ABC San Diego: Alarming report of Fukushima fallout harming U.S. infants

http://enenews.com/abc-san-diego-alarming-report-of-u-s-infants-affected...

ABC San Diego, April 5, 2013: Two years later, the nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan may be affecting the health of young children in San Diego. [...] In a study of states in the West Coast and in the Pacific, infants born soon after the nuclear disaster were 28 percent more likely to develop congenital hypothyroidism, which can lead to stunted growth. In California, that number jumped to 39 percent. Critics say there is still no direct evidence those radiation levels can harm humans. [...]

MSN, April 5, 2013: It’s already well known how devastating the March 2011 Fukushima nuclear reactor meltdown was for Japan — dramatic spikes in radiation-related illnesses, an increase in likely cancer deaths over the next several years, and pollution which may never truly be cleaned up. A new study suggests what many worldwide have feared — that the devastation from the traveling radiation has in fact sickened infants in other countries, including babies born shortly after the incident in Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, and California. The study, conducted by scientists with the Radiation and Public Health Project, found that babies born shortly after the incident were 28 percent more likely to suffer from congenital hypothyroidism than were children born in those states during the same period one year earlier. [...]

Watch ABC’s broadcast here
http://www.10news.com/news/study-says-fallout-from-nuclear-disaster-in-f...

28% Congenital Hypothyroidism Stat

Peak divergence vs. 3% decline in 36
other states was 28%, with a 19% variation
for the course of the study.

Voici:
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=28599

That's across a rare diagnosis, but for the one it
happens to, certainly it's 100%.

I don't know that such damage warrants alarmism.

I'm from public health, depending on you (partly translating
what the experts say,) with all of us having to crowdsource
better policy, it would seem.

Maybe let me know if this needs work:
http://evernewecon.weebly.com/habitat.html#differentviewsofriskyetalleco...

Naomi Klein's physician dad's a member:
http://www.psr.org/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/21/temperature-rise-perma...
Temp Rise Limit To Avoid
Permafrost Melt

http://pages.citebite.com/m1v0i4w0u2xmw
Is A Goner, Absent Rationalization
(Faster Than Projected--That's
Still Possible--)
I Don't Think It Has To Hurt Anyone
But The Billionaires, Who Have
Enough Money Already Anyway

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline....

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/tipping_point_arctic_heads_to_ice_free_summ...

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/06/08/2109821/video-climate-arctic...
(Implies Jet Stream Disintegration)

I think we can slam down to the safest
onshore small royaltyholder based
production, nixing coal, offshore, imports.

I think we can slam down to the safest
onshore small royaltyholder based
production, nixing coal, offshore, imports.

We just don't need the war,
most the refineries,
or the storage tanks.

Slamming down quickly enough to this
gets ahead of the dire predictions.

That core of small property owners'
benefit incentivizes renewables
rollout implicitly.

There's a parallel between
doctors and carriers. Doctors can
be far more effective, and have
far more satisfying professional careers,
absent corporate intermediary centrism.
(That's not to say the latter can't play
an important role, though, actually, in
health care, the single payer crowd and
I are reverse engineering from the same
attributes (universality, effectiveness
simultaneously technologically and
money-wise.)

This is patient as platform for contracting as
like a car on a car lot.

http://www.slideshare.net/brianahier/international-federation-of-health-...

The opposite is patient centrism, along with
provider centrism.

Wherever you look the only socialism lying
around encompasses the cost and risk.

The full parallel, then, is better energy policy
is possible where reverse engineering, in a market
progressive way, just as better health care is
possible, reverse engineering in a patient centric
way. Docs can be far more effective reverse
engineering system-wise from the application of
care they can best devise, with the help of being
informed by the bed to lab, lab to bed process, and
small royaltyholders can serve a useful role instead of
being pawns, also.

And just as doctors and patients (and nurses from
their inclusion in carrier level standards setting)
would benefit from their sector centrism, royaltyholders
rightly benefit from “ultimate economic recovery”
equivalent pricing of renewables in the short term.

Though I'm not Berkeley, my website has this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfebpLfAt8g

at:
Food Day report: Minimum-wage
hike would raise food prices
pennies, help millions
Kathleen Maclay, UC Berkeley 10/24/2012

plus often in "The Box:"

http://evernewecon.weebly.com/index.html#keephealthy

Have a nice day.

Yee-haw! Another Mangano

Yee-haw!

Another Mangano special.

Diemos

GORKED KIDS

The American Thyroid Association 2009 Recommendations were NOT implemented in the USA prior to 2011. The MASSIVE radiation releases from the multiple meltdowns at the GE - TEPCO - Fukushima Daiichi commercial Nuclear Power Plant appear to have ‘GORKED’ a few USA Pacific Coast kids.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/hormonepregnantmenopause1/a/prenatalvitamin.htm

Iodine in Prenatal Vitamins

The Lack of Iodine Content, and Varying Iodine Levels, in Prenatal Vitamins

By Mary Shomon, About.com Guide - Updated March 03, 2009

Pregnant women -- and in particular, pregnant women with thyroid conditions -- need extra iodine. Iodine is necessary because it is a building block for the body's manufacture of thyroid hormone. During the first trimester of pregnancy, when a fetus is unable to produce thyroid hormone, the mother produces "thyroid hormone for two," so to speak. If she does not have enough iodine in her system, the health of her infant -- and her own health -- may suffer due to a lack of sufficient thyroid hormone.

In late 2006, the Public Health Committee of the American Thyroid Association (ATA) issued a statement in the journal Thyroid calling for all pregnant women to supplement with iodine. And the 2003–2004 National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) study found that more than 37% of women of childbearing age have urinary iodine values suggesting mild iodine deficiency.

Concerns over iodine deficiency during pregnancy and lactation (breastfeeding) have resulted in a number of organizations issuing guidelines and recommendations for iodine intake. According to the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), these are the recommended levels of daily iodine intake during pregnancy and lactation:

•Daily iodine intake of 220 µg during pregnancy and 290 µg during lactation -- The Institute of Medicine

•Daily iodine intake of 250 µg for pregnant and lactating women -- The World Health Organization

•Vitamin with iodine level of 150 µg for pregnant and lactating women -- The American Thyroid Association

Moms with radiation GORKED kids

Attention:

California moms with GORKED babies from Fukushima fallout: No KI 4 U. No Prussian Blue 4 U. ALL Clear! Don’t Panic! There is no danger. Don’t whine to us about your GORKS. We don’t want to hear it. No sense crying over spilt milk. No KI 4 U. No Prussian Blue 4 U.

Luv, hugs & kisses

Barry & Jerry

Barack Hussein Obama (AKA Barry Soetoro)
Edmund G. Brown, Jr. (AKA Jerry)

Apple State prenatal vitamins

Nuclear Downwinders

Apparently, the State of Washington is ‘getting on the stick’ to quit GORKING babies. The ‘Apple State’ has determined that it may require more than “An Apple A Day”, to keep the doctor away. Inclusion of a routine dietary supplement of KI for pregnant and nursing MOMS appears to be a well considered public policy. This is particularly the case for nuclear downwinders.

North Korea and Iran have threatened to START nuclear war against South Korea, USA, Japan, Israel and others. Perhaps the CIVILIAN populations, Hospitals & Public Health Departments in these designated TARGETS and other downwinders, should be issued precautionary dosages of KI and Prussian Blue. Other downwinders would apparently include anyone living within a 6,000 mile radius of a GE Mark 1 commercial NPP.

http://www.rx.wa.gov/documents/prenatal_vit_monograph_post.pdf

WPDP - Washington Prescription Drug Program - Administered by the Washington State Health Care Authority - A Member of the Northwest Prescription Drug Consortium - DRUG UTILIZATION REVIEW BOARD - Prenatal Vitamins Class Review - Created 2/3/2012 - Summary information provided. Consult package insert for full prescribing information. Conflict of Interest Information - This monograph contains discussion of prenatal vitamin products from the following manufacturers: …

RECOGNIZED TREATMENT GUIDELINES/THERAPY REVIEWS

• The American Thyroid Association recommends that pregnant and lactating women receive 150mcg iodine as a daily supplement.8

150mcg iodine - pregnant & nursing (2012)

“pregnant and lactating women receive 150mcg iodine”

Prenatal Vitamins Class Review Created 2/3/2012

RECOGNIZED TREATMENT GUIDELINES/THERAPY REVIEWS

http://www.rx.wa.gov/documents/prenatal_vit_monograph_post.pdf

DRUG UTILIZATION REVIEW BOARD

Prenatal Vitamins Class Review Created 2/3/2012

Summary information provided. Consult package insert for full prescribing information. Conflict of Interest Information: This monograph contains discussion of prenatal vitamin products from the following manufacturers: …

RECOGNIZED TREATMENT GUIDELINES/THERAPY REVIEWS

• The U.S. Preventative Services Task Force recommends that all women planning or capable of pregnancy take a folic acid supplement of 400mcg to 800mcg daily (0.4 to 0.8mg).5

• The Center for Disease Control (CDC) recommends that all women between ages 15 and 45 consume 400mcg (0.4mg) of folic acid daily to prevent spina bifida and anencephaly.7

• The American Thyroid Association recommends that pregnant and lactating women receive 150mcg iodine as a daily supplement.8

50/50

Office of Dietary Supplements - National Institutes of Health

“People with iodine deficiency who are exposed to radioactive iodine are especially at risk of developing thyroid cancer.”

“However, only about half the prenatal multivitamins sold in the United States contain iodine.”

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-QuickFacts/

Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Iodine

QuickFacts - What is iodine and what does it do? - Iodine is a mineral found in some foods. The body needs iodine to make thyroid hormones. These hormones control the body's metabolism and many other important functions. The body also needs thyroid hormones for proper bone and brain development during pregnancy and infancy. Getting enough iodine is important for everyone, especially infants and women who are pregnant.

How much iodine do I need? -The amount of iodine you need each day depends on your age. Average daily recommended amounts are listed below in micrograms (mcg).

To make adequate amounts of iodine available for proper fetal and infant development, several national and international groups recommend that pregnant and breastfeeding women and infants take iodine supplements. In the United States and Canada, the American Thyroid Association recommends that pregnant and breastfeeding women take prenatal vitamin/mineral supplements containing iodine (150 mcg/day). However, only about half the prenatal multivitamins sold in the United States contain iodine.

Radiation-induced thyroid cancer - Nuclear accidents can release radioactive iodine into the environment, increasing the risk of thyroid cancer in people who are exposed to the radioactive iodine, especially children. People with iodine deficiency who are exposed to radioactive iodine are especially at risk of developing thyroid cancer. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved potassium iodide as a thyroid-blocking agent to reduce the risk of thyroid cancer in radiation emergencies.

Dietary Suppliment

Interesting,

This, KI 150 micrograms, is a dietary suppliment vitamin level, similar to the dosage found in 'over the counter' vitamins the world over. During the time period following 311, the commonly prescribed and/or OTC prenatal vitamins in the USA did NOT contain KI. The ATA recommendations were ignored.

The vitamin dosage level is FAR below the anti-radiation dosage for LARGE ACUTE exposures to radio-iodine (I-131).

Similarly, the Pacific States radio-iodine (Beta & Gamma) radiation exposure level was reportedly quite low and of short duration, given the half-life of just over a week. The I-131 half-lifed at least once in transit and was dispersed over 6,000 miles of the NW Pacific Ocean before reaching the USA left coast. While the report discusses Beta and not specifically I-131, it is probably reasonable to assume that radio-iodine is the major player in the congenital hypothyroid issues.

Perhaps, timely implementation of the KI supplement in prenatal vitamins would have PREVENTED the 39% jump in California congenital hypothyroidism. Or, perhaps it would have dropped the increase to LOWER than the statistical significance level. Perhaps it would have had no effect.

PNV with KI 150 mcg - Example

PNV with Iodine (Potassium iodide) 150 mcg

This is an example, NOT medical advice or a product endorsement.

http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=93bbb992-f6b1-44a2...
http://medicalsentry.elasticbeanstalk.com/drugs/pnv-ob-dha.html
http://medlibrary.org/lib/rx/mfr/puretek-corporation/page/2/

PNV OB DHA (vitamin c, calcium, iron, vitamin d3, vitamin e, vitamin b1, vitamin b2, vitamin b3, vitamin b6, folic acid, iodine, zinc, copper, docusate sodium, docosahexaenoic acid (dha)) kit

[PureTek Corporation] Category DEA Schedule Marketing Status - HUMAN PRESCRIPTION DRUG LABEL

DESCRIPTION: PharmaPure Rx PNV OB + DHA is a prescription prenatal/postnatal multivitamin/mineral caplet and a softgel of an essential fatty acid. The prenatal vitamin is a light purple, capsule-shaped multivitamin/mineral caplet. The caplet is imprinted with the code "P-116" on one side and is blank on the other side. The essential fatty acid DHA softgel is clear and contains a pale yellow semi-solid mixture.

Each PNV OB+DHA caplet contains:

Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) 120 mg
Calcium (Calcium citrate) 125 mg
Iron (Carbonyl iron, Ferrous gluconate) 27 mg
Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) 400 IU
Vitamin E (dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate) 30 IU
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine HCl) 3 mg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 3.4 mg
Vitamin B3 (Niacinamide) 20 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCl) 20 mg
Folic Acid 1 mg
Iodine (Potassium iodide) 150 mcg
Zinc (Zinc oxide) 25 mg
Copper (Cupric oxide) 2 mg
Docusate Sodium 50 mg

Radiation related disease in Pacific States

Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California & Hawai'i (Clockwise Order)

“linked the leak of radiation to the U.S. West Coast with an increase of an endocrine disorder”

http://raisingislands.blogspot.com/2013/04/hawaii-newborn-hypothyroid-ca...

Monday, April 1, 2013 - Hawai`i newborn hypothyroid cases linked to Fukushima radiation

“There were increased concentrations of all beta-emitting radionuclides in the air during the six weeks following the beginning of Fukushima fallout. Compared to the same period a year earlier, the fallout increases were more than seven times greater in the five Pacific/West Coast States, compared to just over two times in the remainder of the US,” the paper says.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130404/did-alaska-newborns-suffe...

Now, a recent study published in the Open Journal of Pediatrics has linked the leak of radiation to the U.S. West Coast with an increase of an endocrine disorder in newborns known as congenital hypothyroidism (CH), which can cause lifelong problems like mental retardation, deafness and physical defects if untreated. Infants are tested for CH shortly after birth, along with a slew of other disorders.

http://www.radiation.org/
http://www.radiation.org/reading/pubs/HS42_1F.pdf

The Nuclear Industry and Health

AN UNEXPECTED MORTALITY INCREASE IN THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWS ARRIVAL OF THE RADIOACTIVE PLUME FROM FUKUSHIMA: IS THERE A CORRELATION?

Joseph J. Mangano and Janette D. Sherman

The INSIDE SCOOP on Chernobyl

This is the INSIDE SCOOP on the Chernobyl technical response team.

I know a Russian émigré, whose physicist relative worked in the Soviet NPP industry, circa the Chernobyl disaster. Many colleagues accepted the USSR benefits package to work AT the Chernobyl site. These included better housing, pay, vacation, travel upgrades, retirement, conferences, healthcare and the like.

Yes, the USSR used incentives to recruit the elite experts, for the Chernobyl ‘Liquidator’ squads. His/her relative was ALLOWED to decline.

Virtually ALL of the professional colleagues, and personal friends, who chose to ‘take the package’; QUICKLY lost their health. They exhibited virtually EVERY form of health malady. These ‘radiation related syndromes’ are somewhat akin to previous ‘Great Pretender’ disease conditions such as HIV, syphilis and tuberculosis. ANY signs and symtoms may present.

Virtually ALL these USSR scientific elites died quickly and miserably. The radiation health problems are much broader than Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS) and Cancer. On a scale of 0 to 10, cancer could be a 4, Fatal ARS could be a 9 and instant vaporization could be a 10. That leaves the integers 0, 1, 2, 3 … 5, 6, 7 and 8 to describe all the other maladies. Oh and 0.002, 3.14 as well as 8½ are allowed on this scale.

The USSR lied about Chernobyl. The USA is lying about 3 Mile Island and Japan is lying about Fukushima. The FACTS are simply too awful to admit.

That’s the facts Jack

Absolute Certainty

A PACK of LIES

The ELITE Soviet Technical Team DIED like dogs, from conditions that could be called:

Severe Combined Radiation Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease Syndromes - (SCRAIDS)

SCRAIDS is a lot like AIDS! Those Soviet elites knew what to do and took a lot of precautions. Still they died. Therefore, I KNOW with perfect, ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that there is a PACK of gawdamn LIARS, blogging on this subject today.

A PACK of gawdamn LIES from a PACK of gawdamn LIARS.

TTFN

Statistical JUNK!!

Contrary to the ill-informed conclusion of the poster below; the analyses of Mangano and Sherman have been discussed on this forum previously. Mangano and Sherman are anti-nuclear propagandists, and their statistical analyses are just chock full of ERRORS. Mangano and Sherman "cherry-pick" and kull their data in order to get the answers they want; which is that nuclear power is dangerous.

However, the good scientists at UC-Berkeley have pointed out this "junk science" propaganda. Radiation can harm you in two ways; "acute radiation sickness" and latent cancers. Acute radiation sickness is when you are exposed to massive amounts of radiation as from a nuclear weapon blast, and there is so much radiation that it kills cells that you need to live. A person so exposed succumbs in rather short amount of time. This is what happened to the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nobody, including those at the Fukushima plant, got the type of radiation dose one sees from a nuclear detonation.

The other way that radiation can harm is from latent cancers. However, it takes years for those latent cancers to form. If there is mortality to be seen from Fukushima radiation, it is much too early to see it now. However, Mangano and Sherman were "seeing" this mortality in the weeks immediately following the Fukushima accident. The reason they were the only ones to see it, it that they "cooked the books".

Blatant misrepresentation

'Radiation' is a broad word, encompassing ingested, inhaled and external exposure to Alpha, Beta, Gamma and/or Neutrons. Therefore: 'Radiation' effects can cover the waterfront of health ailments

Radiation can impair immune response

Radiation can cause heart damage and/or heart arrythmias

Radiation can cause sterility, spontaneous abortion, miscarriage and stillbirths, depending upon gestational age.

Radiation can cause leukemia, anemia and other blood disorders.

Radiation can kill the thyroid gland or the kidneys.

Radiation can cause surface burns.

You are an IGNORANT LIAR.

Statistical analysis

This appear to be a fairly straightforward statistical correlation of

Low Level Radiation Exposure

To

Thyroid Burnout in neonates and recently delivered kids subsequent to the exposure.

An expected effect, given that HIGHER doses are deliberately given to burnout thyroids in adults, with ~ 100% effectiveness. Kids are generally 1 to ~ 4 orders of magnitude more susceptable than adults to drugs, alcohol & radionuclides.

Not sure on what basis that the math ILLITERATES, Rude Dog & Diemo object. The objection is likely 'feelings', as neither of them ever passed a probability and statistics class; much less a calculus based physics course of study.

TTFN

http://www.drugs.com/pro/sodi

http://www.drugs.com/pro/sodium-iodide-i-131.html

Dose to "burn out" thyroid cancer:
3.7-5.5 billion Bq

Dose to treat hypothyroidism:
0.14-0.37 billionBq

Typical west coast exposure:
0.00000002 billion Bq

Diemos

'Typical Exposure' - The I-131 DAMAGE is DONE.

The 'Typical Exposure' rate, for Total Beta, in California, according to the study, was ~7X, if memory serves.

Probably, the more interesting figure would be the I-131 dosage, for pregnant & lactating women in KNOWN radioactive HOTSPOTS such as the Cascades. Some of the California HOTSPOTS for I-131 may NEVER be directly PROVEN.

Weather Statistics for Spring-2011 and Statistical meta-studies (AKA meta-analysis) may be some of the better tools to INFER the other I-131 HOTSPOTS.

Then some sleuthing of the Gorked (congenital hypothyroidism) Infants may later nail down the I-131 exposures of the pregnant & lactating moms. Dietary information may identify which women were likely to have been Iodine Deficient during the critical fetal/infant developmental periods.

The STARTING POINT is Big Populations and small increases in radiation related syndromes. Then the individual cases can be reviewed more carefully.

The I-131 DAMAGE is DONE.

The next Fukushima Beta radiation related syndrome to evaluate is CARDIAC FUNCTION changes and CARDIAC DAMAGE due to Cs-137/134. California would appear to be the BEST AVAILABLE focal point for the USA, based upon the radioiodine effects identified by M&S in the above cited study.

TTFN

And LESS than a 100% Thyroid Burnout Rate

Medicinal dosages are for GUARANTEED ~100% thyroid burnout.

Sub-therapeutic dosages of medicines OFTEN have some effects upon the most susceptible.

YAWN

Just MORE EVIDENCE which AGAIN fails to discredit the Linear No Threshold model.

That is a toned-down version of evidence FOR the LNT model.

TTFN

No SAFE dosage

There does not appear to be a safe dose.

Risk appears to go all the way to zero.

The more you get, the worse your odds

WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!

The above poster parrots the oft quoted saying of the anti-nuclear activists:There does not appear to be a safe dose.Risk appears to go all the way to zero.

This is NOT what good scientists are currently saying. From research at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab published recently in the prestigious journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science:

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2011/12/20/low-dose-radiation/

“Our data show that at lower doses of ionizing radiation, DNA repair mechanisms work much better than at higher doses,” says Mina Bissell, a world-renowned breast cancer researcher with Berkeley Lab’s Life Sciences Division. “This non-linear DNA damage response casts doubt on the general assumption that any amount of ionizing radiation is harmful and additive.”

The "no safe level" contention IGNORES the action of the radiation-damage DNA repair mechanism. Read the referenced paper, Bissell and her colleagues have time-resolved "movies" of the DNA repair mechanism in operation whereas earlier research only had "snapshots". Read the referenced paper for a good education how radiation actually affects biological systems.

Rapid-Fire Rude Dog Lies

The Rapid-Fire Lies of the TROLL - Rude Dog - have become a fixture on this blog.

The post above, titled 'WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!', is the Rude Dog.

Rude Dog is: as dumb as a bucket of rocks, utterly ignorant of ALL subjects technical, misrepresents himself as a retired physics professor, a mathematics illiterate and a PATHOLOGIC liar on ALL subjects.

The Rude Dog can be expected to insert himself into subjects which are FAR out of his paygrade.

The Rude Dog is a 'groupie' for the commercial NPP industry. Nobody would EVER be stupid enough to HIRE the Rude Dog.

The Rude Dog is ALWAYS utterly useless.

TTFN

Unconvincing

I've been observing your contentious battle with Rude Dog for some time. One thing that you frequently do is rather silly, and frankly intellectually weak. The above interchange demonstrates the point. Evidently you don't realize that in the post above Rude Dog is not opining on the effectiveness of the DNA repair mechanism. He is merely reporting. The authenticity of the claims about the effectiveness of the DNA repair mechanism don't hinge on Rude Dog's expertise, but rather on the expertise of the subject of the report, Mina Bissell, who is according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, an internationally recognized expert in the field. Rude Dog's expertise is not in question; it is the expertise of Mina Bissell and Lawrence Berkeley National Lab that counts. You may not agree with what Rude Dog has posted and wish to contest it. However, in order to prevail, you have to demonstrate that you are as good or better an authority on the subject as is Mina Bissell. Are you an internationally recognized expert? Or you have to find another expert that is as qualified as Mina Bissell to refute her statements. Until you do, Rude Dog has you trumped.

Rude Dog - Diemos - Leslie Corrice - Hormesis Society

Hi,

Rude Dog is a legend, in his own mind.

TTFN

Conveniently Timed

Sounds like guess work or a pre-canned press release

We hypothesize that, double strand breaks ... will rapidly cluster

a single RIF may reflect a center

Is this study 'leading anywhere'

Just ASKING

Explanation

Evidently you don't understand the significance of what Dr. Costes is saying. Dr. Costes is explaining how radiation damage can result in cancers. If the radiation is intense enough, there will be clusters of damaged DNA at the repair centers, and not single defects. The multiplicity of damaged DNA means that broken strands can be assembled wrong by the repair mechanism. That repair error is what may lead to a cancer. It's ironic, since a damaged DNA molecule may lead to the death of the cell because that DNA is damaged. However, the loss of a single cell, or even a bunch of cells isn't going to cause the death of the organism. However, in attempting to repair the damage, the DNA repair mechanism may make an error in reattaching the ends of the damaged DNA chains. The resultant mutated DNA may encode for a cancer, and that cancer can lead to the death of the organism.

Short on Evidence

We can read the prose.

The prose is kinda 'IFFY'.

And there just doesn't appear to be much evidence to SUPPORT the prose. '

There is no 'THERE', there.

TTFN

Press Release

The prose reads a LOT like a pre-canned, throw-away GE Press Release

No Data Provided. No follow-up. No reviews provided. Here one minute, perhaps gone the next. It says virtually NOTHING concrete; so there is nothing to retract. What's to say? Who's to say?

Looks like 'FLUFF' at 1st glance.

TTFN

You read the press release; NOT the paper!

Of course what you read sounds like a press release without data; that's because you only read the press release.

Read the PAPER published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. That DOES have the data.

NO DATA Provided

Secret Data:

Typical of the Pro-Nuke group to refer to 'HIDDEN Data' and mystery studies to support their wobbly, little theories. The National Academy has been inappropriately 'taking sides' and publishing inequitably, of late. This appears to rise to the level of, De Facto Non-Disclosure of DATA and methods

Oh, & we are STILL patiently waiting for the CNTBO to release their Fukushima Data.

In the MEAN TIME, we'll just SHUT DOWN ALL these gawdamn nukes for a few millenia or so. Perhaps SCIENCE will re-emerge in the not-too-distant ... future.

The Pro-Nuke group will NOT be missed any more than the anti-scientific Jesuit censors of the middle ages. Luddites emerge in the STRANGEST places.

TSK TSK

CNTBO?????

It's NOT the CNTBO; it's the CTBTO - Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization.

The CTBTO HAS RELEASED their data. In fact, CTBTO hosted a CONFERENCE for those that were using their data:

http://www.ctbto.org/verification-regime/the-11-march-japan-disaster/one...

This Conference was held beginning March 9, 2012; over a year ago.

Evidently, you MISSED the conference. You must not have been trying too hard to get the information / data from CTBTO. Everyone else seems to have gotten the information. Look at all the organizations that were users of the CTBTO data; IAEA, UNESCO, UNSCEAR, WHO, WMO...

You do realize that you have to get the information. They don't just e-mail it to you without a request.

Much of the data was published by national authorities:

http://www.ctbto.org/verification-regime/the-11-march-japan-disaster/

Radiation data from CTBTO was also published online in the journal Nature starting on 17 March 2011, less than a week after the accident.

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110317/full/news.2011.168.html

The information was released and available. The anti-nukes just don't know about it, because they would rather carp and complain that the data was being kept "secret".

Some "secret".

Internet Spelling Police

We LONG ago awarded Rude Dog, the title of 'Internet Spelling Police'

The Game is not on, the Game is Over for Team Nuke, who are as unscientific as the LUDDITES and Jeusits. WRT to these late, little, dribble disclosures ... LMAOROF.

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110317/full/news.2011.168.html

Now, at least one CTBTO member state, Austria, intends to make some of the data public in the form of summary reports and forecasts of global radiation spread.

Nature has also learned that initial CTBTO data suggest that a large meltdown at the Fukushima power plant has not yet occurred, although that assessment may change as more data flow in during the coming days. Lars-Erik De Geer, research director of the Swedish Defence Research Institute in Stockholm, which has access to the CTBTO data and uses it to provide the foreign ministry and other Swedish government departments with analyses, says that the data show high amounts of volatile radioactive isotopes, such as iodine and caesium, as well the noble gas xenon. But so far, the data show no high levels of the less volatile elements such as zirconium and barium that would signal that a large meltdown had taken place — elements that were released during the 1986 reactor explosion in Chernobyl in the Ukraine.

Why stop there...

Why stop there? Why not also post the next paragraph:

Rather, the data sit well, he says, with a scenario wherein the main release of radioactivity has come from the release of excess pressure in the containment vessels of affected reactors, and the subsequent explosion of the evacuated hydrogen-laden steam within the reactor buildings. The radioactive plume will spread around the hemisphere within weeks, he predicts, but the levels of radioactivity outside Japan will not be dangerous. The levels in Japan itself, outside the immediate vicinity of the Fukushima power plant, "wouldn't scare me", he adds.

Laughing too hard

Oh I was just LAUGHING too hard to continue

100% PURE DRIVEL

A taller pile of manure can seldom be located so far from a BARN.

The attempt rather obviously did not work, but we will award an E for Effort.

TTFN

Amazing what amuses some people...

YOU quoted the first paragraph of the two cited. I merely posted the very next paragraph in the same paper.

You quote the first paragraph here because you evidently thought it important. However, the very next paragraph, for some reason you find funny.

Why is that?

It is NOT data

All 3 paragraphs are useless drivel.

Somebody is ABOUT TO release sumthin

Sumboddy else is FIXIN Tuh publish ... a smidgin, maybe

SUMBUDDy might give a partial release

Utterly Rediculous, ludicrous ... gawdam silly

TTFN

The data was released!!

The data was released. You didn't get a copy??

An eminent engineer that can out-engineer Siemens wasn't included on the distribution????

How strange!!

Of course it's not strange. This forum's resident IDIOT is a scientist wanna be.

He doesn't even know elementary differential calculus as proved by the fact that he didn't recognize the symbol for a derivative and thought it was a fraction with a quantity called "dt" in the denominator.

He's shown he doesn't understand the coupled spectrum of Planckian or thermal radiation; instead "thinking" all frequencies are independent.

This MORON has shown a rather INFANTILE acumen in the areas of science and math; and he has the temerity to "think" that CTBTO would send him their data?

You talk about something that makes one laugh...

Pending Release of DATA

Construe unfavorably

Pending the International Fukushima DATA-DUMP, we shall simply construe the circumstances in their MOST UNFAVORABLE fashion.

Does NOT look good, for NPP continued operation.

TTFN

JUNK Science!!!

Again the media has fallen "hook, line, and sinker" for another "junk science" piece from Mangano, and the anti-nukes.

The purveyor of this "study" has produced fraudulent studies like this in the past. His techniques weren't even clever, like when he averaged the statistical data over unequal intervals of 4 weeks and 10 weeks before / after the Fukushima accident in order to "prove" his preconceived conclusion. The statistician at the publication that published his "study" was suspicious and totally discredited his "study". That incident was extensive discussed here:

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/peer-reviewed-study-increased-infa...

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4726

Anyone that has followed this forum knows that, although BRAWM detected radioactivity from Fukushima, the level was thousands of times weaker than the natural background radiation that each of us gets daily. If this weak level of radiation exposure can cause a marked increase in cancers, then why aren't we getting cancers right and left from the radiation that Mother Nature subjects us to?

The radiation levels from Fukushima here on the California coast were much less than what one receives flying in an airliner. If radiation exposure is so potent as to cause cancers immediately following Fukushima, then how come those of us who have flown recently in airliners are not discovering that we have recent cancers.

The only troubling thing here is that there are actually people STUPID enough to believe CRAP like this and / or are so intellectually DISHONEST as to use JUNK like this in order to support their preconceived, ill-founded notions concerning the use of nuclear power.

Revisionist at work

Those that have followed this forum have seen rainwater tested that was several hundred times the EPA standards for I-131 in drinking water.

It is inherently dishonest to compare the cosmic radiation exposure of flying in an aircraft to ingested radiation exposure. It is not an apples for apples comparison, it is a generality.

Furthermore, it takes years for cancers to manifest, in addition, from an early age people are advised to not engage in activities that increase radiation exposures ie solar, microwave, RF, to name a few. Only an idiot would suntan until blistered, stick his head in a microwave oven or climb a radio broadcast tower. So why not be concerned with elemental radiation exposure?

What is the justification in promoting excessive radiation exposure of any kind?

Somewhere Between

Excellent question!

In my humble opinion, the answer lies somewhere between:

"In for a penny, In for a pound"

&

"The banality of evil"

...

The former are trapped and the latter 'LIKE IT'.

It is a working model.

Math MORONS

Shhheeesh, what a friggin MORON!

How does a totally MATH ILLITERATE moron 'have the STONES' to even comment on statistical studies?

Regression analysis, correlation, power & all the rest are totally OVER your paygrade.

Rude Dog & Diemos appear to have FLUNKED basic junior high math.

TTFN

It's not just Diemos and Rude Dog..

Evidently, you haven't been reading this forum very long. The fraudulent science of Mangano and Sherman has been previously discussed. It isn't just Diemos and Rude Dog that have pointed out the "cherry picking" and dishonesty of Mangano and Sherman; it was the statistician from the journal in which they published. Sprey; who also pointed out the CHEATING(Scroll down about half way):

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/17/definitely-bachmann-over-weiner/

We asked Pierre Sprey, CounterPunch’s statistical consultant, to take a look for us at Sherman and Mangano’s piece and their use of the CDC figures. ...One of the CounterPunch critics pointed out that using four weeks before and ten weeks afterwards “looked like cherry-picking the data.” To overcome this potential bias, Sprey collated the death numbers for the ten week period before, then did the calculations comparing infant deaths for ten weeks before and ten weeks afterwards for the same eight cities. His result was a statistically insignificant difference in deaths per week before and after an increase of infant deaths of only 2.4 per cent...

The 4 week vs 10 week averaging is a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS form of "cherry picking". In fact, Mangano and Sherman have become a "black eye" for the anti-nuclear activists.

However, just as there are people like Mangano and Sherman that are so intellectually dishonest so as to concoct this propaganda, there are others who demonstrate that they are just as intellectually dishonest by defending Mangano and Sherman.

We have a clear example of that, right here.

Points Nowhere

Clarify!

Your counterpunch link points to NOTHING related to this discussion.

Nor do the June 2011 archives of Counterpunch appear to have any bearing.

Clarify!

You might want to scroll down

You might want to scroll down a little bit until you find this sentence: "Post-Fukushima Infant Deaths in the Pacific Northwest"

Is THIS what you're Talking About?

The Dangerous Myths of Fukushima

Exposing the "No Harm" Mantra

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/09/the-dangerous-myths-of-fukushima/

Weekend Edition March 9-11, 2012

Exposing the "No Harm" Mantra

The Dangerous Myths of Fukushima

by JOSEPH MANGANO and JANETTE SHERMAN

The myth that Fukushima radiation levels were too low to harm humans persists, a year after the meltdown. ... In their haste to choke off all consideration of harm from Fukushima radiation, nuclear plant owners and their willing dupes in the scientific community built a castle against invaders – those open-minded researchers who would first conduct objective research BEFORE rushing to judgment. The pro-nuclear chants of “no harm” and “no studies needed” are intended to be permanent, as part of damage control created by a dangerous technology that has produced yet another catastrophe.

But just one year after Fukushima, the “no harm” mantra is now being crowded by evidence – evidence to the contrary.

>Is THIS what you're Talking

>Is THIS what you're Talking About?

Not really. I was talking about the article on the previous link, in which Counterpunch analyzed Sherman & Mangano's previous study and considered their results "statistically insignificant," but go ahead if you want to bring up another article by the same two guys.

How many times does a Mangano

How many times does a Mangano study have to be discredited before he stops getting press?

Diemos

Know Nothing - Math Morons such as Diemos

Math Morons

See previous comment titled 'Math MORONS'

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/abc-san-diego-alarming-report-fuku...

'How many times' will totally MATH ILLITERATE morons, such as DIEMOS and Rude Dog, exhibit the unmitigated GALL, to even comment on statistical studies?

TTFN

Disgusting!

Disgusting. Too bad KGTV in San Diego doesn't vet their news stories better. How is the public going to be informed and make informed decisions when a TV news station affiliated with a major network puts their "stamp of approval" on such a propaganda piece masquerading as a scientific study?

TV news isn't there to inform

TV news isn't there to inform or educate you.

It's there to deliver your eyeballs to advertisers.

So we get, "Is Fukushima radiation causing mutant chicken babies on the West Coast? Tune in at 11 and find out!" sensationalist crap.

Diemos