folks in charge'.
The rationale to purchasing Canadian Government 'compliance' is the same rationale used to provide aegis for TEPCO's many months of lies and misinformation thus far.
We need to request test
We need to request test details to be published, and also additional tests to be done - Vancouver tap water, veggies, etc.
If you are concerned send them an e-mail,I just did.
Just sent one - I wish I was
Just sent one - I wish I was convinced it would help.
Replies?
Were there any replies to your e-mails?
Nothing for me either.
Nothing for me either.
Nothing. They just ignored
Nothing. They just ignored it.
Vancouver test
Direct link to SFU test:
http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/files/spring2011/PDF/rainwater.pdf
amount of I-131 did not really go down, they just stopped testing.
Vancouver water supply is 100% rainwater, they refuse to test water and milk to avoid panic. It was also raining here for the last couple of weeks, and all we hear from our (Canadian) govt is "miniscule amount". Test it and prove it, after all we pay a LOT of taxes. Canada, what do you think?
Vancouver is in Serious Trouble
Unfortunately the government was asleep at the switch or choose not to inform the public.
This New York Times article is worrisome,
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=2
This link has two interesting videos,
http://vimeo.com/22003021
From Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada
Direct Story Link
Nuclear scientist Kris Starosta racked up more media hits as he began Tuesday April 5 with an interview with host Philip Till on CKNW, and was scheduled later to be on the Bill Good show on CKNW as well.
Till asked about the finding of radioactive idodine-131 in seaweed in BC.
Starosta: “It is not bad, in the sense that this is a relatively low dose, and you’d need to consume a lot of seaweed to really see an impact.
“So we estimated . . . that if you eat a kilogram of dried seaweed, this is essentially equivalent to a dental x-ray. If you eat two kilograms per day, two kilograms per day will be equivalent to the dose you are getting from natural sources, the natural dose of (background) radiation per day.
“And if you eat six kilograms of dried seaweed, that would put your exposure on the same level as a flight from New York to Los Angeles.”
Till said he wasn’t likely to eat six kilos of seaweed, but what about other food and drink?
Starosta: “We were continuously monitoring rainwater from March 14th, and since March 25th we’ve seen a constant and steady decline in the level of iodine-131. And in the past week, essentially, we’ve seen very, very low levels of iodine-131. We clearly see the signal of iodine-131 going down. And I also checked last night the rainwater sample which we’ve taken yesterday, and there was essentially no iodine-131. So it looks like the source of iodine-131 has been kept down, at least for Vancouver, for the Burnaby campus of Simon Fraser.”
The German news agency Deutsche Presse-Agentur distributed a story quoting Starosta: “"Levels of radioactive iodine-131 rose seven days after the reactor accident in Fukushima, but have dropped considerably since then". We first saw this story in the Times in Johannesburg, South Africa. It also ran across the U.S. on the McClatchy-Tribune Regional News service.
Full story: http://at.sfu.ca/vjhukk
Vancouver Sun Article
Direct Link to Vancouver Sun Story With some Interesting Data
Anyone want to make a wager...
...As to whether seaweed that is being collected / processed for use in all sorts of foods, vitamin supplements, dyes, medicines, etc., is being monitored before it gets put into the food and manufacturing machine / supply? ...ANYWHERE?
...No, I thought not.
Rick Cromack.
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Thanks for this
At least it seems the rates in rain are coming down
but the amounts bioaccumulating in plants (seaweed in this case) seems very high.
Hard to tell what the corrleation to the Berkeley numbers and accumulation in milk are.
I am a little math challenged right now. Are the numbers MUCH higher in the samples in rain in Canada than in California?
Appreciate this story and the links, but with it accumulating in food this is not too encouraging. Even though it has lowered in new rain, the old rain has put it in everything, it seems.
Or am I overreacting?
Sharing Info?
Thank you UCB for all the information and efforts to inform the public.
Is it possible that some of the professionals at UCB could contact Krzysktof Starosta, the Associate Professor in Nuclear Science, to share some information for the betterment of society?
Email starosta@sfu.ca
This is how much Canada
This is how much Canada cares as noted on the bottom of their page.
"Please note that as of March 25, 2011, the frequency of data collection by NRCan using the mobile surveys has been decreased due to the low levels of radiation being detected. The surveys will be repeated periodically and the data table will be updated. Health Canada has a large radiation detection and monitoring network composed of over 100 stations distributed across the country in strategic locations and major population centres. The amount of radiation from Japan being detected from these monitors is minuscule and does not pose a risk to the safety of our air, water, milk or agricultural products. To view published measurements from Health Canada, please visit the Fixed Point Surveillance Network website".http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/nrcan-rncan-eng.php
Also see how the EPA is going to raise the "safe levels"
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=1325
The Canadian site is troubling (no results for milk, rainwater
plants etc.
The air samples are tiny but if you look at the French results TINY amounts in the air can translate to pretty high amounts in rain, milk and plants.
I am frustrated that the Canadians are not testing milk (they do NOT want to know or want the public to know).
WHERE are the new results for rainwater, veggies, tap water, stream water etc from Berkeley.
One observation - the good news seems to be that the consistent high peaks early on, a week or two or so after the explosions at the Fukushima plants, are consistently followed globally be gradual levelling off and reduction in detected amounts.
The BAD news is that if it rained down on you it is in the water, soil, in plants, milk, cheese (it was found in fresh goat cheese in France yesterday), and the radioodine will take several MONTHS to decay to a nondetectable amount. As for cesium it is here to stay for the rest of our lives and since everyone is going Lalalalalal about the Strontium and not testing for it that is likley here and may be here causing cancer and mutating our dna and gene pool for generations too.
"Canadian Government Does Not Care" Regarding the Links Above...
I agree, I find the links that I posted above from Canada are very vague and bordering manipulate. The fact that they do not distinguish between external and internal exposure is troubling. The internal exposure from contaminated food products can be much worse, and the fact that the Canadian Government has no desire to test for contaminated food levels is very troubling to say the least.
If they are so confident, they should prove it to the public.
Then again, the Canadian government still produces and ships Asbestos to naive parts of the world, and they allow kids to work in construction demolition without the proper asbestos abatement procedures, so what does that tell us about their concern for human health?
None of our govt's seem to
None of our govt's seem to care. I am just waiting, all of a sudden we are going to get blasted, ooops....sorry people,we just realized the cumulative effect totals and guess what? Your *#$!*$@-ed!
radioiodine is not a long
radioiodine is not a long term concern its all about cesium levels....
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/radionuclides/cesium.html